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05-11-18, 09:31 AM
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Also, it would be nice if the AJAX were hosted locally as opposed to via ajax.googleapis.com. I'd prefer not to be tracked around the web.
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Because it causes inconvenience to many people. Bear in mind, most people don't have the savvy or inclination to change any settings in anything digital they use. They accept the defaults, often unknowingly. I'm an IT person, and I know what typical behavior is. Describe the procedure, and people's eyes glaze over. Most people don't get as far as hearing the problem description or the procedure, so by leaving the default a bad one, we are inconveniencing the majority of the people. This infinite scrolling feature is a bad one, and the default is worse.
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05-11-18, 09:48 AM
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Twitter does it...and it sucks there, too.
Pagination = good
Infinite scrolling = bad
A great example of pagination is Amazon:
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There are special links at the tops of all the pages. I want to reach them quickly by hitting the Home key. Instead of reaching the top, I get more posts above where I'm looking. I have to wait for the images to load, images I'm not interested in seeing. I don't know how many times I have to hit Home before I really hit the top, and each time, I have to wait. Now why would I be happy about that?
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05-11-18, 09:55 AM
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eg. With infinite, getting from eg. the top post of a page, to the post or two that just preceded it is much easier than with pagination.
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Something you might want to take a look at (or it might be me being the only one with the problem) is, when I come to this site after having been quoted, I see the notification telling me I've been quoted. When I click on the link for new quotes, it takes me to my user profile page and no longer says I have any new quotes. If I click on the link in my e-mail it takes me directly to the quote as it always used to.
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There are special links at the tops of all the pages. I want to reach them quickly by hitting the Home key. Instead of reaching the top, I get more posts above where I'm looking. I have to wait for the images to load, images I'm not interested in seeing. I don't know how many times I have to hit Home before I really hit the top, and each time, I have to wait. Now why would I be happy about that?
05-11-18, 10:08 AM
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I won't dispute what you're saying, but I'm not clear what you're saying. Regardless, should everyone in this thread instead of saying to turn of IS, be spelling out what they'd want improved with it? ie., here's what your post looks like on my screen -- what links do I not have access to?
When To Use Infinite Scrolling/Pagination?
There are only a few instances where infinite scrolling is effective. It’s best suited for sites and apps that are streams of user-generated content (Twitter, Facebook, Pinterest, Instagram). Pagination, on the other hand, is well-suited for goal-oriented sites and apps.
Google experience is a good illustration for this point. Google Images uses infinite scroll because users are able to scan and process images much more quickly than text. Reading a search result takes much longer. This is the reason why their Google Search results still use the more traditional pagination technique.
There are only a few instances where infinite scrolling is effective. It’s best suited for sites and apps that are streams of user-generated content (Twitter, Facebook, Pinterest, Instagram). Pagination, on the other hand, is well-suited for goal-oriented sites and apps.
Google experience is a good illustration for this point. Google Images uses infinite scroll because users are able to scan and process images much more quickly than text. Reading a search result takes much longer. This is the reason why their Google Search results still use the more traditional pagination technique.
Which Option is Best?
As mentioned earlier, the infinite scrolling vs. pagination debate is quite heated in the web development world. In reality, the answer of “which is best,” will vary from website to website. On a page that is highly-visual, perhaps infinite scrolling would be a good choice since users will not get to view as many results at one time. However, if you are truly struggling with the decision, it is important to remember that pagination is always a good “universal” option, and it’s hard to go wrong choosing to go this route.
As mentioned earlier, the infinite scrolling vs. pagination debate is quite heated in the web development world. In reality, the answer of “which is best,” will vary from website to website. On a page that is highly-visual, perhaps infinite scrolling would be a good choice since users will not get to view as many results at one time. However, if you are truly struggling with the decision, it is important to remember that pagination is always a good “universal” option, and it’s hard to go wrong choosing to go this route.
Conclusion: Infinite scrolling may seem like an elegant replacement for pagination. However, it’s not the answer for most websites. Infinite scrolling is probably not for you if site visitors want to achieve goal-oriented activities, such as when they need to backtrack or find specific information quickly.
More reading: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=pagination...&t=ffsb&ia=web
05-11-18, 10:15 AM
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I believe that the overall uneasiness that some feel is the loss of control or the sense that it is never ending. The scroll bar means nothing now. Think of how often you glance at a scroll bar when viewing content on the web (e.g. news article or blog post).
Recall when the Kindle first launched 11 years ago. It was amazing...but initially people felt uneasy about it compared to books. No one knew why. "Books are better!".
Then someone realized that with a book, you have a sense of where you are in the story by observing how many pages you've read vs how many are left in the book. Just looking at 30, 20, 10 pages left creates a sense of excitement and/or that if impending completion and whatnot. But, with the new digital format, there was no sense of where you were in the story.
So what happened? Amazon added a scroll bar and % meter. "Page x of y" is irrelevant, so they use a measure called "location":
Recall when the Kindle first launched 11 years ago. It was amazing...but initially people felt uneasy about it compared to books. No one knew why. "Books are better!".
Then someone realized that with a book, you have a sense of where you are in the story by observing how many pages you've read vs how many are left in the book. Just looking at 30, 20, 10 pages left creates a sense of excitement and/or that if impending completion and whatnot. But, with the new digital format, there was no sense of where you were in the story.
So what happened? Amazon added a scroll bar and % meter. "Page x of y" is irrelevant, so they use a measure called "location":
05-11-18, 10:32 AM
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I won't dispute what you're saying, but I'm not clear what you're saying. Regardless, should everyone in this thread instead of saying to turn of IS, be spelling out what they'd want improved with it? ie., here's what your post looks like on my screen -- what links do I not have access to?
05-11-18, 10:51 AM
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I think he's saying that he'd like to be able to access links like the UserCP and NewPosts that are only there when you scroll all the way up to the top and doesn't want to have to scroll that far through massively long threads. I get that, but I don't like having to turn pages to load new things either, so, for the way I use BF, it's about a wash.
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I believe that the overall uneasiness that some feel is the loss of control or the sense that it is never ending. The scroll bar means nothing now. Think of how often you glance at a scroll bar when viewing content on the web (e.g. news article or blog post).
Recall when the Kindle first launched 11 years ago. It was amazing...but initially people felt uneasy about it compared to books. No one knew why. "Books are better!".
Then someone realized that with a book, you have a sense of where you are in the story by observing how many pages you've read vs how many are left in the book. Just looking at 30, 20, 10 pages left creates a sense of excitement and/or that if impending completion and whatnot. But, with the new digital format, there was no sense of where you were in the story.
So what happened? Amazon added a scroll bar and % meter. "Page x of y" is irrelevant, so they use a measure called "location":
Recall when the Kindle first launched 11 years ago. It was amazing...but initially people felt uneasy about it compared to books. No one knew why. "Books are better!".
Then someone realized that with a book, you have a sense of where you are in the story by observing how many pages you've read vs how many are left in the book. Just looking at 30, 20, 10 pages left creates a sense of excitement and/or that if impending completion and whatnot. But, with the new digital format, there was no sense of where you were in the story.
So what happened? Amazon added a scroll bar and % meter. "Page x of y" is irrelevant, so they use a measure called "location":
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05-11-18, 11:03 AM
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seems like any progress to fix things has stopped.
1. I get quote notifications but can't see them when I click
2. Mentions just show a blank for the user name
3. No origination date for the thread
4. The mobile view fonts and color are too ugly to use.
1. I get quote notifications but can't see them when I click
2. Mentions just show a blank for the user name
3. No origination date for the thread
4. The mobile view fonts and color are too ugly to use.
05-11-18, 11:33 AM
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I think he's saying that he'd like to be able to access links like the UserCP and NewPosts that are only there when you scroll all the way up to the top and doesn't want to have to scroll that far through massively long threads. I get that, but I don't like having to turn pages to load new things either, so, for the way I use BF, it's about a wash.
Even if I'm not looking to click something in the header (or footer) I don't like infinite scrolling.
It's "neat" at best...like flaming, spinning logos on "intro" pages to websites from the 1990s. Neat during a product demo. Sucks to use all day.
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I'm not familiar with how IB/BF rolls out their software. But the general way things go are:
1) Gather requirements.
2) Prioritize features.
3) Select features.
4) Build features.
5) Test, test, test features
6) Fix whatever issues that come from testing.
7) Roll out features.
8) Triage bugs.
9) Immediately address any high priority bugs as "hot fixes" for the things that slipped through testing. This is probably why @IBThomas was replying on the weekend with fixes.
10) All other bugs, requests, and new features are put into a backlog.
11) Rinse. Repeat.
We are likely in step #10 right now. Fixes will likely come on a 2 week cadence going forward, assuming they roll out changes in 2 week sprints.
Congratulations!!! If you read and understood some of that, you are now an Agile Project Manager!!
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That said, I would like the BF folks to put a link to our "New Quotes" page permanently in the Quick Links menu (perhaps right under Subscribed threads); understanding that they may not always be technically "new", but rather a list of quotes in "newness" order.
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I believe that the overall uneasiness that some feel is the loss of control or the sense that it is never ending. The scroll bar means nothing now. Think of how often you glance at a scroll bar when viewing content on the web (e.g. news article or blog post).
Recall when the Kindle first launched 11 years ago. It was amazing...but initially people felt uneasy about it compared to books. No one knew why. "Books are better!".
Then someone realized that with a book, you have a sense of where you are in the story by observing how many pages you've read vs how many are left in the book. Just looking at 30, 20, 10 pages left creates a sense of excitement and/or that if impending completion and whatnot. But, with the new digital format, there was no sense of where you were in the story.
So what happened? Amazon added a scroll bar and % meter. "Page x of y" is irrelevant, so they use a measure called "location":
Recall when the Kindle first launched 11 years ago. It was amazing...but initially people felt uneasy about it compared to books. No one knew why. "Books are better!".
Then someone realized that with a book, you have a sense of where you are in the story by observing how many pages you've read vs how many are left in the book. Just looking at 30, 20, 10 pages left creates a sense of excitement and/or that if impending completion and whatnot. But, with the new digital format, there was no sense of where you were in the story.
So what happened? Amazon added a scroll bar and % meter. "Page x of y" is irrelevant, so they use a measure called "location":
05-11-18, 12:26 PM
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Are you speaking for No Glider's reason? He didn't mention the same things you're mentioning. You seem to imply its a psychological thing for some people who spend all day on a site. NoGlider seemed to indicate a loss of functionality. Maybe I'm weird, but I haven't felt uneasy using infinite scrolling (yet), nor really identified a functionality loss that's inherent to IS.
That said, I would like the BF folks to put a link to our "New Quotes" page permanently in the Quick Links menu (perhaps right under Subscribed threads); understanding that they may not always be technically "new", but rather a list of quotes in "newness" order.
That said, I would like the BF folks to put a link to our "New Quotes" page permanently in the Quick Links menu (perhaps right under Subscribed threads); understanding that they may not always be technically "new", but rather a list of quotes in "newness" order.
I do get where you're coming from on this as I do like to know how much time left I have in something as to whether or not I'm going to keep reading it or not, but I often see a lot of pages (especially those that want to be "viral") putting in too frequent of paginations in there. I assume that they're doing it to get more non-unique page view (for whatever that's worth maybe it helps boost them somewhere or get more ad revenue) or show me more ads, but that just frustrates me and I leave.
I'm not pushing for that.
I'm suggesting we go back to the way things were a couple of weeks ago. They got it right and now it's changed. You don't mess with the thing that worked. This is like Chick-fil-A changing their chicken sandwich. Or, ha, how Coke changed to New Coke in the 80s...we all know how that turned out. In an effort to be more like Pepsi and take some of Pepsi's customers, they made "New Coke" taste like Pepsi...and alienated their core customer base.
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On a related note, R-e-d-d-i-t is going through this exact thing right now. They are redesinging the site and the core users (that made it the powerhouse site that it is now) are rejecting it...and management isn't listening.
Pay close attention. R-e-d-d-i-t is an internet darling that can be replaced within weeks. This is how they became famous in the first place when DIGG went under in 2010. All of the users migrated to ****** en masse.
EDIT: Still not sure why R-e-d-d-i-t is a censored word.
Pay close attention. R-e-d-d-i-t is an internet darling that can be replaced within weeks. This is how they became famous in the first place when DIGG went under in 2010. All of the users migrated to ****** en masse.
EDIT: Still not sure why R-e-d-d-i-t is a censored word.
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Seems like patience is severely lacking in this instant gratification fueled, rough and tumble new frontier of social media, eh?
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With all the problems, I have the impression that this new version was not tested much before it was deployed. I'm sorry if that seems disrespectful of all the work that people have done, but that's the appearance to me. Some of the bugs were very frequently used features, and a quick test would have exposed the problems.
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Bug/Feature? The top banner menu has a "Forums>" pulldown
Chrome Canary and Firefox desktop (granted I have canvas and Ghostery blocking running)
Expected behavior: Being able to browse the menu to get to subforums....
What is happening: it requires mouse clicks to open (a simple hover won't open it)....except said single mouse click opens a link to take you to the Forums list page....IOW you cannot browse to subforums via that list, only get to the Forums list page. Due to delay/lag I see that on click the menu opens and shows subforums--but at that point my browser is opening the aforesaid page.
Chrome Canary and Firefox desktop (granted I have canvas and Ghostery blocking running)
Expected behavior: Being able to browse the menu to get to subforums....
What is happening: it requires mouse clicks to open (a simple hover won't open it)....except said single mouse click opens a link to take you to the Forums list page....IOW you cannot browse to subforums via that list, only get to the Forums list page. Due to delay/lag I see that on click the menu opens and shows subforums--but at that point my browser is opening the aforesaid page.
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Don't know if everybody is having this problem. But I can't post from my flickr account using the Image. When I paste an url in the box it disappears. Am I doing something wrong?
Manually inserting the url tween image tags works. So not the end of the world but annoying.
Manually inserting the url tween image tags works. So not the end of the world but annoying.
