Originally Posted by Mobile 155

So you are saying with a bad economy we would have developed these things anyway? That we would have been able to fund the research to develop good medical care on an economy without the auto industry? I am rather doubtful. I say again how did we get to where we are today and would we have done so with an economy driven by bicycles and walking? I think that is a stretch. Ambulances are from the auto industry without it you have no ambulances period. You would have to wait till the doctor rode his bike to you. That was the part about wanting the parts we like and not wanting the parts we don't like. Without the auto industry there would be no delivery trucks to deliver food. Your car free has lots of caveats. I said imagine no auto industry. and yes it was a leading question, it was intended to be. I wanted you to picture a country with no auto related vehicles. By the way my drivers were all all still alive last time I checked and more than likely healthier than the average American that eats just like they do without hard work. The retired ones are pretty active and hunt and fish and hike if Facebook is to be believed. I was pretty lucky I guess and never lost one to an accident. I did lose one to drugs but that was after I let him go. He was car free by the time he died however.

As an aside, you forgot the link on Longevity by nation but I looked it up. How did we fare against any nations that never had an auto industry? Or at least common auto use? I have been to a few so I can guess.

Originally Posted by cooker

I added that link late sorry. Of course I want the good parts of modern life and not the bad parts. Don't you? We can't go back and see how the US economy would have developed without such a focus on cars, but modern life expectancy and western industrial development both started to increase and outpace third world countries long before cars came on the scene. Had there not been cars, it's easy to imagine economic development continuing in some other way. Those poor countries that never built cars likely never had a pharmaceutical industry or a mechanized agriculture industry (which started before the car industry) or a rail building industry or many other industries, and are probably also in many cases casualties of colonization where their economic development was stifled by conquest, so to suggest lack of cars is the source of their poverty is pretty much a stretch.

Originally Posted by bp2k8

aso @Mobile 155 in ref to dreaming is only helpful when action is taken what do u say to people who dream on a silly surface layer of less traffic on the road but when presented with this coming to fruition to accomplish this, they themselves can not stop using their car and refuse to do it...how is that not taking action? Meaning many people dream but refuse to take action even though they drive a car or have a house or may seem like they are accomplishing many things. I dont even believe this world is real personally. I work with kids age 5-9 as a teacher and they dream just for the purity of dreaming and being in the present moment...and kids are the closest thing to our creator and are less manipulated so I am siding with them.

Originally Posted by bp2k8

being a fireman is not a dream. That is domestication. Children have no idea of occupations until they learn what they are. I am talking about dreams of pure illustration and creativity. My dreams even to this day resemble movies or anime or liquid artistic creation. I dont dream of owning and living in a mansion with a nice car and working my favorite occupation lol

You missed my point completely. I am simply saying people dream of less traffic or safer roads for driving etc yet they do nothing on their own accord to contribute to the dream. They continue to drive often, text while driving etc. You must be losing your marbles to think this country is even dreaming at all. There is a complete lack of dreaming at the moment and it can be seen in every facet from lack of creativity in media, lack of conversation sin depth in all areas of society, etc

I dont think we will ever understand each other as you seem to approach everything with logic but logic never works. Science which is based on logic, cannot even explain what love is or what is proper diet for humans ,etc! Think of the type that donates to find a cancer cure....sadly there are many but science and big pharma will never use it as its not marketable or able to be patented. I can name hundreds of logical things people do that make no true sense. I know people who go to church and then right after head to pancake house and get bacon lol Now if one likes bacon fine but in every religious document it is said to be an unfit animal to eat or domesticate other than for purposes of cleaning aka eating all waste lol Point is logic only resonates with people who think logically.

Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike

I predict that LCF will now be twice as "entertaining" with a dynamic duo of so-called LCF enlightenment.

Originally Posted by bp2k8

@McBTC @Mobile 155 @badger1
Let me preface my post by saying you think I like feeling different than people? I do not hate anyone on here or in real life but its obvious that logical thinking has never been my specialty and I do notice it and it makes me look inferior to guys like you all who seem to have proper answers that make sense to most people. I am simply expressing myself in the way that is natural for me. I was born with this mind this way and I often rub people the wrong way as they dont understand when I speak or take my words as if they are laced with hostility. I am more so frustrated with the current state of the world as I do not know how to improve it without the help of others but often other people do not think my expressions "make sense"

I guess my question is for people who respond with the meme above like this than what exactly is your answer to issues mentioned? It seems to me that logic and thinking positive etc and feeling at peace is in itself a coping mechanism. If one loses a limb and thinks positively they are viewed as strong and positive. If one thinks of it angry or seems grim about future its viewed as weak or negative BOTH are simply thought constructs. Not one is better than another and the same applies

Logic and common sense is what built this matrix and it has never been righteous nor what humans are meant to experience

We live in a worse state than sodom & gomorrah and people think that logic is keeping things moving properly...

Think of the common mega-mall. It was and to some to this day seems logical to build them and appreciate/shop in them but yet look at the current state of malls and Mega malls. They are decrepit and hardly used so what was once a logical and monetary decision is not a big eyesore and waste of space.

Just because things are prettier and more organized does not mean its progress. For every argument saying we live longer I can prove countless times otherwise. What some consider living is simply a delusion and inability to want to move on/fear of death/fear of leaving loved ones or aspects of material behind. This goes for people who actually physically pass on as well.

P.s. I dont complain to mods nor do I talk to anyone much anymore other than my students for reason like here. Adults always feel they have all the answers. I DO NOT I am simply saying the current state of things are built on logic and its a prison for people who dont think logically.

Originally Posted by Mobile 155

If someone believed they were that destructive they would demand that the car was sold and everyone in the house were car free. But they don't.

Originally Posted by bp2k8

@McBTC I agree with you! But how in the world does this refute my statements about people overusing their cars, eating improperly, believing they are powerful etc/. Last I checked we are at the bottom of the food chain as mere parasites, protozoans and bacteria can wipe us out with ease!

I think the liberty and initiative you mention is an illusion. I used to think this country has freedom till you realize it does not especially depending on what you do and what you look like. I was told I walk too aggressively at work from the camera footage yet people chain smoke out the front of the school -
teachers and students but thats ok! HOw is that ok!?

Freedom aint not free lol

Originally Posted by bp2k8

Correct... MOST (but not all thankfully) of mankind at its current iteration are following the devil's/masonry work and is evident in all aspect as...
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Originally Posted by bp2k8

Correct... MOST (but not all thankfully) of mankind at its current iteration are following the devil's/masonry work and is evident in all aspect as.


cars/trucks should be for business purposes like transporting food to a farmers market however even without such a caveat...
However without cars there would be no fast food etc so people would have to resort to growing their own food as well as eating meat and wild game if they choose to eat that way.


No cigarettes in nature so if someone was addicted to this - closest aspect would be tobacco leaf.

People would learn to appreciate all people as each individual has a unique gift from our creator to utilize. People would learn to think uniquely instead of sheeple and herd mindset. I have rarely seen any young person in florida by themselves. Only people I see alone walking or being true to themselves are people over 40 and its because they recognize the truth that we are born alone and die alone so they embrace self.

Originally Posted by bp2k8

I am not a bible thumper however I call it as it stands fit.

Originally Posted by bp2k8

What you call common sense can be flipped to work against you though. You mean to say things you are USED to might not be so understood by others. Not everyone lives in the same reality as you. I think its common sense to avoid pork but to some its normal as eating an apple.
P.S. quoting some dead french guy is the same thing as logical thinking which to me is not as useful as following one's intuition and soul. Why would some guy long ago have any relevance to me.