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These are the shorts I have been buying. Just as good as the $80-$100 shorts you find out there.
https://www.amazon.com/SANTIC-Cyclin...tic&th=1&psc=1
I don't wear bib shorts, but here are some that are reasonable. If they wear out. You can buy 4 of them for the price price of what the LBS is charging.
https://www.amazon.com/Lameda-Padded...b+shorts&psc=1
https://www.amazon.com/Baleaf-Mens-P...ing+bib+shorts
Basically just type in the item you are interested in and see what pops up.
https://www.amazon.com/SANTIC-Cyclin...tic&th=1&psc=1
I don't wear bib shorts, but here are some that are reasonable. If they wear out. You can buy 4 of them for the price price of what the LBS is charging.
https://www.amazon.com/Lameda-Padded...b+shorts&psc=1
https://www.amazon.com/Baleaf-Mens-P...ing+bib+shorts
Basically just type in the item you are interested in and see what pops up.
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These are the shorts I have been buying. Just as good as the $80-$100 shorts you find out there.
https://www.amazon.com/SANTIC-Cyclin...tic&th=1&psc=1
I don't wear bib shorts, but here are some that are reasonable. If they wear out. You can buy 4 of them for the price price of what the LBS is charging.
https://www.amazon.com/SANTIC-Cyclin...tic&th=1&psc=1
I don't wear bib shorts, but here are some that are reasonable. If they wear out. You can buy 4 of them for the price price of what the LBS is charging.
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You are an elitist who has been brainwashed by Madison Avenue Industrial Complex into thinking that you must part with your money in return for overpriced crap! For what Rapha sells for $100 you could get something ten times better on Alibaba $0.69 
P.S. I have a Rapha base layer that has be wondering how I ever lived without it.
P.S. I have a Rapha base layer that has be wondering how I ever lived without it.
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02-06-17, 04:00 PM
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Rapha has the best marketing by far. I can't think of anything else that even comes close.
02-06-17, 05:15 PM
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I'm 5'10" and 155. I've found that it one piece of apparel fits well from a brand, most of their stuff will. If not, nothing will fit.
Good stuff:
Sportful is extremely well made and fits me perfectly, it's the winner. Ain't cheap, though.
Gore Bike Wear makes terrific winter jackets
Bioracer and Giordana are both also awesome but can be somewhat hard to source. You used to be able to find Giordana everywhere.
I have one jersey from Maap I love.
Voler Black Label is excellent
Descente used to be my favorite but they pulled most of their distribution from the US about ten years ago. Extremely high quality, Japanese made stuff that fit perfectly, lasted forever and didn't cost much.
Rapha and Assos? Great but I'm not worth it.
Ok stuff:
Castelli fits me perfectly but isn't extremely well made, their top end stuff is really nice (and really expensive). We had our kit made by their custom shop and it is awesome but fragile.
Pearl Izumi PRO is extremely well made but doesn't really fit me perfectly
Performance stuff is surprisingly well made but sized to fit someone roughly with about 50% more volume than me. If they'd do an actual race fit, they'd be a good bargain option.
Garneau is extremely variable in quality and fit, their top end stuff is excellent though.
Bontrager's stuff is really well made but is too loose on me generally.
Sucks:
Most anything cheap and Chinese. Falls apart. Weird fitting. I gave up on this route. It makes sense to spend good money on cycling apparel, IMO.
Good stuff:
Sportful is extremely well made and fits me perfectly, it's the winner. Ain't cheap, though.
Gore Bike Wear makes terrific winter jackets
Bioracer and Giordana are both also awesome but can be somewhat hard to source. You used to be able to find Giordana everywhere.
I have one jersey from Maap I love.
Voler Black Label is excellent
Descente used to be my favorite but they pulled most of their distribution from the US about ten years ago. Extremely high quality, Japanese made stuff that fit perfectly, lasted forever and didn't cost much.
Rapha and Assos? Great but I'm not worth it.
Ok stuff:
Castelli fits me perfectly but isn't extremely well made, their top end stuff is really nice (and really expensive). We had our kit made by their custom shop and it is awesome but fragile.
Pearl Izumi PRO is extremely well made but doesn't really fit me perfectly
Performance stuff is surprisingly well made but sized to fit someone roughly with about 50% more volume than me. If they'd do an actual race fit, they'd be a good bargain option.
Garneau is extremely variable in quality and fit, their top end stuff is excellent though.
Bontrager's stuff is really well made but is too loose on me generally.
Sucks:
Most anything cheap and Chinese. Falls apart. Weird fitting. I gave up on this route. It makes sense to spend good money on cycling apparel, IMO.
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02-06-17, 07:50 PM
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I'm very satisfied with Pearl Izumi. Good quality, reasonably priced considering how well made the stuff is. And Louis Garneau items are often on sale for deep discounts and are outstanding bargains on sale (I have LG jerseys, summer weight gloves and a couple other items). And I'm very impressed with the quality and value of AeroTech, although I don't wear their tight fitting shorts often. I don't need the padding since my saddles are padded. And because most of my rides include social gatherings, visiting friends who aren't cyclists, museums and art galleries, I prefer casual shorts over tight fitting manly bulge shorts.
I'd consider most of my handful of Pearl Izumi items to be essentials for my riding comfort:
Notably the "minerale" fabric sleeveless base layer. Incredibly comfortable year 'round, so much so that I wear it in summer under nicer shirts while cycling so I don't get soggy perspiration marks. And it's my always-wear item for cool and cold weather cycling. Best wicking fabric I've ever worn, including some merino wool items.
The PI Canyon shorts are terrific, especially at the $25 sale price I got last year. Comfortable, great attention to detail in stitching and tailoring, mesh liner, etc. Well worth the full retail price, and a steal on sale. Durable too. I took a hard fall on pavement this week and can't find any damage to the shorts -- although it was remarkably smooth pavement and even my thin Champion long sleeve jersey was barely scuffed, no holes worn through.
And we have a PI outlet store, so occasionally I can snag an item for the same price as any online retailer, or even less. In November I bought a Select Barrier ultra-thin windbreaker from the local PI outlet shop for $30, while online I couldn't find one for less than $40-$50 (the one I bought may have been a second, but I couldn't find any flaws). Easily one of the best bits of cycling apparel I've owned. I've even loaned it to other cyclists who didn't dress warmly enough for our nighttime group rides.
It's incredibly effective despite being so thin. I've worn it over a baselayer longsleeve jersey and Nike Dri-Fit hoodie for rides in 20F weather and was actually sweating after 30 minutes or so on gravel and no-road rides in open fields. With just a longsleeve thin jersey for wicking it's still comfortable in the 60s. Adjusting the front zipper flows air through to the rear pocket, which is lined with mesh fabric, so it doesn't feel like wearing plastic food wrap. Packs down into its own rear pocket, so I can stuff it into a jersey pocket, or a small Lowepro lens bag that I use as a handlebar bag, or in a ziplock sandwich bag under a cargo net on my rear rack to keep it clean on the gravel trails.
The mid-2000s era Pearl Izumi arm warmers more ordinary, no better or worse than others. The newer PI arm warmers are better, but I paid only $10 for the old style PI arm warmers at the outlet store. They're comfortable and warm, but newer fabrics are thinner, warmer and wick well enough to be useful even in warmer weather for sun protection. Nashbar's own knee warmers are better than the mid-2000s era of Pearl Izumi warmers, but PI has improved their products significantly since then and are much nicer than Nashbar, Garneau and other lower priced apparel.
I'd consider most of my handful of Pearl Izumi items to be essentials for my riding comfort:
- Sleeveless Transfer base layer undershirt using "minerale" fabric
- Canyon baggy plaid shorts
- Select Barrier windbreaker
Notably the "minerale" fabric sleeveless base layer. Incredibly comfortable year 'round, so much so that I wear it in summer under nicer shirts while cycling so I don't get soggy perspiration marks. And it's my always-wear item for cool and cold weather cycling. Best wicking fabric I've ever worn, including some merino wool items.
The PI Canyon shorts are terrific, especially at the $25 sale price I got last year. Comfortable, great attention to detail in stitching and tailoring, mesh liner, etc. Well worth the full retail price, and a steal on sale. Durable too. I took a hard fall on pavement this week and can't find any damage to the shorts -- although it was remarkably smooth pavement and even my thin Champion long sleeve jersey was barely scuffed, no holes worn through.
And we have a PI outlet store, so occasionally I can snag an item for the same price as any online retailer, or even less. In November I bought a Select Barrier ultra-thin windbreaker from the local PI outlet shop for $30, while online I couldn't find one for less than $40-$50 (the one I bought may have been a second, but I couldn't find any flaws). Easily one of the best bits of cycling apparel I've owned. I've even loaned it to other cyclists who didn't dress warmly enough for our nighttime group rides.
It's incredibly effective despite being so thin. I've worn it over a baselayer longsleeve jersey and Nike Dri-Fit hoodie for rides in 20F weather and was actually sweating after 30 minutes or so on gravel and no-road rides in open fields. With just a longsleeve thin jersey for wicking it's still comfortable in the 60s. Adjusting the front zipper flows air through to the rear pocket, which is lined with mesh fabric, so it doesn't feel like wearing plastic food wrap. Packs down into its own rear pocket, so I can stuff it into a jersey pocket, or a small Lowepro lens bag that I use as a handlebar bag, or in a ziplock sandwich bag under a cargo net on my rear rack to keep it clean on the gravel trails.
The mid-2000s era Pearl Izumi arm warmers more ordinary, no better or worse than others. The newer PI arm warmers are better, but I paid only $10 for the old style PI arm warmers at the outlet store. They're comfortable and warm, but newer fabrics are thinner, warmer and wick well enough to be useful even in warmer weather for sun protection. Nashbar's own knee warmers are better than the mid-2000s era of Pearl Izumi warmers, but PI has improved their products significantly since then and are much nicer than Nashbar, Garneau and other lower priced apparel.
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Was staying with the GF and her parents' house in Avalon. (Rode down there from Philly for a week.) Rode to Cape May, took the ferry to Lewes, DE and then rode the Rehoboth, DE for lunch. The GF was wearing a pair of LG shorts so the cousin struck up a conversation with us.
On the way back a group do dolphins swan straight to the boat before submerging before getting run over. They like to play like that.
It's a nice little trip, even if you just get the ferry from Cape May and ride to Rehoboth. You can get there from Lewes almost entirely on trails, including some in Cape Henlopen State Park. The non-trail parts use mostly roads with wide bike lanes.
On the way back a group do dolphins swan straight to the boat before submerging before getting run over. They like to play like that.
It's a nice little trip, even if you just get the ferry from Cape May and ride to Rehoboth. You can get there from Lewes almost entirely on trails, including some in Cape Henlopen State Park. The non-trail parts use mostly roads with wide bike lanes.
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I'm very satisfied with Pearl Izumi. Good quality, reasonably priced considering how well made the stuff is. And Louis Garneau items are often on sale for deep discounts and are outstanding bargains on sale (I have LG jerseys, summer weight gloves and a couple other items). And I'm very impressed with the quality and value of AeroTech, although I don't wear their tight fitting shorts often. I don't need the padding since my saddles are padded. And because most of my rides include social gatherings, visiting friends who aren't cyclists, museums and art galleries, I prefer casual shorts over tight fitting manly bulge shorts.
I'd consider most of my handful of Pearl Izumi items to be essentials for my riding comfort:
Notably the "minerale" fabric sleeveless base layer. Incredibly comfortable year 'round, so much so that I wear it in summer under nicer shirts while cycling so I don't get soggy perspiration marks. And it's my always-wear item for cool and cold weather cycling. Best wicking fabric I've ever worn, including some merino wool items.
The PI Canyon shorts are terrific, especially at the $25 sale price I got last year. Comfortable, great attention to detail in stitching and tailoring, mesh liner, etc. Well worth the full retail price, and a steal on sale. Durable too. I took a hard fall on pavement this week and can't find any damage to the shorts -- although it was remarkably smooth pavement and even my thin Champion long sleeve jersey was barely scuffed, no holes worn through.
And we have a PI outlet store, so occasionally I can snag an item for the same price as any online retailer, or even less. In November I bought a Select Barrier ultra-thin windbreaker from the local PI outlet shop for $30, while online I couldn't find one for less than $40-$50 (the one I bought may have been a second, but I couldn't find any flaws). Easily one of the best bits of cycling apparel I've owned. I've even loaned it to other cyclists who didn't dress warmly enough for our nighttime group rides.
It's incredibly effective despite being so thin. I've worn it over a baselayer longsleeve jersey and Nike Dri-Fit hoodie for rides in 20F weather and was actually sweating after 30 minutes or so on gravel and no-road rides in open fields. With just a longsleeve thin jersey for wicking it's still comfortable in the 60s. Adjusting the front zipper flows air through to the rear pocket, which is lined with mesh fabric, so it doesn't feel like wearing plastic food wrap. Packs down into its own rear pocket, so I can stuff it into a jersey pocket, or a small Lowepro lens bag that I use as a handlebar bag, or in a ziplock sandwich bag under a cargo net on my rear rack to keep it clean on the gravel trails.
The mid-2000s era Pearl Izumi arm warmers more ordinary, no better or worse than others. The newer PI arm warmers are better, but I paid only $10 for the old style PI arm warmers at the outlet store. They're comfortable and warm, but newer fabrics are thinner, warmer and wick well enough to be useful even in warmer weather for sun protection. Nashbar's own knee warmers are better than the mid-2000s era of Pearl Izumi warmers, but PI has improved their products significantly since then and are much nicer than Nashbar, Garneau and other lower priced apparel.
I'd consider most of my handful of Pearl Izumi items to be essentials for my riding comfort:
- Sleeveless Transfer base layer undershirt using "minerale" fabric
- Canyon baggy plaid shorts
- Select Barrier windbreaker
Notably the "minerale" fabric sleeveless base layer. Incredibly comfortable year 'round, so much so that I wear it in summer under nicer shirts while cycling so I don't get soggy perspiration marks. And it's my always-wear item for cool and cold weather cycling. Best wicking fabric I've ever worn, including some merino wool items.
The PI Canyon shorts are terrific, especially at the $25 sale price I got last year. Comfortable, great attention to detail in stitching and tailoring, mesh liner, etc. Well worth the full retail price, and a steal on sale. Durable too. I took a hard fall on pavement this week and can't find any damage to the shorts -- although it was remarkably smooth pavement and even my thin Champion long sleeve jersey was barely scuffed, no holes worn through.
And we have a PI outlet store, so occasionally I can snag an item for the same price as any online retailer, or even less. In November I bought a Select Barrier ultra-thin windbreaker from the local PI outlet shop for $30, while online I couldn't find one for less than $40-$50 (the one I bought may have been a second, but I couldn't find any flaws). Easily one of the best bits of cycling apparel I've owned. I've even loaned it to other cyclists who didn't dress warmly enough for our nighttime group rides.
It's incredibly effective despite being so thin. I've worn it over a baselayer longsleeve jersey and Nike Dri-Fit hoodie for rides in 20F weather and was actually sweating after 30 minutes or so on gravel and no-road rides in open fields. With just a longsleeve thin jersey for wicking it's still comfortable in the 60s. Adjusting the front zipper flows air through to the rear pocket, which is lined with mesh fabric, so it doesn't feel like wearing plastic food wrap. Packs down into its own rear pocket, so I can stuff it into a jersey pocket, or a small Lowepro lens bag that I use as a handlebar bag, or in a ziplock sandwich bag under a cargo net on my rear rack to keep it clean on the gravel trails.
The mid-2000s era Pearl Izumi arm warmers more ordinary, no better or worse than others. The newer PI arm warmers are better, but I paid only $10 for the old style PI arm warmers at the outlet store. They're comfortable and warm, but newer fabrics are thinner, warmer and wick well enough to be useful even in warmer weather for sun protection. Nashbar's own knee warmers are better than the mid-2000s era of Pearl Izumi warmers, but PI has improved their products significantly since then and are much nicer than Nashbar, Garneau and other lower priced apparel.
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Not all of NJ is crappy. Seen two years ago on a ride in Hunterdon County, NJ, one of the wealthiest counties in the entire U.S. of A. (A few years ago it was No. 4 two years in a row.)
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No one wearing Castelli?
I have one Twin Six jersey. It is a workhorse and I seem to wear it quite often. They could be a great brand if they grew up, stop pandering to the 20-something hardcore crowd with references to satanism and 666, and produced some understated designs like their Forever Forward jersey.
Morvelo is feast and famine. They can produce a fantastic product with a sublime design and then turn around and produce the most horrific product with garish graphics the very next day. The Hemisphere Gilet is an amazing garment and their Thermoactive Long Sleeve Jersey is another one of my workhorses, amazing value when on sale. I have not tried their bottoms, only their tops, and only buy when on sale.
Assos continues to be an enigma to me. I still wear my 12 year old jerseys and 10 year old bibs but I can't figure out the names of their products. The older I get the less I'm interested in skin tight clothing anyway.
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I have one Twin Six jersey. It is a workhorse and I seem to wear it quite often. They could be a great brand if they grew up, stop pandering to the 20-something hardcore crowd with references to satanism and 666, and produced some understated designs like their Forever Forward jersey.
Morvelo is feast and famine. They can produce a fantastic product with a sublime design and then turn around and produce the most horrific product with garish graphics the very next day. The Hemisphere Gilet is an amazing garment and their Thermoactive Long Sleeve Jersey is another one of my workhorses, amazing value when on sale. I have not tried their bottoms, only their tops, and only buy when on sale.
Assos continues to be an enigma to me. I still wear my 12 year old jerseys and 10 year old bibs but I can't figure out the names of their products. The older I get the less I'm interested in skin tight clothing anyway.
-Tim-
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Good points about Pearl Izumi fit. I prefer casual fitting apparel and I'm not fast enough to benefit from the reduced wind resistance of form fitting clothing.
My cycling clothing from Pearl Izumi, Garneau and Nike Dri-Fit hoodie feel pretty snug to me, but in photos and videos taken by friends on group rides I can see my clothes aren't really form fitting. They're just a casual good fit.
But if I rode a road bike with drops and could consistently maintain a pace faster than 16 mph I'd probably want more form fitting duds. Even on a still, calm day around 15-16 mph seems to be the point at which I can feel the effects of casual fitting clothing, the more upright handlebars I'm comfortable with, etc.
My cycling clothing from Pearl Izumi, Garneau and Nike Dri-Fit hoodie feel pretty snug to me, but in photos and videos taken by friends on group rides I can see my clothes aren't really form fitting. They're just a casual good fit.
But if I rode a road bike with drops and could consistently maintain a pace faster than 16 mph I'd probably want more form fitting duds. Even on a still, calm day around 15-16 mph seems to be the point at which I can feel the effects of casual fitting clothing, the more upright handlebars I'm comfortable with, etc.
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Remember the RU student that was killed up north by a bear? Honestly, northern NJ and Southern NJ are completely different.
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No one wearing Castelli?
I have one Twin Six jersey. It is a workhorse and I seem to wear it quite often. They could be a great brand if they grew up, stop pandering to the 20-something hardcore crowd with references to satanism and 666, and produced some understated designs like their Forever Forward jersey.
Morvelo is feast and famine. They can produce a fantastic product with a sublime design and then turn around and produce the most horrific product with garish graphics the very next day. The Hemisphere Gilet is an amazing garment and their Thermoactive Long Sleeve Jersey is another one of my workhorses, amazing value when on sale. I have not tried their bottoms, only their tops, and only buy when on sale.
Assos continues to be an enigma to me. I still wear my 12 year old jerseys and 10 year old bibs but I can't figure out the names of their products. The older I get the less I'm interested in skin tight clothing anyway.
-Tim-
I have one Twin Six jersey. It is a workhorse and I seem to wear it quite often. They could be a great brand if they grew up, stop pandering to the 20-something hardcore crowd with references to satanism and 666, and produced some understated designs like their Forever Forward jersey.
Morvelo is feast and famine. They can produce a fantastic product with a sublime design and then turn around and produce the most horrific product with garish graphics the very next day. The Hemisphere Gilet is an amazing garment and their Thermoactive Long Sleeve Jersey is another one of my workhorses, amazing value when on sale. I have not tried their bottoms, only their tops, and only buy when on sale.
Assos continues to be an enigma to me. I still wear my 12 year old jerseys and 10 year old bibs but I can't figure out the names of their products. The older I get the less I'm interested in skin tight clothing anyway.
-Tim-
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IMO, nothing will make going on a century ride in the middle of the summer in near triple digit temps with 98% humidity "ideal", except waking up and finding out it was only a bad dream.
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I ordered a new Rapha short sleeve base layer this morning as my original one got attacked by moths. It was only $85 deal. Good deal. Awesome product.
02-07-17, 01:40 PM
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I just bought a couple of Louis Garneau Jersey (one yellow, one black) at £22.49. I think it sells in the US for $99.00.
This is my first jersey so I cannot compare it, but I wore it today in 5c (41f) with a Craft extreme base layer, a t-shirt and a shirt underneath, and I was very comfortable. I like it.
This is my first jersey so I cannot compare it, but I wore it today in 5c (41f) with a Craft extreme base layer, a t-shirt and a shirt underneath, and I was very comfortable. I like it.
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Dang! It must be at least one size up if you fit three things under it and it still felt comfortable.
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sorry, I meant comfortable as in - not cold. It's a tight fit but not too tight - the material is quite stretchable. I tried the size large which was a bit looser but the sleeves were a bit too long.
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Appropriate apparel/equipment for the activity seems to be key; wearing high priced so-called "kit" apparel hardly seems "ideal" for the casual bicycling done by a large segment of bicyclists (recreational rides in the park, relatively short rides to school or work or visit a friend, shopping etc.). Levi's and a t-shirt are probably more ideal apparel for those bicyclists not interested in efficiency and speed über alles
IMO, nothing will make going on a century ride in the middle of the summer in near triple digit temps with 98% humidity "ideal", except waking up and finding out it was only a bad dream.
IMO, nothing will make going on a century ride in the middle of the summer in near triple digit temps with 98% humidity "ideal", except waking up and finding out it was only a bad dream.
Most of the kits you see today are not the best for the job. Most are in fact, overpriced, high lycra content junk.
Most manufacturers are not willing to invest the time and money it takes to develop patterns so that a garment fits properly. They purchase cheap patterns off the shelf and instead rely on the stretch of high lycra content fabrics for proper fit. The problem is that lycra isn't the best material for every application and is a very poor material for many types of riding, especially hot/humid as you describe.
Patterning the garment correctly means that a manufacturer does not have to rely on stretchy lycra for fit but can choose the correct material for the job - stretchwoven, knit, doubleweaves, coatings, etc. Few actually do this.
7Mesh, Arc'teryx and Vulpine's Hoy prodocts are examples of some companies which invest in proper patterning and don't just throw overpriced lycra at consumers. Assos and Castelli to a lesser extent but better than some.
-Tim-
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02-07-17, 03:20 PM
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Aero Tech Designs for winter clothing: wind-proof jackets and thermal tights. They make bike clothing in tall sizes, which is hard to find.
Anything Pearl Izumi. I like Pearl Izumi relaxed-fit bike jerseys and I've had great success with PI mountain bike shoes that I use for my clipless set up on my road bikes. LLBean also makes awesome relaxed-fit bike jerseys for rail trail riding with the mountain bike.
Anything Pearl Izumi. I like Pearl Izumi relaxed-fit bike jerseys and I've had great success with PI mountain bike shoes that I use for my clipless set up on my road bikes. LLBean also makes awesome relaxed-fit bike jerseys for rail trail riding with the mountain bike.
02-07-17, 03:28 PM
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Who the hell tries on bike clothes anymore? If I have learned one thing from Bikeforums it's that if you didn't order it on line you got ripped off my some evil brick & mortar retailer who just wants to **** your wallet.
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All the cursing doesn't do anything. I don't like it. It is childish.