"Rolling Coal" getting spewed in southern Ohio
09-11-17, 04:29 PM
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However, many of the same environmental impacts/carbon footprint issues apply to fossil fuel powered cars (maybe not so much batteries, but steel and aluminum production, plastics, tires, glass, etc. are much the same).
The question is whether the *overall* footprint is different. Over a vehicle's lifetime, the manufacturing footprint of a hybrid or electric car is probably compensated for sooner than a gas-powered car. I say "probably" because I don't have a source for that... but I would be very surprised if it's not true.
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09-11-17, 04:37 PM
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Statistics can mean just about whatever you want them to mean (for and against hybrids/electrics and a host of other things).
09-13-17, 07:32 AM
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As to why Priuses: they were the original "eco-friendly" car, bought up by evangelical environmentalists. South Park did a whole episode on their "smug". Teslas aren't really marketed towards environmentalists, they are more geared towards the performance/techy well-to-do crowd. I doubt most people even know what a Leaf is, they aren't really all that well known or identifiable from any other cheap econobox. Any other hybrid is rather indistinguishable from its non-hybrid counterparts unless you are looking for tiny little badges.
09-13-17, 08:09 AM
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The other thing about the Prius is it's a funny looking thing (at least the older ones). I refer to mine as "The Silver Cockroach".
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09-13-17, 09:19 AM
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It's probably because the Prius was the first widely-sold hybrid, and those early models *were* pretty weird!
I don't take it as an insult at all. I'll take a lot of ribbing while I'm driving around averaging 45 - 50 MPG. The ribbing will mostly disappear when gas prices get back over $5 a gallon.
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I don't take it as an insult at all. I'll take a lot of ribbing while I'm driving around averaging 45 - 50 MPG. The ribbing will mostly disappear when gas prices get back over $5 a gallon.
Steve
Edit: I'm pleasantly surprised that Toyota has a 100,000 mile warranty on the battery. Also replacement seems to be around $3000 or less depending on where you go. I was thinking it would be higher...
https://www.greencarreports.com/news/...s-battery-dies
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09-13-17, 12:21 PM
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09-13-17, 02:14 PM
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no, when I call the police to report something, I call the non emergency # of the closest police station & start by saying: "this is not an emergency" I have all the towns' police #s in the towns that I ride in my phone. too many times I've called to have the dispatcher say, that's not my town, you have to call such & such ...
09-13-17, 04:55 PM
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"Rolling coal" and worse has been a problem since I began riding a bike, a long time ago. And if there are fewer such trucks in California (where I spent many years riding), there are many others kinds of vehicles and drivers, who express their anger at sharing the road in other ways. I have never seen more road rage fights (people duking it out on the road) than I have in California.
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The problem is that those guys with the big trucks also tend to be carrying a gun somewhere under their bellies.
"Rolling coal" and worse has been a problem since I began riding a bike, a long time ago. And if there are fewer such trucks in California (where I spent many years riding), there are many others kinds of vehicles and drivers, who express their anger at sharing the road in other ways. I have never seen more road rage fights (people duking it out on the road) than I have in California.
"Rolling coal" and worse has been a problem since I began riding a bike, a long time ago. And if there are fewer such trucks in California (where I spent many years riding), there are many others kinds of vehicles and drivers, who express their anger at sharing the road in other ways. I have never seen more road rage fights (people duking it out on the road) than I have in California.
The problem lies in their ability to find said weapons under all that blubber in order to be effective in time to respond with any sense of immediacy! But, I tend to agree (and I've said before!) that it is wise not to go too far out of your way to antagonize bubbas.
As for California having the most road rage incidents, I suppose that is only to be expected since California is the most populous state in the nation by far.
09-13-17, 10:03 PM
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In any case, if one were regularly smoking me out, there really isn't much stopping me from taking that same visible action before resorting to water bottle tossing.
09-14-17, 03:12 AM
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For whatever reason, when people are behind the wheel of a vehicle, they tend to become more aggressive than they might otherwise be. People who are normally easygoing and polite can become quite obnoxious. Bump shoulders with someone on a sidewalk, train, or bus, and there is usually a quick apology. Cut someone off on a road or highway, or impeding someone from driving as they want to drive often leads to stupidly aggressive, dangerous behavior. I was a cop in South Florida, and learned that finding a gun in one of these redneck trucks was as common as finding a box of snuff. It's part of the image.
09-14-17, 09:51 AM
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If they're sociopathic enough to modify their truck to produce excess pollution in order to smoke people on the side of the road out to get a few jollies, they're likely to also be carrying a firearm and probably wouldn't have qualms about using it.
09-14-17, 10:17 AM
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Really no different than saying all kitted out roadies disregard traffic regulations to purposefully cause problems, thinking they are above the law.
09-14-17, 11:14 AM
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Hot rodding is a lot different than modifying an engine to deliberately spew black smoke on someone at the push of a button. One is a show of machismo, the other is totally antisocial and sociopathic behavior. I would not be offended by someone who peeled out at at a stop light, but someone who deliberately tries to pollute my lungs with partially burnt hydrocarbons is another story.
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Both are reckless actions to get a rise out of the user and elicit a response out of whomever is around them. One and the same in my book.
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It's illegal, even in rural Ohio. From 2014
Federal Law also:
But roll coal on a public highway in view of a state trooper, and you are looking at a ticket for “excessive smoke.”
The section of the Ohio Revised Code that prohibits smokey vehicles also applies to loud mufflers. It’s enforced, too, Ohio State Highway Patrol records show. Since 2011, 67 tickets have been issued for either loud or smokey mufflers in Montgomery County, eight tickets in Clark, 15 in Greene, one in Darke, four in Miami, 10 in Warren and 20 in Butler.
Erie County must be a hot spot for muffler malfunction - either intentional or not - because it by far tops enforcement in the state with 261 tickets issued.
“Obviously, the Ohio Revised Code covers the fact that you can’t modify a vehicle to spew excessive smoke,” said Ohio State Patrol Spokesman Craig Cvetan “We have no jurisdiction on private property. If a trooper finds a vehicle out on the road like that, we will take enforcement action. Everybody has the same rights on the roadway, and you have the right to drive without inhaling excessive smoke.”
The section of the Ohio Revised Code that prohibits smokey vehicles also applies to loud mufflers. It’s enforced, too, Ohio State Highway Patrol records show. Since 2011, 67 tickets have been issued for either loud or smokey mufflers in Montgomery County, eight tickets in Clark, 15 in Greene, one in Darke, four in Miami, 10 in Warren and 20 in Butler.
Erie County must be a hot spot for muffler malfunction - either intentional or not - because it by far tops enforcement in the state with 261 tickets issued.
“Obviously, the Ohio Revised Code covers the fact that you can’t modify a vehicle to spew excessive smoke,” said Ohio State Patrol Spokesman Craig Cvetan “We have no jurisdiction on private property. If a trooper finds a vehicle out on the road like that, we will take enforcement action. Everybody has the same rights on the roadway, and you have the right to drive without inhaling excessive smoke.”
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