Bike Multi Tool
03-01-20, 12:33 AM
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A serious question
I want something that uses a proper JIS screwdriver. Really if they made a lightweight version of the CrankBros M10 with a JIS screwdriver and ti tools that would be fine by me. Though the tool from Spurcycle is nice (minus the lack of JIS) and is certainly easier to use in tighter to reach bolts. Loosing the small bits would suck and isn't hard to do but I do like the weight and size of it.
03-01-20, 05:50 AM
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Japan Industrial \Standard---just a little different than the Phillips head angles and proportions the rest of the world uses, because they had to steal the design and "improve" it.
Just like other JIS parts, English pretty much swaps straight across, or close enough to get the job done.
Just like other JIS parts, English pretty much swaps straight across, or close enough to get the job done.
03-01-20, 09:32 AM
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I do understand you can work on limit screw and not cam it out with a Phillips if you are careful but as someone who strives to be a professional in the industry I want to use the proper tool. If you can have a tool that is designed for one screw and works better on another why the need for a Phillips screwdriver? I will admit yes the Phillips is easier to find but if you buy a quality tool you won't need to replace it often so heavy availability isn't as needed. However now with Park Tool's DSD-2 you can get one quite easily in the U.S. if you cannot find Vessel.
03-01-20, 09:49 AM
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With so many multi-tools already, you have to ask yourself what feature or benefit can you provide that isn't already available? If you can't come up with an answer then you should reconsider whether this is the type of product you want to invent.
One thing that might be nice is a configurable tool. One that allows you to remove bits that you don't need or add optional ones that the average person wouldn't.
One thing that might be nice is a configurable tool. One that allows you to remove bits that you don't need or add optional ones that the average person wouldn't.
03-01-20, 11:30 AM
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Japanese Industrial Standard. It is a crosspoint screwdriver that is a bit more precise than Phillips so you are less likely to cam out a screw. Shimano derailleurs use JIS screws and having a proper and precise tool to work on them I think is quite important.
I do understand you can work on limit screw and not cam it out with a Phillips if you are careful but as someone who strives to be a professional in the industry I want to use the proper tool. If you can have a tool that is designed for one screw and works better on another why the need for a Phillips screwdriver? I will admit yes the Phillips is easier to find but if you buy a quality tool you won't need to replace it often so heavy availability isn't as needed. However now with Park Tool's DSD-2 you can get one quite easily in the U.S. if you cannot find Vessel.
I do understand you can work on limit screw and not cam it out with a Phillips if you are careful but as someone who strives to be a professional in the industry I want to use the proper tool. If you can have a tool that is designed for one screw and works better on another why the need for a Phillips screwdriver? I will admit yes the Phillips is easier to find but if you buy a quality tool you won't need to replace it often so heavy availability isn't as needed. However now with Park Tool's DSD-2 you can get one quite easily in the U.S. if you cannot find Vessel.
03-01-20, 12:47 PM
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You could do that, it does solve that issue. I am fine with the JIS screwdriver because I can use it all over the house and on my derailleurs and don't have to swap bolts out. There are things that do use a crosspoint screw so might as well have something to fix it.
03-01-20, 01:00 PM
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https://www.crankbrothers.com/products/m19
Tough to improve on these two options. So I start here and go from there with your improvements?
All seriousness- an aluminum case would be nice, like what the f15 uses. it would help reduce rusting on the tool, keep it from opening up when stored in a wedge bag, and take up.
Tough to improve on these two options. So I start here and go from there with your improvements?
All seriousness- an aluminum case would be nice, like what the f15 uses. it would help reduce rusting on the tool, keep it from opening up when stored in a wedge bag, and take up.
03-01-20, 01:16 PM
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Different bikes have different tool needs. If you make one for all of them, it will be big and bulky with a lot of unnecessary tools on it for any single bike.
I like the idea of a 1/4" bit holder with a tube that holds the bits. The buyer would load the tube with bits that are specific for their bike and leave the rest home. That would cover hex keys, torx, various sockets, phillips and flat tip tools.
I like the idea of a 1/4" bit holder with a tube that holds the bits. The buyer would load the tube with bits that are specific for their bike and leave the rest home. That would cover hex keys, torx, various sockets, phillips and flat tip tools.
03-01-20, 08:45 PM
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