wolfchild

How the heck would you know the mannerism of some person behind a keyboard, which you never met in real life ??.

cooker

ARE YOU KIDDING ME?































Admit it - it looked like I was shouting.

Walter S

Too bad when the voice of reason is in all caps.

tandempower

It wasn't reason. It was a prediction that drones would all be banned, presumably out of fear for replacing human slavery with machine slavery; because don't you know the human slaves can only get their money if they stop the machines from doing the driving and deliveries?

jack pot 

... i take your "reasonable" 5 year counter prediction to be that drones will fill urban skies byways & hi ways thereby efficiently replacing the slave labor currently driving and making deliveries and that these newly liberated displaced slaves can migrate to new fields on bicycles because they will be car free, work free, and $$$ free

tandempower

No, I don't want to engage in debate with you because of your aggressive and hostile stance. If you want to discuss politics, let's do so in the p&r sub-forum.

wolfchild

It's not your job to teach other people forum etiquette and how they should talk or express themselves. Let it go, because anybody is allowed to come here and post their ideas and opinions. There are no forum rules which say that EVERYBODY HAS TO AGREE WITH YOU OR AGREE WITH OP AND THERE ARE NO RULES WHICH FORBID PEOPLE FROM USING A BIT OF POETRY OR SARCASM TO EXPRESS THEMSELVES...This entire thread is a mixture of politics, crystal ball prophecies, economics, science fiction and other things which are irrelevant to LCF and transportational cycling.

cooker

So you agree - caps are for shouting?

Anyway, folks please stick to LCF 5 year predictions and progress reports.

I-Like-To-Bike

Posts on LCF that are mixtures of politics, crystal ball prophecies, economics, science fiction, etc. are irrelevant to LCF and transportational cycling whether they are 5 year predictions or not, whether they are shouted in all caps or whispered in cooker-tandempower-approved capitalized fonts.

cooker

What is relevant to LCF?

350htrr

I also read somewhere that... VW has said they will be selling an autonomous vehicle in 2025... Tell them it's pie in the sky thinking/dreaming... Should make everyone safer, including bicycle riders/pedestrians...

tandempower

Some people exercise the liberty of behaving themselves without rules, masters, and whips. Apparently you don't believe in that, but by posting about it here instead of in P&R, you're trolling.

I-Like-To-Bike

Available public transit options, and for some people, bicycling options to walking everywhere; or going nowhere as an option.

Odes to ascetic preferences and fantasy schemes are not.

I-Like-To-Bike

Sez the fellow notorious for posting numerous Gratuitous P&R commentary/rants on this list and then complaining that posters who disagree are lacking "respect", and/or complaining that posters who disagree with your gratuitous P&R commentary/rants are trying to derail the thread to the P&R list.

wolfchild

Should make everyone safer, DOESN'T MEAN IT WILL MAKE EVERYONE SAFER...And how do you persecute a robot or a piece of software in a court of law or how do issue a traffic infraction, if they are involved in an accident or hit and run or breaking some other traffic laws ??...

350htrr

I would say, any accident with an autonomous vehicle would have reams of info recorded, a 360* view of everything and everyone... Better than eye witnesses any day. IMO And yes, it does mean everyone will be safer. Once the technology gets past the first few hundred deaths, and starts to work as needed...

350htrr

The future of bicycling.

Walter S

That doesn't commit VW to do spit. It's good marketing that gets people like you all keyed up and giddy about the technology. Driverless cars have serious technical and legal issues and may never be approved for use without a dedicated hands on veto thru manual control.

350htrr

Hedging your prediction I see...

I agree for the first little while, manual intervention will be a legal must, and that will fail as people will be too trusting of the technology and will not pay attention, will just not do it conscientiously enough to make a difference.

What will happen, is driving will be taken away from humans on public roads once it is proven that it will save the 40,000 lives lost every year to human drivers, and autonomous vehicles will prevail 100% on public roads, for safety reasons... IMO

350htrr

Well now, My point is/was trying to be, that others IN the game (not just dreamers like me), are investing billions, and do think it's a viable project, not pie in the sky like some here have said... Practically every major car manufacturer is trying and thinking that they can, do it... And make $$$ with it...

Walter S

The technology they develop for various levels of autonomous operation has market appeal regardless of whether or not truly driverless cars are ever possible given issues with technology such as sensors that work only in good weather, and a number of legal/liability issues.

The car manufacturers all want to position themselves as leaders and aspire to the full challenges of driverless cars. I maintain that this is just smart marketing. It dovetails nicely with their investment in features like automatic parking, lane changing, etc. while never necessarily going much further than that.

To make a compelling argument that driverless cars will happen you need to support that with more than the fact that car manufacturers talk a lot about it in marketing materials.

Walter S

What about people in rural areas that drive trucks and farm equipment on dirt roads? What about people that navigate a four-wheel jeep up a frozen mountain road in the winter to their cabin? Those people don't get to exist anymore? You'll get push-back that will last for generations at least.

I've just scratched the surface with a couple of niche items. There are emergency vehicle drivers that navigate around novel situations in the roads that totally driverless car is just not going to figure out in the foreseeable future. Many other examples I don't have time to write. The world is complex and driverless cars have operated nowhere at all. And not adequately tested around children and bicycle riders. And everybody pretends the sensor issues will solve themselves somehow. Technology does not happen because you want it. That's why we don't have things like personal aircraft, that we were sure to have by now. But we DO have the internet, which nobody even thought of.

350htrr

Did you even watch that Tesla video where the car drove from A to B and then parked itself on "real roads, in real conditions, on a real public road, inter acting with real drivers and real bicycles and real pedestrian traffic with no input from the driver... ? Of course it's not only possible it IS happening TODAY...

350htrr

I would say that there will be a manual mode for decades...

jack pot 

the real test bed for driverless vehicles would be a road races ... much of todays digital tech in autos is derived straight out of F1 racing ... irrespective of my disdain for driverless autos i think we will see a driverless auto race within the next 5 years