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It is hard to lose someone that you are close to. It is also sad to hear of such a loss of one of our own, doing what we all do . So many times we put ourselves in danger without even realizing the finality of every move we make and decisions that are made . May you find peace and healing in the coming months and May his memory live on with every push of the pedals. Joe
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Sad news.
I am starting to wonder if age is the reason I have made a couple of careless moves/decisions on my road bike recently.
I may start riding greenways which would be a huge step down from the feeling I get on country roads.
I have to be honest with myself though - maybe it's time.
I am starting to wonder if age is the reason I have made a couple of careless moves/decisions on my road bike recently.
I may start riding greenways which would be a huge step down from the feeling I get on country roads.
I have to be honest with myself though - maybe it's time.
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Sad news.
I am starting to wonder if age is the reason I have made a couple of careless moves/decisions on my road bike recently.
I may start riding greenways which would be a huge step down from the feeling I get on country roads.
I have to be honest with myself though - maybe it's time.
I am starting to wonder if age is the reason I have made a couple of careless moves/decisions on my road bike recently.
I may start riding greenways which would be a huge step down from the feeling I get on country roads.
I have to be honest with myself though - maybe it's time.
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In the area this happened is a very very busy (traffic) area about 30 miles north of CHARLOTTE.
Sad but it happens around here frequently
Sad but it happens around here frequently
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I hate reading these reports. This past fall, we had a club member killed in a similar fashion. In typical victim-blaming, the 80+y.o. driver claimed the cyclist swerved in front of him. The reality was, the cyclists did a hand-signal and was making a legal left-hand turn onto a cross road when the old man attempted to pass him. Also killed instantly.
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I hate reading these reports. This past fall, we had a club member killed in a similar fashion. In typical victim-blaming, the 80+y.o. driver claimed the cyclist swerved in front of him. The reality was, the cyclists did a hand-signal and was making a legal left-hand turn onto a cross road when the old man attempted to pass him. Also killed instantly.
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Very sorry to hear about your friend, Jppe. We all try to be safe out there, but we're sharing the roads with lots of fast-moving heavy metal. I'm sorry for your loss.
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The service for Earl was yesterday. Overflow attendance doesn’t begin to describe it. The chapel where the service was held was completely full. An adjacent even larger room was standing room only. A third room was the same thing. The foyer was full as well. Everyone could see and hear the service via large screen TVs. Just incredible.
His bike, jersey, helmet plus numerous pictures were on display. Open casket which was really tough for me.....
I also attended his graveside service afterwards, just so I’d know where to check in with him from time to time.
Henceforth to me RIP means “Ride In Peace”.
Here is a post from from Earl’s sister that I thought I’d share with you. It’s pretty powerful.
From Earl’s sister:
I just wanted to say that as Earl’s sister I was so overwhelmed by the HUGE out pouring of love and support at his funeral service. The number of people that came to show their love and respect for Earl, and support for Earl’s family was UNBELIEVABLE!!!
They were so many of our friends, and extended family members, and of course Earl’s huge second family of “cyclists” (which I could easily pick out after the first few by their physiques)
Today made the extreme sadness of the funeral that I had been dreading for several days turn into something that gave me personally so much comfort and peace. The whole experience made one of the most awful tragedies in my family’s history into something bearable.
I have no doubt that Earl was watching, and so proud of his two sons for stepping up like mountains and watching over their mother, Earl’s Sandy, the love of Earl’s life. And I know that Earl was so proud of his beautiful daughter-in-laws right by their side, supporting them and being the glue that held everything together, all while caring for Earl’s beautiful grandchildren. And I know Earl was so pleased that ALL his siblings and their families could be there together. And I have no doubt that Earl was watching us all, and so humbled by the outpouring of love and support from his huge cycling family, just as Earl’s family was humbled by their love too.
But for me personally, I lost a brother and I am sure my heart has not even begun to realize the depth of that yet. But I have gained an entirely new prespective on why Earl loved riding his bike so much. Because of Earl’s cycling family, I feel like I know Earl even better than I did before this happened. And I am so grateful to all of them for that gift.
Thank you so much to each and every person that could be there today, and every person that wanted to be there but couldn’t. And thank you so much to every single person who sent their positive thought and constant prayers. Without you all this would have been so so much harder. And like I learned today, we just have to keep peddling thru the pain, even when it is so hard that we just want to quit. Because the privilege of the ride with Earl was so worth every minute of it❤️❤️❤️
His bike, jersey, helmet plus numerous pictures were on display. Open casket which was really tough for me.....
I also attended his graveside service afterwards, just so I’d know where to check in with him from time to time.
Henceforth to me RIP means “Ride In Peace”.
Here is a post from from Earl’s sister that I thought I’d share with you. It’s pretty powerful.
From Earl’s sister:
I just wanted to say that as Earl’s sister I was so overwhelmed by the HUGE out pouring of love and support at his funeral service. The number of people that came to show their love and respect for Earl, and support for Earl’s family was UNBELIEVABLE!!!
They were so many of our friends, and extended family members, and of course Earl’s huge second family of “cyclists” (which I could easily pick out after the first few by their physiques)
Today made the extreme sadness of the funeral that I had been dreading for several days turn into something that gave me personally so much comfort and peace. The whole experience made one of the most awful tragedies in my family’s history into something bearable.
I have no doubt that Earl was watching, and so proud of his two sons for stepping up like mountains and watching over their mother, Earl’s Sandy, the love of Earl’s life. And I know that Earl was so proud of his beautiful daughter-in-laws right by their side, supporting them and being the glue that held everything together, all while caring for Earl’s beautiful grandchildren. And I know Earl was so pleased that ALL his siblings and their families could be there together. And I have no doubt that Earl was watching us all, and so humbled by the outpouring of love and support from his huge cycling family, just as Earl’s family was humbled by their love too.
But for me personally, I lost a brother and I am sure my heart has not even begun to realize the depth of that yet. But I have gained an entirely new prespective on why Earl loved riding his bike so much. Because of Earl’s cycling family, I feel like I know Earl even better than I did before this happened. And I am so grateful to all of them for that gift.
Thank you so much to each and every person that could be there today, and every person that wanted to be there but couldn’t. And thank you so much to every single person who sent their positive thought and constant prayers. Without you all this would have been so so much harder. And like I learned today, we just have to keep peddling thru the pain, even when it is so hard that we just want to quit. Because the privilege of the ride with Earl was so worth every minute of it❤️❤️❤️
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Sad news.
I am starting to wonder if age is the reason I have made a couple of careless moves/decisions on my road bike recently.
I may start riding greenways which would be a huge step down from the feeling I get on country roads.
I have to be honest with myself though - maybe it's time.
I am starting to wonder if age is the reason I have made a couple of careless moves/decisions on my road bike recently.
I may start riding greenways which would be a huge step down from the feeling I get on country roads.
I have to be honest with myself though - maybe it's time.
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There were witnesses and eventually the truth came out. The point being, unless there ARE witnesses, the driver will ALWAYS claim the cyclist swerved into his/her path, and unless the right questions get asked, lazy reporting and police work will always blame the dead guy for bringing it on himself.
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Had a similar “accident” outside my development main entrance last year. Driver said he swerved to avoid a head-on collision with another vehicle and did not see the cyclist. Broad daylight at the time. Cyclist was 40-something with two young kids.
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I hate reading these reports. This past fall, we had a club member killed in a similar fashion. In typical victim-blaming, the 80+y.o. driver claimed the cyclist swerved in front of him. The reality was, the cyclists did a hand-signal and was making a legal left-hand turn onto a cross road when the old man attempted to pass him. Also killed instantly.
Same reason I avoid bike lanes. Too many drivers use them as passing lanes to pass -- on the right hand side -- drivers who slowed to make left turns. And the drivers don't slow down and sneak into the bike lane carefully to check for pedestrians or cyclists. They swoop to the right at full speed. I've recorded it on video but the police won't do anything unless they witness is personally. To their credit, the police do patrol and park-and-watch that area often now in response to complaints. And I've seen 'em stop many vehicles. So they're making an effort.
That's why I run video cameras on the front and back of my bikes.
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This is why every state needs a 'four-foot rule," and it needs to be more widely publicized. Some motorists don't realize that cyclists get blown by the wind, have to dodge debris on the shoulder, etc - and they need a little breathing room.
We have a four-foot rule here in PA, though I am sure most motorists don't know it exists. Still, when a driver cruises behind me, waiting until the other lane is clear in order to pass me with a large and safe margin, I always give a little "thank you" wave as they drive past.
Sorry for yourjppe . That really is a bummer.
We have a four-foot rule here in PA, though I am sure most motorists don't know it exists. Still, when a driver cruises behind me, waiting until the other lane is clear in order to pass me with a large and safe margin, I always give a little "thank you" wave as they drive past.
Sorry for yourjppe . That really is a bummer.
There were witnesses and eventually the truth came out. The point being, unless there ARE witnesses, the driver will ALWAYS claim the cyclist swerved into his/her path, and unless the right questions get asked, lazy reporting and police work will always blame the dead guy for bringing it on himself.
I ride with a video camera on my bike (Cycliq cameras) and I've used them multiple times to get the police to go after motorists who pass too closely and/or who pass improperly. It takes a bit to get them jacked up to do it, but they get around to it. For them, it's an unusual set of circumstances but an insistent citizen who has proof usually gets them to go after the drivers. In the process, both the officer and the driver usually wind up learning something.
After just retiring and looking at estate planning, we're getting ready to redo our will. I'm contemplating putting in there that if my death is the result of a motor vehicle hitting me while on my bicycle, that my heirs should sue for wrongful death.
My condolences to @jppe - that is a tragedy and I can empathize about how tough it is to lose a friend in general but certainly in such a senseless way.
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Sorry for your, and Earl's family's loss, another good man done gone a full go'round. Ride In Peace Earl.
Prayers for you Joe, and for his family too.
Bill
Prayers for you Joe, and for his family too.
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Well, absolutely tragic, but I must say, whatever the facts, this story did remind me that I, myself, a fairly experienced rider, have swerved without warning slightly into the lane when seeing a dangerous object in my path at the last moment at speed. It's almost a reflex. I guess I have been lucky.
I have also started wearing only my left hearing aid while riding. Hoping to better hear any cars coming up from behind.
Your friend sounds like he was a "friend" to just about anyone else on a bike. Very sorry jppe.
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It is interesting that non cyclists view this topic and some feel that there is no reason someone should be on the road with a bicycle when the road is meant for cars. I get this from people who do not ride a lot . These are seemingly well meaning individuals. What these folks don’t understand is the danger in not respecting the space of another human being on a bike. Unfortunately sometimes it is too late when they finally get the message. It doesn’t matter if you believe someone should or shouldn’t be on a bike , it is another human being and one poor decision and that life comes to an end. No turning back!
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It is interesting that non cyclists view this topic and some feel that there is no reason someone should be on the road with a bicycle when the road is meant for cars. I get this from people who do not ride a lot . These are seemingly well meaning individuals. What these folks don’t understand is the danger in not respecting the space of another human being on a bike. Unfortunately sometimes it is too late when they finally get the message. It doesn’t matter if you believe someone should or shouldn’t be on a bike , it is another human being and one poor decision and that life comes to an end. No turning back!
there is a reason why these things are called accidents (normal people just don’t wake up one day and say I am going to run over a bicyclist today). Things happen (unfortunately).
and yes it’s sad
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But you also cannot just randomly blame the vehicle for the accident without all the facts (each accident is created differently)
there is a reason why these things are called accidents (normal people just don’t wake up one day and say I am going to run over a bicyclist today). Things happen (unfortunately).
and yes it’s sad
there is a reason why these things are called accidents (normal people just don’t wake up one day and say I am going to run over a bicyclist today). Things happen (unfortunately).
and yes it’s sad
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you are correct. I have seen instances of cyclists being inconsiderate of motorists as well. I just think a little consideration would go a long way to prevent some of these accidents.... on both sides of the equation. I feel so bad every time I hear of stories like this. I think of how can this happen, truth is it happens more often than we can imagine. And , you are also correct, very sad indeed.
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This is why every state needs a 'four-foot rule," and it needs to be more widely publicized. Some motorists don't realize that cyclists get blown by the wind, have to dodge debris on the shoulder, etc - and they need a little breathing room.
We have a four-foot rule here in PA, though I am sure most motorists don't know it exists. Still, when a driver cruises behind me, waiting until the other lane is clear in order to pass me with a large and safe margin, I always give a little "thank you" wave as they drive past.
Sorry for yourjppe . That really is a bummer.
We have a four-foot rule here in PA, though I am sure most motorists don't know it exists. Still, when a driver cruises behind me, waiting until the other lane is clear in order to pass me with a large and safe margin, I always give a little "thank you" wave as they drive past.
Sorry for yourjppe . That really is a bummer.
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But you also cannot just randomly blame the vehicle for the accident without all the facts (each accident is created differently)
there is a reason why these things are called accidents (normal people just don’t wake up one day and say I am going to run over a bicyclist today). Things happen (unfortunately).
and yes it’s sad
there is a reason why these things are called accidents (normal people just don’t wake up one day and say I am going to run over a bicyclist today). Things happen (unfortunately).
and yes it’s sad
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It is interesting that non cyclists view this topic and some feel that there is no reason someone should be on the road with a bicycle when the road is meant for cars. I get this from people who do not ride a lot . These are seemingly well meaning individuals. What these folks don’t understand is the danger in not respecting the space of another human being on a bike. Unfortunately sometimes it is too late when they finally get the message. It doesn’t matter if you believe someone should or shouldn’t be on a bike , it is another human being and one poor decision and that life comes to an end. No turning back!
Today I ride far less than I used to, and far less than I would like to, in response to an entire generation of phone-distracted motorists and a new generation of cars with inherently dangerously distracting touch screen controls. (Future daughter-in-law number 2 drives a Model 3, and my son likes everything about the car except the damn touch screen. Off topic -- it's also pretty stupid to design a car in which the rear window has to roll down 1/4" so that the door can be opened. One major, one minor strike against an otherwise trend-setting and well-engineered car.)
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We have a 3-foot clearance rule in California, and getting it passed was a long struggle, but we finally did it. There are a lot of bicyclists in my town in north coastal San Diego County, and motorists are mostly pretty well-behaved, although we have our share of the aggressive and/or impatient ones, as well. If your state does not have a safe passing margin law, work with your legislators and your fellow cycling advocates to create one and get the governor to sign it.
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