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Should a high quality very costly bike be based upon ability? Not cash in hand?

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Old 06-14-13, 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by RT
I disagree with the broadness of your assertion. Take a look at the mechanics forum - you don't see the same hand-wringing and snark in there that you do in here. Wrenching is also a hobby, and I do not think the term 'most' applies, at least not in my world.
Every hobby I've engaged in, there has always been enthusiatic newbs that bought expensive equipment they didn't know how to use. More experineced people in the hobby tend to think these people are rather silly, although most people tend to keep it to themselves.

Applying the mechanic's example, I'd bet that many experienced mechanics would get a chuckle out of someone who decided to spend tens of thousands of dollars outfitting a shop if that person had never turned a wrench, and didn't know an alan bolt from a phillips head screw.

YMMV.
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
every hobby i've engaged in, there has always been enthusiatic newbs that bought expensive equipment they didn't know how to use. More experineced people in the hobby tend to think these people are rather silly, although most people tend to keep it to themselves.

Applying the mechanic's example, i'd bet that many experienced mechanics would get a chuckle out of someone who decided to spend tens of thousands of dollars outfitting a shop if that person had never turned a wrench, and didn't know an alan bolt from a phillips head screw.

Ymmv.
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Originally Posted by shelbyfv
This is about the third trolling thread OP has started in the last few days. Go away.
If the OP generates a conversation and others appear to want to partake is it really trolling??? Perhaps you can educate us all on what & how to post an interesting and educational and fun post. I'll wait.....
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Originally Posted by thehammerdog
If the OP generates a conversation and others appear to want to partake is it really trolling??? Perhaps you can educate us all on what & how to post an interesting and educational and fun post. I'll wait.....
Step 1 is to come up with a topic that hasn't already been beat to an unrecognizable pulp countless times before. Try that.
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Cycling in Syria...that's not beat up yet is it?
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
Obviously, people are free to spend their own money any way they want.

That said it does make sense for newbies to put in some time, and work their way up, before making major expenditures. Not because they dont' "deserve" a nice bike, but it's a good idea to take some time and figure out what you actually need and want.
Yes, when I bought my Specialized Allez last year April, I basically thought there were only three types of bikes: hybrid, mountain, and road. I had been riding a hybrid and knew that I wanted one of them bikes with the droopy handlebars to ride on the road but other than that had no clue. Now riding it for over a year, ok, so I'm still clueless, but learning more about how I like to ride and what I really want, e.g. I recently un-flipped my stem and am going to replace one of my chainrings.

It would be really foolish for someone just getting interested in road cycling to drop $5,000 on a bike that they'll realize in a few months doesn't fit their needs, but hey, if they've got the money to spend.
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Originally Posted by svtmike
Step 1 is to come up with a topic that hasn't already been beat to an unrecognizable pulp countless times before. Try that.
You first! Clearly there is a limited amount of topics that are conversation worthy in the world of cycling.

Would it be better to just bring back zombie threads? Should the forum just consist of a dozen or so several hundred page threads that no one reads the content of because they're too long? New forum readers, like myself, aren't tired of some of these topics yet.
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Originally Posted by RPK79
You first! Clearly there is a limited amount of topics that are conversation worthy in the world of cycling.

Would it be better to just bring back zombie threads? Should the forum just consist of a dozen or so several hundred page threads that no one reads the content of because they're too long? New forum readers, like myself, aren't tired of some of these topics yet.
I don't start threads unless there's something I want to discuss, after searching for previous discussions. So don't look for me to start a lot of threads.

OP sometimes starts three threads a day, with very tired subject matter. It only adds to the noise level here.
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
Because you're paying a substantial amount of money to finance the unnecessary purchase of a depreciating asset.

You'll likely end up in a situation where the debt exceeds the value of the bike for a number of years, depending on how you finance it. If you dont have the cash for such a discretionary purchase, it makes little sense to incur that financial risk.

"Compound interest is the eighth wonder of the world. He who understands it, earns it ... he who doesn't ... pays it"
I agree with you, but the same is true of cars as well, average new car purchased in the USA is now over $30k, i don't know ANYONE who buys 'em for cash.

I think its silly to buy 'toys' on credit. however, there are instances where it is a good idea IF you are a responsible user of credit. like if they are offering 0% for 12 months. rarely though do people pay it off prior to getting charged with interest though. those that do are using it wisely.

some people with low means view finances on a monthly cash flow point of view with little regard to long term financial health. and often the reason so many people have a ton of recurring $5-10 monthly charges (ugh, don't get me started on that stuff!!)
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Originally Posted by tagaproject6
Cycling in Syria...that's not beat up yet is it?
If I cycle in Syria, will the Chemical exposure make me test positive for PED's?
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Originally Posted by RT
Because we do not agree does not make either one of us right. We also do not share the same hobbies, although we apparently have one in common. Merely stating my experience.

...and we've had this conversation before.
I don't think "we've"ever had a conversation before, and if so it certainly wasn't this one.
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
Every hobby I've engaged in, there has always been enthusiatic newbs that bought expensive equipment they didn't know how to use. More experineced people in the hobby tend to think these people are rather silly, although most people tend to keep it to themselves.

Applying the mechanic's example, I'd bet that many experienced mechanics would get a chuckle out of someone who decided to spend tens of thousands of dollars outfitting a shop if that person had never turned a wrench, and didn't know an alan bolt from a phillips head screw.

YMMV.
one thing I've learned over the years is this. generally speaking, if you buy crap equipment you are often gonna have a crap experience and be left with crap equipment you can't resell. if you buy up a little and get decent (not necessarily high end) equipment you'll get a more true experience and if you then don't like it or don't continue with it, at least you can resell your decent gear and get some of your cash back.

as I've said many time on several different forums (this one included), I can't afford to buy cheap stuff. that does not mean buy a McLaren Venge, it means buying smart. I would never have bought a GMC Denali to get into road cycling, but my GT has been excellent and worth every penny even though I didn't buy expensive stuff.
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
If I cycle in Syria, will the Chemical exposure make me test positive for PED's?
That was such an obscure reference, I didn't think anyone would follow...
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Originally Posted by RT
mmdv :-d
The thing is, your assertion was over a scope broader than your experience. It doesn't matter if you don't see it in your other hobbies; the fact that it does occur in other hobbies you don't pursue does mean that the phenomenon occurs in other venues. Including in the real world.
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Originally Posted by thehammerdog
Is it OK to be a newby with a new Dragonfly Calfee with full dura ace?
How does this affect you?

I mean, sure, you got so annoyed you had to start a thread about it. But really it's no skin off your back.
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Sometimes I ride my Cervelo slowly. Last weekend I went backpacking, and carried far too much stuff (warmth and camera gear) up six miles up a mountain, then back down the next day. The following day I went for a real slow recovery ride, in my clipless sandals.
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Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest
Sometimes I ride my Cervelo slowly. Last weekend I went backpacking, and carried far too much stuff (warmth and camera gear) up six miles up a mountain, then back down the next day. The following day I went for a real slow recovery ride, in my clipless sandals.

You should be ashamed of yourself; this belongs on the "Confessions" thread...
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Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest
Sometimes I ride my Cervelo slowly. The following day I went for a real slow recovery ride, in my clipless sandals.
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Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest
How does this affect you?

I mean, sure, you got so annoyed you had to start a thread about it. But really it's no skin off your back.
Well, as I was taking care of my morning business and reading the latest Road Bike action they reviewed the New Calfee suspension bike and I was drooling hoping to win the lottery just to have the chance to how one.....it got me to thinking??? am I worthy? Sadly nope was the answer, purely based on my empty wallet, thus the post...sorry if it ruined your day, but sometimes it does get under my skin that money = better stuff and the quality of the athlete = zippo. Luv that bike...
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Originally Posted by thehammerdog
Well, as I was taking care of my morning business and reading the latest Road Bike action they reviewed the New Calfee suspension bike and I was drooling hoping to win the lottery just to have the chance to how one.....it got me to thinking??? am I worthy? Sadly nope was the answer, purely based on my empty wallet, thus the post...sorry if it ruined your day, but sometimes it does get under my skin that money = better stuff and the quality of the athlete = zippo. Luv that bike...
Once you turn pro they'll give you the equipment according to your ability.
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Originally Posted by thehammerdog
Well, as I was taking care of my morning business and reading the latest Road Bike action they reviewed the New Calfee suspension bike and I was drooling hoping to win the lottery just to have the chance to how one.....it got me to thinking??? am I worthy? Sadly nope was the answer, purely based on my empty wallet, thus the post...sorry if it ruined your day, but sometimes it does get under my skin that money = better stuff and the quality of the athlete = zippo. Luv that bike...
Why does it get under your skin? Money provides access to better... more or less everything.
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Originally Posted by RPK79
Once you turn pro they'll give you the equipment according to how well you can sell their bikes and make them money.
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I like it - no carbon anything until you can demonstrate your ability to dial it up to 400W and drope the hamer.
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I like it - no carbon anything until you can demonstrate your ability to dial it up to 400W and drope the hamer.
What's the bonus for slamdancing?
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What's the bonus for slamdancing?
A slammed stem
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