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They are in New Jersey. I have no intention of going state by state, but I'd be willing to make a bet that a bell is required in the US. Go to any state's DOT bicycle site and read what is required.
It would appear bells are mandatory on bikes, the fiercely independent nature of my fellow Americans notwithstanding.
Biking in New Jersey, Regulations, Commuter Information
It would appear bells are mandatory on bikes, the fiercely independent nature of my fellow Americans notwithstanding.
Biking in New Jersey, Regulations, Commuter Information
39:4-11 Audible Signal.
A bicycle must be equipped with a bell or other audible device that can be heard at least 100 feet away, but not a siren or whistle.
A bicycle must be equipped with a bell or other audible device that can be heard at least 100 feet away, but not a siren or whistle.
A person riding a bicycle or electrical assisted bicycle upon and along a sidewalk or pathway or across a roadway upon and along a crosswalk shall yield the right-of-way to any pedestrian and shall give an audible signal before overtaking and passing such pedestrian.
Other nations have other regulations as Machka pointed out.
And if you want a titanium bell for your bike look to King Cages in Colorado. You can use it as a shot glass as well.
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IMO there is room for both options ... or more specifically, a range of options ... from a fully equipped, set up bicycle a person can buy and ride away >>>>>>>>> to all the bits and pieces which make up a bicycle.
There's nothing wrong with either end of the scale or anywhere in between, it just depends what the cyclist wants and what the cyclist feels comfortable with.
A non-mechanically inclined cyclist might want a fully equipped, set up bicycle he/she can just ride away.
A more mechanically inclined cyclist might want to build up his/her bicycle.
And I suspect that each shop, wherever the shop is located, makes some attempt to cater to the desires of potential customers in the area.
There's nothing wrong with either end of the scale or anywhere in between, it just depends what the cyclist wants and what the cyclist feels comfortable with.
A non-mechanically inclined cyclist might want a fully equipped, set up bicycle he/she can just ride away.
A more mechanically inclined cyclist might want to build up his/her bicycle.
And I suspect that each shop, wherever the shop is located, makes some attempt to cater to the desires of potential customers in the area.
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I'm not American. I believe I said "North America" for that exact reason.
Can you please clarify your point, because I am confused. We also have laws that require such safety features, so why are you acting like we don't? This and your other thread are quickly starting to sound like a slap at Americans, as many ex-pats like to do.
Can you please clarify your point, because I am confused. We also have laws that require such safety features, so why are you acting like we don't? This and your other thread are quickly starting to sound like a slap at Americans, as many ex-pats like to do.
Now I learn that the human voice could be considered a device. I wouldn't have interpreted the law that way, but for me the issue is really not one I wish to spend my time on.
Again, I initiated this thread after first responding to another thread and then deleting my message as I thought it better to start a new thread. My initial post was simply that the overwhelming majority of bikes here in the Netherlands are sold complete. Racing bikes probably wouldn't have lights for the weight issue; they probably wouldn't be sold with lights (though if you bike at night, you need to be seen, thus lights are mandatory).
What I didn't write in this thread, I'll write now which may give you an idea of my history regarding bikes.
I bought a bike 30 or 35 years ago when I lived in the US. There wasn't much in the way of choice then and I bought a 10 speed (I think) racing style bike. I never really biked all that much, the primary reason was neck pain. I moved here 20 years ago and saw a predominance of upright bikes ... and there were so many models from which to choose. I initially settled on a second hand three speed which served me well for a few years.
As time went on I would trade one bike in and buy another. It wasn't always a trade up though. I've bought bikes simply because of the design. Overall though, I never had any neck pain from sitting in a more upright position. There was a definite lack of choice for me in the US 30 years ago. I know the situation has improved somewhat but not to the extent of what I see offered in Holland, Germany, Belgium, or Denmark.
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Ugh, this thread topic was lame last month and it's lame this month. Maybe it will work out for you in August.
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It might be easier for a customer to find a fancy coffee being served up at a bicycle retail store then a ready to ride bicycle equipped for commuting/going to school/casual cycling.
Bike shops: The new Starbucks? - MarketWatch
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Bike stores and online sources can't sell what they can't/won't offer to the customer, such as relatively inexpensive bicycles. It is obvious that the remaining number of the dwindling US independent bicycle retailers choose to specialize in selling bicycling and accessories to the niche market of enthusiasts and the well heeled consumer. They can thank goodness for their repair business which the online and big box stores do not offer.
It might be easier for a customer to find a fancy coffee being served up at a bicycle retail store then a ready to ride bicycle equipped for commuting/going to school/casual cycling.
Bike shops: The new Starbucks? - MarketWatch
It might be easier for a customer to find a fancy coffee being served up at a bicycle retail store then a ready to ride bicycle equipped for commuting/going to school/casual cycling.
Bike shops: The new Starbucks? - MarketWatch
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So BikeForums, I was thinking about bicycles and the riding of them. Other people ride bikes differently than I do. If there weren't so many options, maybe this wouldn't happen. There's no question here, just an observation.
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This completely pointless thread here https://www.bikeforums.net/general-cy...-technium.html has over 13,000.
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Yep, this thread is a re-tread of last month's thread by the same OP, in which he asked,
Simple answer is still the same. different market, different use for the product. The shops will stock what sells and not stock what doesn't sell. Good luck with next month's thread, which you can entitle, "Why don't US bikes come with built-in lights and fenders?"
My impression at that time, I saw mostly mountain bikes and racing bikes. It seems that most bikes came mostly bare ... mud guards, lights, etc. were add ons.
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You can easily get a "complete" bike in the US. It's as simple as buying an incomplete bike and adding whatever accessories you want.
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Bells used to be required in DC,but that was repealed back in Jan. Of course,according to some folks,we're not actually part of the US.
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It came equipped as you see it (other than the water bottle). So, yes, they are available; people just don't buy many of them.
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edit: never mind can see the chainring and a crankarm now, it's a bent, not used to getting a good look at one, never seen one that tall and didn't think the chainrings are that close to the handlebar.
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Several years ago, I emailed a major manufacturer about having a bicycle with fenders etc. They finally did and later the model disappeared. It looks like a demand issue in North America. Mec.ca has Ghost bicycles though.
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Reminds me of the car dealers and manufacturers in the U.S. who refused to recognize any demand (starting in the late 50's) for small cars, later small pickups, and later yet smaller cars that had better than bare bones appointments. The refrain heard, while first VW, and later the Japanese cleaned their clocks, was We don't make or sell 'em because nobody wants 'em, all real car/pickup owners buy what we want to make or sell.
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Reminds me of the car dealers and manufacturers in the U.S. who refused to recognize any demand (starting in the late 50's) for small cars, later small pickups, and later yet smaller cars that had better than bare bones appointments. The refrain heard, while first VW, and later the Japanese cleaned their clocks, was We don't make or sell 'em because nobody wants 'em, all real car/pickup owners buy what we want to make or sell.
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Dave Horne,
perhaps Pon Holdings would be familiar to you from Nederland. Their ownership of Derby Cycles and in particular that web site gives the North Americans some idea of what's going on in the Continent.
DERBY CYCLE bewegt: Unternehmen
What draws me to Pon Holdings is that it purchased Cervelo a while ago.
perhaps Pon Holdings would be familiar to you from Nederland. Their ownership of Derby Cycles and in particular that web site gives the North Americans some idea of what's going on in the Continent.
DERBY CYCLE bewegt: Unternehmen
What draws me to Pon Holdings is that it purchased Cervelo a while ago.
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Dave Horne,
perhaps Pon Holdings would be familiar to you from Nederland. Their ownership of Derby Cycles and in particular that web site gives the North Americans some idea of what's going on in the Continent.
DERBY CYCLE bewegt: Unternehmen
What draws me to Pon Holdings is that it purchased Cervelo a while ago.
perhaps Pon Holdings would be familiar to you from Nederland. Their ownership of Derby Cycles and in particular that web site gives the North Americans some idea of what's going on in the Continent.
DERBY CYCLE bewegt: Unternehmen
What draws me to Pon Holdings is that it purchased Cervelo a while ago.
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