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The first chance I get to come to SoCal, I will avail myself to the services of a certain Homeric establishment on a Friday night. The next day, I will make my way down to the track, pin my ass on Quinn's bar, ride him to the rail, and trackstand. I will then proceed to tell him of the lovely dinner I had the night previous. After two minutes and fifty-nine seconds, I will roll ahead, trackstand again, and tell him about dessert.
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But going back to real trackstanding business, I think that the ability is underrated. It seldom gets used, but it's a good tool to have. I've benefitted from the ability numerous times. Without a track nearby, I learned by finding progressive slopes where it was convenient to practice. I first started on a quiet side street using the slope provided by the crown of the road. First on the right side, then on the left side to mimic the track slope. I then went to getting myself sideways on sloping driveways. Ramps that lead into underground parking lots were next. Make sure that you can pull/skip your back wheel up the bank to get yourself pointing down the slope. You control your roll forward/back with the front wheel and back pressure on the left pedal. Turn your front wheel up the track and it will help you roll backwards you'll roll backwards.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1817Jxl1ve0
With the right bike/front wheel angle, you only need moderate back pressure to stay in one spot. You'll know you have the right balance when you're weight is on the back leg, but barely. You should feel as if you could hold it all day. You want your right leg forward as it will help you shoot down the bank when you accelerate on that first stroke. You'll see this set up in all the top sprinter's track stands. You'll also see the exact opposite when they do standing starts because left foot forward helps to keep you straight/up the track.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1817Jxl1ve0
With the right bike/front wheel angle, you only need moderate back pressure to stay in one spot. You'll know you have the right balance when you're weight is on the back leg, but barely. You should feel as if you could hold it all day. You want your right leg forward as it will help you shoot down the bank when you accelerate on that first stroke. You'll see this set up in all the top sprinter's track stands. You'll also see the exact opposite when they do standing starts because left foot forward helps to keep you straight/up the track.
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In this video, Botticher has the better track stand positioning and form. Forstemann is pointing up track and is loading his "go" leg. You want to load your back leg and not your front leg. You'll be able to respond/make a move much quicker and more forcefully in the Botticher stance compared to the Forstemann stance.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-D4UKEa7B8A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-D4UKEa7B8A
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Depends on which BB. This might help - Park Tool Co. » ParkTool Blog » Bottom Bracket Tool Selection
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If you have a part number from the BB, you can use that to determine which tool to buy.
Depends on which BB. This might help - Park Tool Co. » ParkTool Blog » Bottom Bracket Tool Selection
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I should have added this: I will be taking it to a shop that works primarily on fixed and track bikes. Would it be a tool that most shops would have (the shop even carries the Crankset on their website) or is it an uncommon bb tool?
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Received and installed my Campagnolo track cranks this evening. I used the existing crank bolts that I had as the BB or cranks do not come with them. I noticed that the dust covers will not install fully as they bottom out on the crank bolt. I am assuming I need a bolt with a shallower head. I also think that bolt is supposed to be a 15mm hex bolt. Can anyone recommend a crank bolt which has worked for them with these cranks? I saw someone selling Campagnolo 15mm bolts on ebay for $35 for a set, but their ought to be other options? Will a 14mm bolt work the same?
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Received and installed my Campagnolo track cranks this evening. I used the existing crank bolts that I had as the BB or cranks do not come with them. I noticed that the dust covers will not install fully as they bottom out on the crank bolt. I am assuming I need a bolt with a shallower head. I also think that bolt is supposed to be a 15mm hex bolt. Can anyone recommend a crank bolt which has worked for them with these cranks? I saw someone selling Campagnolo 15mm bolts on ebay for $35 for a set, but their ought to be other options? Will a 14mm bolt work the same?
The Campy bolts are stamped:
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Thanks! Yeah I don't really care what the bolts are, as long as I can get the dust caps on. I've read with 15mm bolts it can be hard to get a socket in there without a thinner socket like a peanut butter wrench. I was wondering this morning if it might be worth trying a 14mm Sugino hex bolt instead.
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Thanks! Yeah I don't really care what the bolts are, as long as I can get the dust caps on. I've read with 15mm bolts it can be hard to get a socket in there without a thinner socket like a peanut butter wrench. I was wondering this morning if it might be worth trying a 14mm Sugino hex bolt instead.
I would just forget about using dust caps (I don't use them on my track bike). Alternately take your existing bolts to a machinist and have them thin down the head (you could also machine down a socket at the same time). My bike has campy cranks but is at the velodrome so unable to check bolt size.
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14 and 15 mm bolts have different thread dimensions so I do not recommend using the wrong size.
I would just forget about using dust caps (I don't use them on my track bike). Alternately take your existing bolts to a machinist and have them thin down the head (you could also machine down a socket at the same time). My bike has campy cranks but is at the velodrome so unable to check bolt size.
I would just forget about using dust caps (I don't use them on my track bike). Alternately take your existing bolts to a machinist and have them thin down the head (you could also machine down a socket at the same time). My bike has campy cranks but is at the velodrome so unable to check bolt size.
I did notice the crank arm clearances are a bit odd. The NDS crank arm is much closer than the DS. I will have to measure tonight. I put those bolts in there pretty tight and wouldn't feel comfortable putting them on any tighter. Not sure if its normal for the DS to have so much more clearance than the NDS?
BB/chainstays are symmetrical and I am using the matching Campagnolo pista BB with 111mm spindle.
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Bolts usually come with the BB in my experience.
But who uses dust caps?
But who uses dust caps?
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wiggle.com | Campagnolo Record Pista Track Bottom Bracket | Bottom Brackets
Here is a photo.
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This is the BB I ordered. Cranks are brand new as well and yes track cranks.
wiggle.com | Campagnolo Record Pista Track Bottom Bracket | Bottom Brackets
Here is a photo.
wiggle.com | Campagnolo Record Pista Track Bottom Bracket | Bottom Brackets
Here is a photo.
When you mentioned that it looked like one crank arm was further from the frame than the other it made me wonder if you had an asymmetrical road BB.
It's weird that you bought them new and there were no crank fixing bolts. I've never bought Campy cranks new, so I'm not sure if they come with the kit or separately. But, they should come with them, you'd think.
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I did a bit of searching and apparently they were supposed to come with them. At least that is just a cosmetic issue at this point. The BB everyone says is symmetrical but Campagnolo lists it the pista BB as asymmetrical for some reason.
I'll try to get a photo tonight if I have time to pick-up my bike from the track. The frame definitely as asymmetrical chainstays as well. The clearance itself isn't an issue, I'd say I probably have maybe 3mm on the NDS, but on the NDS theres more than that, at least double. I firmed up those crank bolts more than I have with other square taper cranks (and I own quite a few), but don't want to try to force it any further. I put cranks on ungreased as specified by Campagnolo. You can still see there is some more taper/spindle in front of the crank arm, but that is pretty typical in my experience. I'll measure the chainline as well. I suppose none of this is really an issue if chainline is correct.
I'll try to get a photo tonight if I have time to pick-up my bike from the track. The frame definitely as asymmetrical chainstays as well. The clearance itself isn't an issue, I'd say I probably have maybe 3mm on the NDS, but on the NDS theres more than that, at least double. I firmed up those crank bolts more than I have with other square taper cranks (and I own quite a few), but don't want to try to force it any further. I put cranks on ungreased as specified by Campagnolo. You can still see there is some more taper/spindle in front of the crank arm, but that is pretty typical in my experience. I'll measure the chainline as well. I suppose none of this is really an issue if chainline is correct.
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I think Campy packages crank bolts with their cranks, not their bottom brackets.
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I'm always interested in seeing what other people use component-wise in their setups. What do olympic/national tend to use? I've tried looking online but haven't found certain components. I know Mavic iO + Comete is the standard for wheels, but what do most athletes use for cranks, handlebars (integrated bar and stem I suppose), pedals, saddles? I also assume parts and specs are fairly consistent across the board due to regulations.
Not that I am ever going to have a bike setup like this, but I am always curious when watching clips.
Not that I am ever going to have a bike setup like this, but I am always curious when watching clips.
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I'm always interested in seeing what other people use component-wise in their setups. What do olympic/national tend to use? I've tried looking online but haven't found certain components. I know Mavic iO + Comete is the standard for wheels, but what do most athletes use for cranks, handlebars (integrated bar and stem I suppose), pedals, saddles? I also assume parts and specs are fairly consistent across the board due to regulations.
Not that I am ever going to have a bike setup like this, but I am always curious when watching clips.
Not that I am ever going to have a bike setup like this, but I am always curious when watching clips.
Also, specific questions get specific answers.