Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Classic & Vintage
Reload this Page >

Aligning a Fork. Who's done it?

Search
Notices
Classic & Vintage This forum is to discuss the many aspects of classic and vintage bicycles, including musclebikes, lightweights, middleweights, hi-wheelers, bone-shakers, safety bikes and much more.

Aligning a Fork. Who's done it?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 03-29-20, 11:28 AM
  #26  
Doug Fattic 
framebuilder
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Niles, Michigan
Posts: 1,471
Mentioned: 50 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 615 Post(s)
Liked 1,916 Times in 656 Posts
Originally Posted by noglider
There are three measurements that matter. 1. If the two blades are off to one side, that's the easiest to fix, and I have done it successfully.

2. The rakes must be the same. This is the distance forward of the plane formed by the steerer tube. This is harder to get right.

3. The length of the blades must be the same. Sometimes when correcting the rake of one blade (2), you alter the length. This is why I've found fork alignment to be so tricky. When you fix (2) or (3), you worsen the other.
Agree and I would add this fourth measurement using dropout alignment tools to make sure the dropout faces are parallel to each other. It is necessary to go through the other steps 1st because it is possible that the cups match but that the fork is still not in alignment. It is a bit tricky to get all 4 right because as Tom says when you move one it changes another. It is necessary to clear all 4 checks before the fork is really right. Some other observations:

1. I never use a bending assistance tool (except gloves) because I get a better feel for how much to move. It is really easy to over bend. The reality is that a blade won't seem to budge with moderate force and then suddenly with just a little more effort, it gives way and moves a lot.

2. Don't assume any fork or frame was aligned within a millimeter of straight when it was new. The "no hands" test is effected by the frame's alignment too. The best aligned steel frames to come into my shop for painting where Japanese frames, followed by Italian frames after frame making equipment from companies like Bike Machinery became more common (mid to late 80's?). The classic era British frames can often be way out (although a few were spot on).

3. How much a customer noticed the ride improved after an alignment varied on the person. I've aligned hundreds of frames and often asked the owners if they could tell the difference. Some said a lot of difference and some said they couldn't tell at all. I think some are just more sensitive to how their frame feels.

4. Park dropout alignment tools are not accurate enough for me and I recommend to my framebuilding class students not to buy them. The reason is that instead of using washer like spacers for different dropout widths, the cups are threaded to their handles and the slop in the threads are too much variance for me.

5. There should be a little space between the cups otherwise the dropouts might catch on the axle nuts.
Doug Fattic is offline  
Old 03-29-20, 11:34 AM
  #27  
noglider 
aka Tom Reingold
 
noglider's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: New York, NY, and High Falls, NY, USA
Posts: 40,506

Bikes: 1962 Rudge Sports, 1971 Raleigh Super Course, 1971 Raleigh Pro Track, 1974 Raleigh International, 1975 Viscount Fixie, 1982 McLean, 1996 Lemond (Ti), 2002 Burley Zydeco tandem

Mentioned: 511 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 7351 Post(s)
Liked 2,478 Times in 1,439 Posts
4. @Doug Fattic, thanks. I left out the dropouts. I have the Park tool, which is unusual for a non-professional mechanic, but I use them a fair bit working on my bikes and my friends' bikes. Interesting point about the misalignment possible. If I ever need to buy another set, I'll get a kind that is not subject to that problem. DIY ones might work. I remember using the Campagnolo ones, and they did feel more precise but also less versatile, i.e. fitting fewer sizes.
__________________
Tom Reingold, tom@noglider.com
New York City and High Falls, NY
Blogs: The Experienced Cyclist; noglider's ride blog

“When man invented the bicycle he reached the peak of his attainments.” — Elizabeth West, US author

Please email me rather than PM'ing me. Thanks.
noglider is offline  
Old 03-29-20, 12:29 PM
  #28  
Doug Fattic 
framebuilder
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Niles, Michigan
Posts: 1,471
Mentioned: 50 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 615 Post(s)
Liked 1,916 Times in 656 Posts
Originally Posted by noglider
4. @Doug Fattic, thanks. I left out the dropouts. I have the Park tool, which is unusual for a non-professional mechanic, but I use them a fair bit working on my bikes and my friends' bikes. Interesting point about the misalignment possible. If I ever need to buy another set, I'll get a kind that is not subject to that problem. DIY ones might work. I remember using the Campagnolo ones, and they did feel more precise but also less versatile, i.e. fitting fewer sizes.
I shouldn't sound too snobbish about framebuilding tools. I do expect both myself and my students to make frames to the highest standards so good tools can really help. We use the Park tools in our workshop in Ukraine where we both make frames and assemble them into bicycles. Park donates a certain amount of tools to charities and back 15 years ago I applied and was given BB taps and fork crown reamer and a few other of their goodies. Of course I was extremely grateful for their gift and try to support them as much as possible. Here is a picture of part of our framebuilding tools wall that includes their dropout alignment tools.
Doug Fattic is offline  
Likes For Doug Fattic:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.