Titanium or Steel
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I might be looking at buying another bike, told my wife this one would last forever, so I am thinking about Titanium or Steel. I don't race, just ride between ride between 30 and 100 miles. I currently ride about 125 miles a week. I am looking for a nice and comfortable bike. I have looked at Torelli and Moots so far. Any suggestions? Pro/cons?
This is my custom Ti from 2001. Just took this pic a couple days ago. Bike hasn't been ridden in 5 years because I got back into racing but it's still a beautiful bike.
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Hi-Mod carbon fiber is fragile, but my Pedal Force RS frame is anything but fragile.
Cannondale frames from the 80s were crazy stiff, but a Vitus 979 frame is a noodle...
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I got my steel Waterford in 1992. For the last 14 years it is a weekend bike but kept year round in a shed 15 feet from the Cheaspeake Bay salt water. I ride it all along the water and get it gritty with sand at times. It has no rust, at least on the outside.
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Also, since the Stainless steel has such a high Ultimate Tensile Strength, it's usually drawn out to extremely thin-walled tubes, which makes them pretty easy to dent.
For these reasons, I do think Ti is a more practical choice of materials than high-end stainless steel.
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953 is very tough stainless. Probably not much different to work than Ti.
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Boeshield
Boeshield T-9® | Corrosion Protection and Waterproof Lubrication
It sprays on and has some wax like properties. Works great on stainless in marine applications, for example.
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Boeshield T-9® | Corrosion Protection and Waterproof Lubrication
It sprays on and has some wax like properties. Works great on stainless in marine applications, for example.
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Stainless is great, but it seems even more expensive than Ti. Stainless is also a bit more high maintenance than Ti, as it's not 100% corrosion resistant.
Also, since the Stainless steel has such a high Ultimate Tensile Strength, it's usually drawn out to extremely thin-walled tubes, which makes them pretty easy to dent.
For these reasons, I do think Ti is a more practical choice of materials than high-end stainless steel.
Also, since the Stainless steel has such a high Ultimate Tensile Strength, it's usually drawn out to extremely thin-walled tubes, which makes them pretty easy to dent.
For these reasons, I do think Ti is a more practical choice of materials than high-end stainless steel.
I guess, at least around here, the Ti frames are more expensive than stainless ones yet they have very similar properties.
I have a bike that is stainless, weighs 16.3 lbs (roughly 57cm size frame) and I can assure you it is not easy to dent.
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Well I have one of those Ti bikes for under 2K, and it has all those things the pricey brands have, and sometimes more. For starters how about shaped top and down tubes. Curved and shaped seat and chain stays. Very nice welds. Just doesnt have the name, for which I could give a %¦<%`. More expensive often does not mean better.
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Well I have one of those Ti bikes for under 2K, and it has all those things the pricey brands have, and sometimes more. For starters how about shaped top and down tubes. Curved and shaped seat and chain stays. Very nice welds. Just doesnt have the name, for which I could give a %¦<%`. More expensive often does not mean better.
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Though didn't Soma have a stainless bike? Or someone like that? I think there was a problem of inadequate supply...or am I imagining all that.
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EDIT: OK reading your post you seem to be saying that a survey of local framebuilders revealed that you could get a Stainless frame built cheaper than a Ti frame, or at least you got "more for your money" for stainless, whatever that means.
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Ain't gonna happen. Stainless is available in very few stock bicycles, mostly custom. Ti is mostly an off-the-shelf item and some custom too. Hence, the price range of Ti is much wider than stainless and penetrates much further down on the low side.
Though didn't Soma have a stainless bike? Or someone like that? I think there was a problem of inadequate supply...or am I imagining all that.
Though didn't Soma have a stainless bike? Or someone like that? I think there was a problem of inadequate supply...or am I imagining all that.
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When I had a custom frame built last year, I spent a lot of time looking at available Ti frames and custom frame builders in steel, TI and Stainless. Maybe it's my engineering background that makes me obsess about thsi stuff or something but what found was that, in general, I could get a lot more frame for less money in stainless than I could in Ti for a given set of requirements and workmanship. YMMV and I'm glad you're happy with your bike.
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My Ti frame was built in Taiwan and compares very favorable to US standard built Ti frames at a fraction of the cost. The bike I bought would have been 3.5-6 times more expensive for nearly comparable bike from one of the US Ti builders without nearly as much tube shaping as the Taiwanese frame etc. Would have loved to have bought US made, but literally multiple thousands of dollars difference in price
Side note. I love the ideal of a Stainless Steel bike. I have not seen one to my knowledge, and would love to ride one for a couple of weeks for comparison.
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I don't know about the Triple-Cross, but SOMA produced a stainless steel version of the Smoothie a couple of years ago. It was fillet brazed KVA MS2 and sold for $2,000.
EDIT - Here's the KVA MS2 fillet brazed Triple-Cross.
EDIT - Here's the KVA MS2 fillet brazed Triple-Cross.
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