Can you feel the hate?
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There is a world of difference between alleged "public threats" directed at cyclists (or any other group) by the numerous wingnuts who comment"/rant on social media sites that are designed to encourage such electronic frothing, and actual physical threats and menacing gestures made in person on the street where actual physical contact is possible.
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I don't read any of the social media or articles that are described. I have an older-looking bike to go with me, an older-looking fellow, and in our neighborhood and surrounding areas, I notice that people's behavior tends to be pretty polite. If ... they ... see ... me. But I try to ride the same way I drive which is not too far from 100% belief that drivers are out to hit me and behave accordingly.
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We are the other. Ten motorists roll through a stop sign and motorists think those are just bad drivers. One cyclist rolls through the stop sign, and motorists think the cyclist is demonstrating the lawlessness of all cyclists. As the other, we are freeloading rule breaking drags on society.
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I am avoiding responding but I like your answer. I was reading through a recent post last night and the responses were really pissing me off and I started typing my response but stopped because I knew that would lead down the hole you mention above and really piss me off.
Turned the tablet off and went to bed.
Turned the tablet off and went to bed.
You're not going to win, or even get some semblance of your point across, because "it's hard to have a battle of wits with an unarmed man (or person)". You made a great choice in your actions.
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The really big issue is that, even if you provide an answer or comment that *you* feel is logical and exudes common sense, someone will find a way to pervert and twist what you wrote and use it as a reason to diss you.
You're not going to win, or even get some semblance of your point across, because "it's hard to have a battle of wits with an unarmed man (or person)". You made a great choice in your actions.
You're not going to win, or even get some semblance of your point across, because "it's hard to have a battle of wits with an unarmed man (or person)". You made a great choice in your actions.
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Because the internet is so good at knowing what my interests are based on all my browsing history, I am receiving more news articles related to local biking news. This year has had a big impact on cycling with everyone home and getting involved by buying, fixing and riding bikes and it seems some of my communities are responding by committing to more bike infrastructure to help cyclists out. My nearest city has committed to an extra 40 km’s in bike lanes throughout the downtown core for 2021.
What I find shocking is the backlash against these changes by the pro car/anti cyclist people. Any time I see a news article on social media, the comments section is hundreds of post long with people for or against and a lot of hatred between the two. It really disturbs me to see what some of these anti cyclist people say about this and almost scares me to be on the road knowing some of these people really want to prove their point?
Some of ongoing issues are cyclists should be licensed, they should pay extra taxes for these changes to bike lanes, they shouldn’t be allowed on certain roads or that they should grow up and stop riding bikes! Really?
I drive a car and I ride a bike so I pay taxes and appreciate both for what they are. I will admit there are some cyclists who are bad apples and give us all a bad name, but guess what – the same goes for drivers! Cyclists usually don’t kill people when they get in an accident!
Anyone else noticing this dividing issue or am I just more sensitive to it now in this COVID year?
What I find shocking is the backlash against these changes by the pro car/anti cyclist people. Any time I see a news article on social media, the comments section is hundreds of post long with people for or against and a lot of hatred between the two. It really disturbs me to see what some of these anti cyclist people say about this and almost scares me to be on the road knowing some of these people really want to prove their point?
Some of ongoing issues are cyclists should be licensed, they should pay extra taxes for these changes to bike lanes, they shouldn’t be allowed on certain roads or that they should grow up and stop riding bikes! Really?
I drive a car and I ride a bike so I pay taxes and appreciate both for what they are. I will admit there are some cyclists who are bad apples and give us all a bad name, but guess what – the same goes for drivers! Cyclists usually don’t kill people when they get in an accident!
Anyone else noticing this dividing issue or am I just more sensitive to it now in this COVID year?
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That's because American culture is deeply intertwined with the automobile. I lived in DTLA for a while and there was a deep anti cycling hate.
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Haven’t had any issues for 3 years. Perhaps they are taking pity on an old guy.
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Yesterday was a new one. Waiting far back at an intersection red, a gentleman rolled down his passenger window to tell me he would be turning right once the light turns green.
I thanked him for the heads up and we went on our way. no problem, no hate today.
I thanked him for the heads up and we went on our way. no problem, no hate today.
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Passing the the Live Oak Cyn/Santiago Cyn T in the OC Sunday, a man waiting at the stop sign in his SUV yelled at me to shove my front blinking light up my @@@. I just grinned and shook my head. Road rage at a blinking light, what's next?
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Rectal aside, you know he saw it.
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In my region the big problem is most roads that you want to ride on do NOT have a shoulder, so you are affecting traffic mostly on hills, and drivers do not like to be delayed even a few seconds. They are often aggressive, rude and don't understand that we are unprotected and vulnerable. I have had cars and trucks pass me with inches to spare. It seems they are purposely trying to scare me sometimes to teach me a lesson. That lesson being don't ride your bike around here.
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It is all because people seem to be getting more entitled, self centered and egotistical. If you are doing something they dont do or like, you are scum.
Karma is great tho. For years I have had really good friends give me basically hell for riding my bikes. Now that I am 82 and one of the oldest in the group, I am in better health than almost all of them. So far I have held my tongue and have said nothing about the fact that biking has kept me quite heathy. My good health is maybe due in part to good genes, but I really do think continuing to ride contributes a good part to it. Again-------------- if you set you rust.
Karma is great tho. For years I have had really good friends give me basically hell for riding my bikes. Now that I am 82 and one of the oldest in the group, I am in better health than almost all of them. So far I have held my tongue and have said nothing about the fact that biking has kept me quite heathy. My good health is maybe due in part to good genes, but I really do think continuing to ride contributes a good part to it. Again-------------- if you set you rust.
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Not at all.
On all social media platforms here in the north Jersey area, cyclists and motorists get along amazingly well.
Each group offers a ton of support and helpful advice every time something is posted and I have yet to see even one negative response in thousands of posts.
On all social media platforms here in the north Jersey area, cyclists and motorists get along amazingly well.
Each group offers a ton of support and helpful advice every time something is posted and I have yet to see even one negative response in thousands of posts.
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Because cyclists who wear 100% cyclist specific clothing tend to be jerks and ride dangerously on the road.
That is my experience where I live. It may not be true elsewhere.
I don't wear any cycling-specific item, including my footwear and helmet. Whenever I pass someone with 100% cycling specific clothing, they will really try hard to chase me even if the traffic does not permit it safely. They ride like it's a video game, cutting off cars just to get a pass at me.
I've even seen some (clubbies) racing each other without regards to traffic. It's even worse if advanced club members are riding together.
That is my experience where I live. It may not be true elsewhere.
I don't wear any cycling-specific item, including my footwear and helmet. Whenever I pass someone with 100% cycling specific clothing, they will really try hard to chase me even if the traffic does not permit it safely. They ride like it's a video game, cutting off cars just to get a pass at me.
I've even seen some (clubbies) racing each other without regards to traffic. It's even worse if advanced club members are riding together.
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I am a member of 2 road clubs, one with 500 members and the other is around 120 members. Virtually all of these people wear cycling clothing and the vast majority of them are not jerks and only a few ride dangerously. The ones I ride with are friendly, welcoming, and they even stop at red lights.
The riders I have encountered on the road. including some pros, have been friendly, willing to chat, and it's rare I get any feelings of negativity from them. Sure, there are dufuses in every part of society but road cyclists have mostly been a positive experience for me in over 35 years of club and group riding.
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One loudmouth jerkwad who used to ride with us was a bent rider. You don't have to be a roadie to be a jerk.
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So, the clothes you wear make you act a certain way? I'm feeling the hate, lol...
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I rather doubt that women feel the same way, but one nice thing about being in shape and wearing road kit is that I get the occasional whistle from the sidewalk or rolled down window. Yeah, this is a Navy town, but still. No hate there.
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LOL...now THAT’S the kind of driver response we need more of!
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In my region the big problem is most roads that you want to ride on do NOT have a shoulder, so you are affecting traffic mostly on hills, and drivers do not like to be delayed even a few seconds. They are often aggressive, rude and don't understand that we are unprotected and vulnerable. I have had cars and trucks pass me with inches to spare. It seems they are purposely trying to scare me sometimes to teach me a lesson. That lesson being don't ride your bike around here.
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I just resumed riding this year after a 25 year break (medical issue). I guess things are different here in California, the drivers have mostly been really nice. At least once a week I'll be waiting at a stop sign, one foot on the ground, and cars - with no stop sign - stop for me. People passing me and turning right look out for me. It wasn't like this in the 1900s. Riding in Pittsburgh PA in the 70s was pretty scary.
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The downtown core where I live did a lot of construction recently to improve the infrastructure which then required them to re-pave the roads. I like what they did but wondering how this will go over with motorists in summer at prime cycling season? This road goes around Lake Ontario (hence the name Lakeshore Road) and is very popular on the weekends for cyclists and motorists alike.
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I am old enough that all this reminds me of Dogpatch and Al Capp. He invented the group known as S.W.I.N.E. Students Wildly Indignant about Nearly Everything.