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Sustained higher heartrate when riding...
I find myself when riding higher speed to be spending a lot of time in the 170-180 HR range. A guestimate of my max HR is 190. I am 60 y.o. Not sure if I can sustain 175 bpm for 1 hour...possibly not...but can for 30 minutes if motivated enough. I am not anaerobic at 175 bpm though my breathing is elevated a bit but may run out of gas after 30 minutes at this HR.
I am wondering about you guys? I don't ride that way all the time...trying to make a point of doing more rides at lower HR this year and more rest days off the bike between rides. But my HR gets up on fast group rides and taking pulls off the front or hammering solo or exchanging pulls with another rider and was curious if you guys sustain a higher HR throughout your ride?
I am wondering about you guys? I don't ride that way all the time...trying to make a point of doing more rides at lower HR this year and more rest days off the bike between rides. But my HR gets up on fast group rides and taking pulls off the front or hammering solo or exchanging pulls with another rider and was curious if you guys sustain a higher HR throughout your ride?
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I find myself when riding higher speed to be spending a lot of time in the 170-180 HR range. A guestimate of my max HR is 190. I am 60 y.o. Not sure if I can sustain 175 bpm for 1 hour...possibly not...but can for 30 minutes if motivated enough. I am not anaerobic at 175 bpm though my breathing is elevated a bit but may run out of gas after 30 minutes at this HR.
I am wondering about you guys? I don't ride that way all the time...trying to make a point of doing more rides at lower HR this year and more rest days off the bike between rides. But my HR gets up on fast group rides and taking pulls off the front or hammering solo or exchanging pulls with another rider and was curious if you guys sustain a higher HR throughout your ride?
I am wondering about you guys? I don't ride that way all the time...trying to make a point of doing more rides at lower HR this year and more rest days off the bike between rides. But my HR gets up on fast group rides and taking pulls off the front or hammering solo or exchanging pulls with another rider and was curious if you guys sustain a higher HR throughout your ride?
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1. My HR goes up after a dose of caffeine, at high altitude and after I take a pseudoephed. [I haven't tried all three!]
2. I find when I skip a meal and ride in the morning [forget, not intentional] I end up with a higher HR.
3. My HR is the lowest on mid-morning rides with a tasty breakfast 3-4 hrs before. Not sure if that helps.
*All 3 of the above can average the same speed sadly enough.
Riding slow also gives me a low HR, but I don't think that is the question.
2. I find when I skip a meal and ride in the morning [forget, not intentional] I end up with a higher HR.
3. My HR is the lowest on mid-morning rides with a tasty breakfast 3-4 hrs before. Not sure if that helps.
*All 3 of the above can average the same speed sadly enough.
Riding slow also gives me a low HR, but I don't think that is the question.
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Same for me, if you drop all of the numbers down about 10 beats. I don't believe that it's dangerous for our long-term health but I gather that it's not recommended for training. I'll ditto the question.
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Walking at a brisk pace for 40 minutes/2.54 miles gave me an average of 115 and a max of 126. I walk a few days here and there when the weather forecast is not calling for a dry 2 hour ride.
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The "rules" have changed for heart-rate training to the point that you need to do a bit of self-testing to see what your max actually is. The old axioms like 220-your age, etc. are not appropriate for most people and have led many to believe they're pushing themselves to the limit when they're actually not.
If you truly ever get close to your max heart rate, you'll notice a big increase in your oxygen demand that, if not met, will cause you to faint. If you haven't reached conditions approaching those, I wouldn't worry about max.
If you truly ever get close to your max heart rate, you'll notice a big increase in your oxygen demand that, if not met, will cause you to faint. If you haven't reached conditions approaching those, I wouldn't worry about max.
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HR monitors are accurate. The only thing that throws them off is static and dry conditions - not enough moisture on the contacts. Starting out without warming up/sweating and especially with low humidity can make for some crazy high numbers. But once you start sweating, they are right on. the one exception is you can quickly dry out riding downhill.
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Nearly the same here, I'm 63 and my tested MHR is 191. These days I'm not training as much as 2 or 3 yrs ago, but then I could sustain 3 20 min intervals at 175/178. At a race I made the mistake of wearing my HRM and backed off a bit when I saw 180+ all the time. My Dr. says it's a personal thing and I shouldn't worry.
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HR monitors are accurate. The only thing that throws them off is static and dry conditions - not enough moisture on the contacts. Starting out without warming up/sweating and especially with low humidity can make for some crazy high numbers. But once you start sweating, they are right on. the one exception is you can quickly dry out riding downhill.
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Can too much exercise harm the heart and shorten your life? - Health & wellness - The Boston Globe
While exercise researchers haven’t determined the exact toll this takes on the heart muscle, evidence suggests that too much prolonged exertion over time can do irreversible damage. In a 2012 review of more than 50 studies published in the journal Mayo Clinic Proceedings, O’Keefe and his colleagues concluded that endurance athletes who participate in marathon-style running, biking, and swimming races have five times the risk of developing an irregular heartbeat called atrial fibrillation because of an enlargement of their heart muscle. Some also have more scarring on heart tissue and higher levels of a protein called troponin, which is involved in inflammation and atherosclerosis, a chronic condition that damages blood vessels
While exercise researchers haven’t determined the exact toll this takes on the heart muscle, evidence suggests that too much prolonged exertion over time can do irreversible damage. In a 2012 review of more than 50 studies published in the journal Mayo Clinic Proceedings, O’Keefe and his colleagues concluded that endurance athletes who participate in marathon-style running, biking, and swimming races have five times the risk of developing an irregular heartbeat called atrial fibrillation because of an enlargement of their heart muscle. Some also have more scarring on heart tissue and higher levels of a protein called troponin, which is involved in inflammation and atherosclerosis, a chronic condition that damages blood vessels
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I'm curious about how accurate the heart rate monitor itself is at measuring your heart rate?? I just used my Wahoo TICKR for the first time yesterday on a 30 mile ride, (did 30 riding hard and 1.5 cool down), it says I was at 164 average for 74 minutes of that ride. 150 average for 28 minutes of it, 174 plus for 7 minutes.
Walking at a brisk pace for 40 minutes/2.54 miles gave me an average of 115 and a max of 126. I walk a few days here and there when the weather forecast is not calling for a dry 2 hour ride.
49 years young here.
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Walking at a brisk pace for 40 minutes/2.54 miles gave me an average of 115 and a max of 126. I walk a few days here and there when the weather forecast is not calling for a dry 2 hour ride.
49 years young here.
Bill
I don't even download the data, I just look at the numbers while riding. So, it's probably the exact same situation as looking at your speedometer and guessing your average from the numbers you see most often, and the actual average speed is a couple mph slower. My actual average HR would probably be 10% or so lower than the typical cruising HR that I see, and not really 90% for the whole ride.
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I don't know how accurate it is. My assumption is there's going to be some noise, but most of the time it's right at the moment you look at it.
I don't even download the data, I just look at the numbers while riding. So, it's probably the exact same situation as looking at your speedometer and guessing your average from the numbers you see most often, and the actual average speed is a couple mph slower. My actual average HR would probably be 10% or so lower than the typical cruising HR that I see, and not really 90% for the whole ride.
I don't even download the data, I just look at the numbers while riding. So, it's probably the exact same situation as looking at your speedometer and guessing your average from the numbers you see most often, and the actual average speed is a couple mph slower. My actual average HR would probably be 10% or so lower than the typical cruising HR that I see, and not really 90% for the whole ride.
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I had this problem with a previous HRM strap. Then I got the new version of the Garmin. No more issues. My Garmin Edge recognizes the strap, and hence my HR, before I even have it securely attached to my torso. Strap is very comfortable too. I'm very impressed.
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The "rules" have changed for heart-rate training to the point that you need to do a bit of self-testing to see what your max actually is. The old axioms like 220-your age, etc. are not appropriate for most people and have led many to believe they're pushing themselves to the limit when they're actually not.
If you truly ever get close to your max heart rate, you'll notice a big increase in your oxygen demand that, if not met, will cause you to faint. If you haven't reached conditions approaching those, I wouldn't worry about max.
If you truly ever get close to your max heart rate, you'll notice a big increase in your oxygen demand that, if not met, will cause you to faint. If you haven't reached conditions approaching those, I wouldn't worry about max.
I'm a little skeptical about actual fainting though, if you're in reasonable shape. If you stop and overheat maybe, but just backing off and getting your breath back it's not going to happen.
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I haven't used my HR monitor in two years, but your number (175bpm for 30 minutes) seems crazy high. My max HR ever seen on my Garmin was 192, on the trainer, followed by me laying on the floor dry heaving. So I always use that as my theoretical max.
On a typical group ride:
Cruising in the pack, 20-22mph: 125-130 BPM
Pulling the pack, same speed: 140-145 BPM
Solo breakaway: 150-155BPM, could hold it for 30-45 minutes.
Hill climb, with the group: 150-170 BPM, really pace dependant
Aggressive Climb:175-182 BPM, maybe 7 -8 minutes max duration.
I am going from memory, so I may be off +- 5 BPM on the lower sides, but I can say with certainty I could not hold 175 for long. At that rate, my HR is either climbing to failure or on the way back down.
Also, as a for what its worth, a sports doc acquaintance has told me that HR meters are not overtly accurate, but they are amazingly repeatable on an individual. His comment was to use them against your own ranges, as measured by the device, but good luck comparing them to other's data or an EKG. I say this not from personal expertise, but from one guy's comments, so just a food for thought.
On a typical group ride:
Cruising in the pack, 20-22mph: 125-130 BPM
Pulling the pack, same speed: 140-145 BPM
Solo breakaway: 150-155BPM, could hold it for 30-45 minutes.
Hill climb, with the group: 150-170 BPM, really pace dependant
Aggressive Climb:175-182 BPM, maybe 7 -8 minutes max duration.
I am going from memory, so I may be off +- 5 BPM on the lower sides, but I can say with certainty I could not hold 175 for long. At that rate, my HR is either climbing to failure or on the way back down.
Also, as a for what its worth, a sports doc acquaintance has told me that HR meters are not overtly accurate, but they are amazingly repeatable on an individual. His comment was to use them against your own ranges, as measured by the device, but good luck comparing them to other's data or an EKG. I say this not from personal expertise, but from one guy's comments, so just a food for thought.
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I'm curious about how accurate the heart rate monitor itself is at measuring your heart rate?? I just used my Wahoo TICKR for the first time yesterday on a 30 mile ride, (did 30 riding hard and 1.5 cool down), it says I was at 164 average for 74 minutes of that ride. 150 average for 28 minutes of it, 174 plus for 7 minutes.
Walking at a brisk pace for 40 minutes/2.54 miles gave me an average of 115 and a max of 126. I walk a few days here and there when the weather forecast is not calling for a dry 2 hour ride.
49 years young here.
Bill
Walking at a brisk pace for 40 minutes/2.54 miles gave me an average of 115 and a max of 126. I walk a few days here and there when the weather forecast is not calling for a dry 2 hour ride.
49 years young here.
Bill
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Thanks guys. Believe my HRM...a Garmin 500 is accurate. I will add, my HR being up a bit may have something to do with the heat I am riding in this time of year in FL. Its been hot and humid, even in morning riding and big time perspiration...going through 3-4 water bottles in my std. 32 mile ride.
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I don't wear a HRM, but I went back and looked up a recent file where I did ( my power numbers were lagging and I wanted to see if I was dogging it by correlating with HR)
The attached file was 30 minutes of tempo (6-7/10ths perceived effort) into 8 minutes of steady state ( 8/10ths perceved effort, but still below TT pace).
For the 8 minute steady state my average HR was 176, and the high 30 minutes was 169.
That would indicate that I should be able to do a 40k TT averaging at or above 175, which is consistent with my experience, back when I used to pace TTs off HR.
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I don't think so. There's a big individual variability here.
I don't wear a HRM, but I went back and looked up a recent file where I did ( my power numbers were lagging and I wanted to see if I was dogging it by correlating with HR)
The attached file was 30 minutes of tempo (6-7/10ths perceived effort) into 8 minutes of steady state ( 8/10ths perceved effort, but still below TT pace).
For the 8 minute steady state my average HR was 176, and the high 30 minutes was 169.
That would indicate that I should be able to do a 40k TT averaging at or above 175, which is consistent with my experience, back when I used to pace TTs off HR.
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I don't wear a HRM, but I went back and looked up a recent file where I did ( my power numbers were lagging and I wanted to see if I was dogging it by correlating with HR)
The attached file was 30 minutes of tempo (6-7/10ths perceived effort) into 8 minutes of steady state ( 8/10ths perceved effort, but still below TT pace).
For the 8 minute steady state my average HR was 176, and the high 30 minutes was 169.
That would indicate that I should be able to do a 40k TT averaging at or above 175, which is consistent with my experience, back when I used to pace TTs off HR.
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Again, I rarely keep my heart rate in the 170 bpm zone for say more than 20 minutes however was curious what others experienced.
Thanks Merlin.
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At my age my max HR should be around 190. Obviously, the age based formula is not the most accurate one out there, but I've toyed with a couple other formulas and an aggregate method which got me a similar figures so it might be in the ballpark. On most rides I usually peak around 185-187. I've hit 190 once, but that was with a decent amount of caffeine in my system. Most rides, even the 2-3 hour long ones I average in the low 170's. I honestly have no idea what to make of my numbers, except my HR seems a bit high. My max number is just probably off I guess.
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Over time your heart rate should go down as you get fit, or you should be putting out more power with the same heart rate as your fitness improves. Have you seen the strava profiles of the TDF guys? Their heart rates are in the 110's to 120's for the most part. It's absurdly low.
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At my age my max HR should be around 190. Obviously, the age based formula is not the most accurate one out there, but I've toyed with a couple other formulas and an aggregate method which got me a similar figures so it might be in the ballpark. On most rides I usually peak around 185-187. I've hit 190 once, but that was with a decent amount of caffeine in my system. Most rides, even the 2-3 hour long ones I average in the low 170's. I honestly have no idea what to make of my numbers, except my HR seems a bit high. My max number is just probably off I guess.
For me personally, I need to keep my HR between 160 and 165 if I want to go hard on a hill but not blow up (sustained climbing of 30 min. +). The biggest variable I've noticed for my HR and sustained climbs is the temperature (and by association, how hydrated I am). If it's really hot, my HR will climb and my speed will drop. If I let my HR get over 165 for much more than a hairpin I'll pay for it and soon.
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The formulas may have some, limited, validity applied to a population.
They're pretty much worthless for any one individual. On the file I linked my max HR, for a workout that didn't have any all out efforts was 181, 16 beats higher than the formula says I'm capable of in an all out effort.
They're pretty much worthless for any one individual. On the file I linked my max HR, for a workout that didn't have any all out efforts was 181, 16 beats higher than the formula says I'm capable of in an all out effort.
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At my age my max HR should be around 190. Obviously, the age based formula is not the most accurate one out there, but I've toyed with a couple other formulas and an aggregate method which got me a similar figures so it might be in the ballpark. On most rides I usually peak around 185-187. I've hit 190 once, but that was with a decent amount of caffeine in my system. Most rides, even the 2-3 hour long ones I average in the low 170's. I honestly have no idea what to make of my numbers, except my HR seems a bit high. My max number is just probably off I guess.
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I haven't used my HR monitor in two years, but your number (175bpm for 30 minutes) seems crazy high. My max HR ever seen on my Garmin was 192, on the trainer, followed by me laying on the floor dry heaving. So I always use that as my theoretical max.
On a typical group ride:
Cruising in the pack, 20-22mph: 125-130 BPM
Pulling the pack, same speed: 140-145 BPM
Solo breakaway: 150-155BPM, could hold it for 30-45 minutes.
Hill climb, with the group: 150-170 BPM, really pace dependant
Aggressive Climb:175-182 BPM, maybe 7 -8 minutes max duration.
I am going from memory, so I may be off +- 5 BPM on the lower sides, but I can say with certainty I could not hold 175 for long. At that rate, my HR is either climbing to failure or on the way back down.
Also, as a for what its worth, a sports doc acquaintance has told me that HR meters are not overtly accurate, but they are amazingly repeatable on an individual. His comment was to use them against your own ranges, as measured by the device, but good luck comparing them to other's data or an EKG. I say this not from personal expertise, but from one guy's comments, so just a food for thought.
On a typical group ride:
Cruising in the pack, 20-22mph: 125-130 BPM
Pulling the pack, same speed: 140-145 BPM
Solo breakaway: 150-155BPM, could hold it for 30-45 minutes.
Hill climb, with the group: 150-170 BPM, really pace dependant
Aggressive Climb:175-182 BPM, maybe 7 -8 minutes max duration.
I am going from memory, so I may be off +- 5 BPM on the lower sides, but I can say with certainty I could not hold 175 for long. At that rate, my HR is either climbing to failure or on the way back down.
Also, as a for what its worth, a sports doc acquaintance has told me that HR meters are not overtly accurate, but they are amazingly repeatable on an individual. His comment was to use them against your own ranges, as measured by the device, but good luck comparing them to other's data or an EKG. I say this not from personal expertise, but from one guy's comments, so just a food for thought.