how to ride my fastest metric century
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It's not that hard to believe. It depends on LT. If LT is a high proportion of max heart rate, it makes sense he could hold 189 for 20mins with a max of 196. I hold 168 for a 20min interval and my max is 178. On the other hand, holding your max heart rate for 20mins would be near impossible. I can hold 178 for 1 to 2 mins depending on my level of fatigue.
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It's not that hard to believe. It depends on LT. If LT is a high proportion of max heart rate, it makes sense he could hold 189 for 20mins with a max of 196. I hold 168 for a 20min interval and my max is 178. On the other hand, holding your max heart rate for 20mins would be near impossible. I can hold 178 for 1 to 2 mins depending on my level of fatigue.
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Incorrect. It is very hard to believe. I am not saying it isn't true. I am just saying I would love to actually see the file! I can hold 180bpm for quite some time but my max is out over 200. It would be quite cool to see a file of someone who can hold 189bpm for 20 mins with a max below 200!!
I'm a mutant / hummingbird. My max HR is 204 and my HR at LT is 186 (based on 4.0mm of lactic acid in my blood). I also barely produce lactic acid; even while maintaining an HR of over 200 while trying to make myself puke I was only spitting out 7.3 mm of lactic acid.
While 189 for 20 minutes wouldn't be a lot of fun, I can (and have) done it.
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I've also had such an experience [while running a 5k]. Averaged 190 bpm over the course of 20 minutes or so, hitting 201 at one point.
If I ran a 5k today, however, there's no way my heart rates would be so high. I was in a relatively detrained state, and max heart rate typically goes down slightly with intense training.
-bullseye
If I ran a 5k today, however, there's no way my heart rates would be so high. I was in a relatively detrained state, and max heart rate typically goes down slightly with intense training.
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It's theoretically possible that my MaxHR is higher than 196 but during lab testing, VO2Max intervals, and several races last season where I took off on a solo flyer and had every incentive to go as hard has I possibly could to hold off a charging field, I have only briefly touched 196 a few times at the total exhaustion point. Here's another example from one of those races. BTW, the lower power in the middle of the graph is where I was caught by two guys. You can see my HR drop slightly as we played a bit of cat and mouse. After that it's a steady increase in power and HR until the sprint finish.
Hope that helps
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This thread should be shellaced (sp?) to a fine block of oak and mounted to the wall as an example of the perfect BF thread. It starts with a simple question of how best to turn a charity ride into a race and within 30 posts or so there are accusations of lies followed by the ultimate proof - a power file! Fred's of the world unite!
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Are you just trolling the racing forum looking for a reaction?
Chill out and have fun riding your bike with others while doing a good deed and raising $$ for a charity. Going into a ride such as this thinking about it as a race makes YOU a danger to others. Typical charity rides have folks who have never riden their bike before, families on hybrid bikes with tagalongs, etc. Some fred coming along hammering in his drops and yelling to the other riders to get out of the way, weaving through charity ride participants, etc. is a hazard and detracts from enjoyment of those who are out riding their bike and trying to raise some $$ for what is probably a very worthy cause.
Also - refusing to pull ... on a charity ride!?!?!? Again, I hope you're just trolling in the racing forum for reaction.
If you want to race, then get a license and register for a race.
Chill out and have fun riding your bike with others while doing a good deed and raising $$ for a charity. Going into a ride such as this thinking about it as a race makes YOU a danger to others. Typical charity rides have folks who have never riden their bike before, families on hybrid bikes with tagalongs, etc. Some fred coming along hammering in his drops and yelling to the other riders to get out of the way, weaving through charity ride participants, etc. is a hazard and detracts from enjoyment of those who are out riding their bike and trying to raise some $$ for what is probably a very worthy cause.
Also - refusing to pull ... on a charity ride!?!?!? Again, I hope you're just trolling in the racing forum for reaction.
If you want to race, then get a license and register for a race.
Can't wait for the OP's Race.....errrr...."Charity Ride" Report. Especially the part where he mentions giving the white-haired lady on a hybrid "The LOOK".
Bob
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barf... lol.
I guess I don't ride hard enough - I back off before I barf.
non-vomitus,
cdr
I guess I don't ride hard enough - I back off before I barf.
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Incorrect. It is very hard to believe. I am not saying it isn't true. I am just saying I would love to actually see the file! I can hold 180bpm for quite some time but my max is out over 200. It would be quite cool to see a file of someone who can hold 189bpm for 20 mins with a max below 200!!
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It's theoretically possible that my MaxHR is higher than 196 but during lab testing, VO2Max intervals, and several races last season where I took off on a solo flyer and had every incentive to go as hard has I possibly could to hold off a charging field, I have only briefly touched 196 a few times at the total exhaustion point.
Yes this definitely helps Steve. I concur that you you can hold 190bpm but your max is NOT 196 IMO.
However holding 275w at 189bpm is just plain embaressing... (clearly you had a s$%thouse day at the office)
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Holding 190 with a max estimated down around 195 is quite another thing IMO. It's something I haven't come across much before and is quite interesting to look at. Particularly his rate of recovery when power falls away. He seems to rev higher but take longer to pull his HR back than other athletes I have seen.
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So, basically, you can think whatever the hell you want, dude. My max HR is 196. You're right about the 275watts at 190 bpm being suck city, though. In addition to the fact that it was my first time on the TT bike in several months, I was clearly not feeling well that day which would potentially account for the unusually high heart rate as well as poor recovery. As a point of comparison, my on-the-road 20-minute tests typically average only 180-185 bpm at around 330-340 watts.
--Steve
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