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Old 07-16-16, 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by aubiecat View Post
I weighed the OEM bottom bracket, it came out to 128 grams. (The photo shows 127 but I left the seal off which weights one gram)
The Wheels Mfg. bottom bracket weighs 164 grams.
A weight penalty of 36.

Really? I got the higher weight for the OEM part, about 165 g.
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Really? I got the higher weight for the OEM part, about 165 g.
Maybe it's the scale. I'l try it on my mail scale and see what I get.
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Here is my finished Workswell R-066. In the first picture it is 15.44 lbs as it sits with pedals for a 56cm. So far I'm very happy with it. The second pic was on my ride this morning and it is super fun to ride. Steering is very responsive, and it is extremely solid. Not a creak whatsoever; total silence. Couldn't be happier with the purchase so far. Thanks to everyone in this thread that helped.






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Originally Posted by BigPoser View Post
Here is my finished Workswell R-066. In the first picture it is 15.44 lbs as it sits with pedals for a 56cm. So far I'm very happy with it. The second pic was on my ride this morning and it is super fun to ride. Steering is very responsive, and it is extremely solid. Not a creak whatsoever; total silence. Couldn't be happier with the purchase so far. Thanks to everyone in this thread that helped.






Congrats BP,

It sure turned out to be a beauty. And I'm glad the ride lives up to your expectations.

I have just completed ordering everything for my 066 this weekend. The only thing I'm holding off on ordering is the saddle.

Iris @ Workswell was a pleasure to work with and the last thing I spoke to her about on Fri was adding an extra hanger for my rear derailleur. Something that is frequently overlooked.

I too want to thank all of those who have been so kind adding their input and guidance. It is so much fun sharing an interest and passion to build with like minded folks.
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Glad for you, dude. I hope you enjoy the build a lot and the ride even more.
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Question about doing the internal cable routing. I haven't ordered my frame yet, so I don't know the answer, but do you run outer housing through the frame, or is it just that thin inner sheath? Looking back over this and the previous thread, it kind of looks like both are used? Where do you get the inner sheath if you are supposed to use that? Does the frame come with it?

I'm sure I'll have more questions about this later...
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Originally Posted by cthenn View Post
Question about doing the internal cable routing. I haven't ordered my frame yet, so I don't know the answer, but do you run outer housing through the frame, or is it just that thin inner sheath? Looking back over this and the previous thread, it kind of looks like both are used? Where do you get the inner sheath if you are supposed to use that? Does the frame come with it?

I'm sure I'll have more questions about this later...
No outer inside the frame and no inner sheath. Just inner cable wire.
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Originally Posted by cthenn View Post
Question about doing the internal cable routing. I haven't ordered my frame yet, so I don't know the answer, but do you run outer housing through the frame, or is it just that thin inner sheath? Looking back over this and the previous thread, it kind of looks like both are used? Where do you get the inner sheath if you are supposed to use that? Does the frame come with it?

I'm sure I'll have more questions about this later...
Just think of internal cable routing as old school outer routing in reverse. Older frames have external cable housing stops for brakes and shifter cables. So instead of the bare cable being on the outside of the frame it's on the inside. The frame comes with plugs that act as cable housing stops.

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Old 07-25-16, 01:44 PM
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Not that is matters for this particular frame, but lots of disc frames are built for full length outers for compatibility with hydraulic brake lines.
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Oh OK then what was I looking at in those other posts looked like blue inner housing?
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Originally Posted by cthenn View Post
Oh OK then what was I looking at in those other posts looked like blue inner housing?
No accounting for personal idiosyncrasies. Inner sheath is simply not part of the frame design. It isn't at all required.
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Originally Posted by clubber View Post
This https://www.alibaba.com/showroom/tai...ke-frames.html is the Alibaba link I was referring to. Not sure why they refer to the frames as Taiwan frames though.
Click through to the details.

"Place of Origin: Guangdong, China (Mainland)"
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Originally Posted by rpenmanparker View Post
No accounting for personal idiosyncrasies. Inner sheath is simply not part of the frame design. It isn't at all required.
I put a small piece of the inner sheath where the FD cable comes out of the BB area into the FD. There is a hole in there but I saw many pictures of the cable actually cutting through the carbon if it is in direct contact with the frame.
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I put a small piece of the inner sheath where the FD cable comes out of the BB area into the FD. There is a hole in there but I saw many pictures of the cable actually cutting through the carbon if it is in direct contact with the frame.
so then where do you get that stuff? I haven't been able to find it.
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so then where do you get that stuff? I haven't been able to find it.
Likely no harm from using the sheath, but to the best of my knowledge most of us haven't bothered with it. I saw no place where the cable could/would attack the frame. I would post a photo of my setup except that I am 2,200 miles away from my Workswell 066...and will be for several more weeks. Oh well.
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Likely no harm from using the sheath, but to the best of my knowledge most of us haven't bothered with it. I saw no place where the cable could/would attack the frame. I would post a photo of my setup except that I am 2,200 miles away from my Workswell 066...and will be for several more weeks. Oh well.
As you said, may not be necessary but no harm done. The theory is that the cable under tension moving up and down with FD shifts could start sewing through the frame.
This is like 6-7 inches of inner cable, not much, just enough to provide some protection

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I may have been wrong about the creaking noise in my bottom bracket. While I was riding a rental bike in California I was using the same pedals I had previously installed on the 066. Those pedals and/or the combination of my shoes were squeaking pretty bad. It occurred to me that I should try another set of pedals on the 066 to see if I'd misdiagnosed the noise.
Sure enough, I went out on a test ride yesterday, with the other pedals, and there was no bottom bracket creaking noise that I could tell.
I'm going to be riding in a century ride Saturday so I will have a real good idea about this bike after that.
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I may have been wrong about the creaking noise in my bottom bracket. While I was riding a rental bike in California I was using the same pedals I had previously installed on the 066. Those pedals and/or the combination of my shoes were squeaking pretty bad. It occurred to me that I should try another set of pedals on the 066 to see if I'd misdiagnosed the noise.
Sure enough, I went out on a test ride yesterday, with the other pedals, and there was no bottom bracket creaking noise that I could tell.
I'm going to be riding in a century ride Saturday so I will have a real good idea about this bike after that.
What pedals? Keos can be resurrected by packing the insides completely full of grease.
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It occurred to me that I should try another set of pedals on the 066 to see if I'd misdiagnosed the noise.
Sure enough, I went out on a test ride yesterday, with the other pedals, and there was no bottom bracket creaking noise that I could tell.
Glad you posted this. I will feel a lot easier about fitting my bottom bracket now. Thanks.
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What pedals? Keos can be resurrected by packing the insides completely full of grease.
Shimano PD-A600. I repacked them but apparently they don't agree with my shoes. I ordered another set of cleats, maybe that will help. Heck it might even be time for a new pair of shoes.
In the mean time I am using the Shimano PD-M540 pedals with good results. I've used these pedals on all ten of the century rides I've take part in this year.
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Glad you posted this. I will feel a lot easier about fitting my bottom bracket now. Thanks.
I concur. Reason being I just got my BBright-out-1 bottom bracket and shiny new universal press (definitely worth the $35) a couple of days ago. Now all I need is a frame to press it into. Hope to get confirmation it has been shipped in the next couple of days. Just want to thank you boys again for pointing me in the right (get it...bbRIGHT?) direction.
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BTW, I sold my WW-066 supplied BB adapter for decent money on ebay very quickly. I think about $40, but it could have been only $20. Plus shipping. It has been a while. Who can remember stuff like that?
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couple questions about the 066. what are the dropouts, carbon or alloy? Can you get them in a 58? The geometry chart only says up to 56, which isn't enough reach for me. Is the stock finish a matte paint or matte clear over UD carbon? How is the stiffness? Biggest tire anyone is using?

You all are making very compelling cases for my new bike to be a 066. Even with my discount at work, a frame I would actually like to own costs more than the projected cost of the entire build with one of these. Since Ill race the thing, I would rather not have a ton tied up in the frame.
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Dropouts are carbon.
I think 56 is the largest you can get.
Mine has a uniform matte finish which tells me it's clear coated with matte paint.
It's pretty stiff but feels better to me than my aluminum frame road bike. It didn't beat me to death on the rough rural roads.
I use Conti 4000s II 25mm tires which are actually larger than 25mm. I can't personally say if you could fit 28's in there but these fat 4000s II tires work.

I rode in a century ride Saturday and I am in love with this frame. It's the first time that my hands didn't hurt after so spending long on the bike, 103 miles - 6:29 riding time. Anybody wanting a carbon race frame it's one of the best deals, if not the best, going right now.

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Originally Posted by aubiecat View Post
Dropouts are alloy.
That's a derailer hanger if its replaceable. The dropout is the cutout where the wheel goes on the fork and rear triangle. Some frames use an alloy tab here, others are carbon.
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