1simplexnut

always thought this was a PX10 1985,86 ish . campag NR equipment . Any opinions happily received

auchencrow

Amazing bike! I think that with the Reynolds 531 Pro and Record stuff you have an '85 PZ10 not a PX.

1simplexnut

hiya Auchen
aha ! interesting . Could never figure the difference definitively between PX ,PZ I have another frame very similar (same tubing) but main difference is the use of atax quill seatpost and oddball lever braze ons...
I think I read somewhere they are for shimano 600 levers . they are circular with one tab ?
Anyone confirm what they are and what levers would fit?

Have bodgied up some campag levers to fit but they have no stops(if you get my drift? )

Havent got a pic of bare brazeons unfortunately , but here is the bike in its current setup with the exception of rear derailleur since changed to campagnolo NR

verktyg 

My 54cm 1967 true "barn bike" find. It had about an 1/8" of dust an crud all over. Sat in a shed for over 20 years.

As I received it - after vacuuming some of the crud and removing the bar tape that was falling off. Came with 2 sets of wheels, sewups and clinchers for a price you wouldn't believe!



I bought this early 70s 60cm PX-10 a few years ago. The person I bought it for changed their mind so I still have it.



verktyg

Chas.

gbi

Hello verktyg, nice px-10s. I noticed on the early 70's model that the seat cluster lug and the fork crown are both painted black. Do you think they came painted from the factory or did a previous owner get artistic with a paint brush?

SvenMN 

@1simplexnut

Thanks for posting pictures of your gorgeous Peugeots. Very happy to see that the PZs really do exist.

A 60cm 1985 PZ-10 is my personal grail bike, maybe even ahead of the PY-10FC. I have never seen one here in my part of the world. I was the third owner of a PH-501 in the 90s... rode the wheels off of it. The guy that sold it to me said he bought it from a LBS where it was used as a training bike for their cycling race team. I've not located even one of their race bikes, PZ or PY.

verktyg 

Nah, it's all original. The black painted lugs are a perfect example of bike boom era French Impressionism painting. It must have been done after a 3 litre lunch!




The only changes the original owner made were: a looong reach Cinelli stem replaced the original AVA, he changed the RD from a Simplex Criterium to a Huret Challenger with bar end shifters and the brakes were switched from MAFAC to Universal Mod 68 side pulls. I have all of the old parts in a box that came with it.



The bike is a 60cm. 57cm is the largest size frame I can ride without singing soprano!

I'm hanging on to it until I find some looking for a PX-10 this size.

Since the topic was broached, not PX-10s but close, younger cousins:



verktyg

Chas.

scozim 

I think that '67 is the one I rode - correct? If so, it was a great riding bike.

verktyg 

Hi Scott,

Yes, that was the one. I bought a 1969 TdF about the same time that I got the PX-10 - same $$$ too!. It was a barn bike in the same condition as the PX-10. I rebuilt it but haven't gotten around the the PX-10 yet.



The 1967 PX-10 will look like this too... (when I get it finished).

Before and after pics...


verktyg

Chas.

auchencrow

1simplexnut - I didn't know that Peugeot used DT mounts for Shimano 600 levers. Maybe @miamijim can advise.

Chombi

Isn't that circular aluminum thing at the base of the brazed on bosses just a shaped bushing that goes over the typical square pivot base that is on other Peugeots with brazed on DT shifter bosses? I don't think such will make it automatically a Shimano type DT boss, Otherwise, why aren't there Shimano shifters on that bike?

1simplexnut

Hi Chombi , here is a picture of another frame I found on here with same brazeon . Reading through the postings attached to that picture it would appear it is shimano specific ? Yes that bushing is a standard bushing that has been (ahem) modified to fit the campag levers .
As to why no shimano levers ? I have not been able to find any that would fit this particular brazeon .
I will have a nosey about through old posts and see what I can dredge up but any help will be gratefully accepted

1simplexnut

hiya appears we have very similar tastes in peugeots :-)

miamijim

In the 80's it's often difficult to differentiate between the PX and PZ but it's not a big deal. For the most part they have identical Reynolds 531 frames, from '85 forward the PX uses Columubus SLX tubing.

PX: More less Simplex, Stronglight, Mavic equipped bikes
PZ: More or less Campy equipped bikes.

Shifters: As far as I know Peugeot never used anything but Campy style braze-ons for their DT direct mount shifters. @1simplexbut you only need the proper Campy shifter stops. The ones on your bike now are for something other than Campy shifters and should easily pull off with a pair of pliers.

1simplexnut

Hi Jim , Have a look at the pic of the chrome frame a couple of posts back . The dt braze-ons are the same as my Peugeot. (must take a pic) the adaptor I have used is covering the oddball braze-on to allow use of campagnolo shifters ( not very successfully )

The "standard " square stops will not work on these braze-ons

All a bit of a puzzle really ?

gioscinelli 

Hi @gbi, I took pictures of the Simplex RD, and the code is SGDG, googled and it appears to be early 70's as mentioned by you. Thank you, Mike
Oh, by the way the Peugeot PX 10 rides absolutely great for a 40 year old plus bike!

verktyg 

Chombi, Crow, et al,

Shimano had 3 kinds of braze-on down tube shifter mounts. See below:



The Type B bosses were very rare and nothing interchanged.

Type A bosses came out about the time of the Aero fad. They only worked with Shimano levers from that era but there was a kit available from Shimano that converted them for use with de facto industry standard Campy style levers. Type A bosses used 4.5mm mounting screws vs. the 5mm ones used on Campy style bosses.

Italian or Campagnolo style braze-on bosses were the industry standard style but required special quarter moon shaped mounts that fit over the bosses to work with Shimano levers.





Shimano also made some of the adapters to fit the oversized down tubes on aluminum frames.

BTW, that bike should have had Shimano SIS levers to go along with the 600 gruppo. Wonder why it has Campy levers??? The cable drum on those SR levers is smaller than SIS levers so to get to the largest sprocket the lever needs to be pulled back almost parallel to the down tube!

verktyg

Chas.

miamijim

Your Peugeot has that goofy Shimano specific shifter boss? I never saw that before. Can you take a pic of it?

Chombi

I think Vertyg's last post above kinda points towards the Peugeot having a "Conversion kit" from standard Euro ("Campagnolo type") bosses to Shimano.... And that's what we are seeing on that frame's bosses. Maybe the OP can take of one of the levers to check if that shaped bushing will come off too?
I know that Peugeot went to mostly BSC threading on their bikes in after 84, but I don't think they also went to Shimano type shifter bosses on any of their bikes, or maybe someone can correct me on that?

gbi

Hi, the pulley cage I spoke of are the thin curving metal pieces that hold the two little wheels to the rest of the derailleur. On the back side there can be a numerical code. For example, iirc, a 4 over 71 this should translate to april 1971.

1simplexnut

hi Jim , here you go.

1simplexnut

ah great thank you
thats them . type A .. so it looks like this bike may have started life with shimano 600 etc ?
When I got the beast many moons ago it was a hodge podge of different parts . I seem to remember a pair of those plastic modolo coke spoon levers ?
It has been a wall hanger/ parts donor for other bikes for a long time and as such not had much road use .
Verktyg is probably quite correct about levers being pulled back too far based on the quick play i had with it hanging off a hook in the cave .

gioscinelli 

tu es le meilleur, got the date, it's a 71 Peugeot PX 10!

miamijim

My condolences.

Chombi

Why Peugeot??,......Why??....