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Old 10-06-18, 05:25 PM
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Not being a internet guru I am not sure how to get the pictures from E-bay to here. I tried to copy the address and tried to save the pictures to my computer and didn't get either to work. I'll post some when it gets here unless someone can enlighten me on how to get them off E-bay.
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I'm not really a computer guy either , but here goes ... I think it's called a screen shot and some times I can't get it to work when I try it on google images .
mouse left click on image to enlarge it , mouse over image and right click now left click on copy and minimize that window go back to BF and and right click then left click on paste .

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I'm not really a computer guy either , but here goes ... I think it's called a screen shot and some times I can't get it to work when I try it on google images .
mouse left click on image to enlarge it , mouse over image and right click now left click on copy and minimize that window go back to BF and and right click then left click on paste .




Here it is. Not a very good picture but I got it to work from my phone

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Here is the 88 Master E-bay bike. Its 56cm. I took the wheels off my 89 for a test ride. It came complete less wheels. I think the only original part on it is the headset and maybe the seat post.
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@TXsailor: How's the handling with that angled shorty stem? I'm considering a shorter stem while my injured shoulder heals. I already switched from the long original to a shorter stem earlier this year, but after the injury in May it's been difficult to do more than 20-30 miles on the Ironman.

Main difference I've noticed with the slightly shorter stem (80mm CTC vs 115 for the original) is handling and balance are just a bit twitchier when I'm standing to pedal. I don't notice the difference on the indoor trainer, but off the bike I notice when I don't ride the Ironman outside often enough. Overall handling is still fine, though, and generally more comfortable before the shoulder injury.

With the long original stem handling is very stable, including fast curves and downhills, but I'm too stretched out. Might be better with aero bars.

I'm also pondering something like the Nitto Noodle drop bars, something with shorter reach across the bar top to the hoods, less drop, and a little less reach on the drops. But that's a more expensive solution.

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c-cat,... Interesting topic.

On my 56cm frames, I run either a 70mm Cinelli or an 80mm modern stem, including a 56cm Ironman.
On my 54cm frames, I run a 90mm stem, including a 54cm Ironman.

To me, the 56cm bikes are more stable, even descending twisties.

Last weekend, on many curving descents, I had to focus harder to stay smooth and graceful on the 54cm Raleigh with a 90mm stem. One of my recurring thoughts was "I'd be carving this up on my Ironman." At the beginning of some descents, I felt like I was too far forward.

(On my 53cm Serotta, I run a 95mm stem, and it's still too short for my liking.)

I find it interesting. I'm not sure what seems to overrule what, as far as size vs. geometry vs. stem length. My 56cm Super Corsa, with a 90mm stem, was too twitchy to ride. The geometry had me "up on it" way more than I preferred.
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Robbie and I are about the same size with the same body dimensions. I am heavier, though. He has the talent and the good looks, and I have the charming personality. I also run 80ish stems on the 56s and 90ish stems on the 54s. The reason is that I want my weight between the axles. If that weight gets forward out over the front fork/wheel the handling really suffers. It feels like I have a flat on the front or the brake is dragging. My advice is to find the position you like the best on any of your bikes. After you find it take some measurements and write them down. Use those measurements to duplicate the position on all of the bikes you have. The 3 measurements I take are:

Middle of BB/crankbolt up the ST to the top of the saddle
Middle of BB/crankbolt in a straight line to the middle of the handlebars/stem
Front/nose of saddle to the middle of the handlebars/stem

After that you can fine tune it by moving the saddle back or forward if you need to. It works for me.
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@TXsailor: How's the handling with that angled shorty stem? I'm considering a shorter stem while my injured shoulder heals. I already switched from the long original to a shorter stem earlier this year, but after the injury in May it's been difficult to do more than 20-30 miles on the Ironman.

Main difference I've noticed with the slightly shorter stem (80mm CTC vs 115 for the original) is handling and balance are just a bit twitchier when I'm standing to pedal. I don't notice the difference on the indoor trainer, but off the bike I notice when I don't ride the Ironman outside often enough. Overall handling is still fine, though, and generally more comfortable before the shoulder injury.

With the long original stem handling is very stable, including fast curves and downhills, but I'm too stretched out. Might be better with aero bars.

I'm also pondering something like the Nitto Noodle drop bars, something with shorter reach across the bar top to the hoods, less drop, and a little less reach on the drops. But that's a more expensive solution.
I am planning on trying a flat stem but it will still need to be pretty short. I might be ok with 80mm. The 89 has a slight angle down and is 80mm. It feels pretty good but I might could handle a little longer. The purple 88 is a 56 vs 54 for the 89 so a 80mm would add about 2cm to my reach if my figuring is correct. I am going to disassemble the 89 for a little while and switch it over to 10 speed on the rear. Want to trade stems for a while and see how they work?

To answer your question It didn't feel much different than my 89 but it only has a 80 mm stem on it. They both feel twitchy the first mile or two if I have been riding my other bikes. Then something clicks in my feeble mind and wow they feel good. Kind of like the difference in my Corvette and my wife's Traverse. I only rode the 88 around town but corners on city streets felt good.

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Originally Posted by seypat View Post
My advice is to find the position you like the best on any of your bikes. After you find it take some measurements and write them down. Use those measurements to duplicate the position on all of the bikes you have. The 3 measurements I take are:

Middle of BB/crankbolt up the ST to the top of the saddle
Middle of BB/crankbolt in a straight line to the middle of the handlebars/stem
Front/nose of saddle to the middle of the handlebars/stem

After that you can fine tune it by moving the saddle back or forward if you need to. It works for me.
Seypat, I do something similar but, because my crankarms are different lengths I measure:

Center of pedal to top of saddle.
KOP fit.
Front tip of saddle to center of handlebars.
Using this method because one of mine is one size smaller I had to use a longer stem and max out post height.
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c-cat,... Interesting topic.

On my 56cm frames, I run either a 70mm Cinelli or an 80mm modern stem, including a 56cm Ironman.
On my 54cm frames, I run a 90mm stem, including a 54cm Ironman.

To me, the 56cm bikes are more stable, even descending twisties.

Last weekend, on many curving descents, I had to focus harder to stay smooth and graceful on the 54cm Raleigh with a 90mm stem. One of my recurring thoughts was "I'd be carving this up on my Ironman." At the beginning of some descents, I felt like I was too far forward.

(On my 53cm Serotta, I run a 95mm stem, and it's still too short for my liking.)

I find it interesting. I'm not sure what seems to overrule what, as far as size vs. geometry vs. stem length. My 56cm Super Corsa, with a 90mm stem, was too twitchy to ride. The geometry had me "up on it" way more than I preferred.
The short stem I'm using on the Ironman now is the one you sent me earlier this year. Actually it's terrific, just right for my personal meatware-interface with the bike when I'm healthy.

I may be a bit hyper-sensitive to handling characteristics because I've spent so little *road* time on the Ironman since the May shoulder injury. The Ironman has mostly been on the Cycleops trainer. Sure, I do stand-to-pedal workouts, but no balance is involved. So when I do get on the road I need a little time to get reacquainted with the bike.

When I wrote the above I had only ridden the Ironman outdoors once since August -- Wednesday this week, a few hours before I posted that comment to TXsailor. So the handling felt a bit twitchy. But it also did with the longer original stem in June 2017 when I first got the Ironman. I hadn't ridden a drop bar bike at all in 30+ years, so I needed some time to get accustomed to it again.

But I took the Ironman for another ride last night -- same route, pretty much the same weather/wind conditions, so there were no other variables. The handling felt just fine again. So I just needed a couple of rides to get accustomed to the handling, especially standing to sprint up short, steep hills.

Most of my riding since mid-summer has been on my Univega hybrid, which now wears a Nitto albatross handlebar. That also required some gittin' acquainted time. The reach is much shorter, the grip is much farther back toward my thighs and hips, so the balance is very different from the flat and riser bars I'd been using. Standing to pedal puts my body bolt upright and vertical, which is efficient for power transfer to the pedals, but inefficient if there's any headwind. And I have to be careful to avoid leaning forward on the grips while standing to pedal, or risk a death wobble. But if I slide my hands forward into the curved part of the bar just ahead of the grips, it feels like riding the hoods while standing to pedal. Just some small adjustments.

But after several weeks of use I love this albatross bar. Can't see using anything else on that Univega now. Heck, I'm even thinking of snagging a lighter weight older road bike and converting it from drop to albatross bars, just to save a little weight. The Univega Via Carisma weighs about 30 lbs, more if I add the racks, fenders, etc. Ideally an older steelie road bike in the 23-25 lb range, converted to an albatross bar, bar end shifters and appropriate brake levers would make a nimble urban cruiser for days when my shoulder and neck don't like drop bars.
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Here's what my Master weighed



Everything removed but headset cup & cone. 56 CM

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1988 Centurion Dave Scott Ironman Expert. "Straight Fades"
1988 Centurion Dave Scott Ironman Master. "Purple Haze" and "Straight Fade"
Frame: Tange 1
Fork: Tange unicrown
Wheelset: Shimano 1050 on the Expert, Araya CTL-370 rims
Wheelset: Shimano 6400 on the Master, Araya CTL-370 rims
BB: Tange ball bearing type.
Crankset: Shimano 1050 on the Expert, Shimano 6400-53/42 on the Master
Calipers: Shimano 1050 on the Expert, Shimano 6400 on the Master
Levers: Shimano 1050 aero on the Expert, Shimano 6400 aero on the Master
Bars: Nitto B115-390 (<=54cm) -420 (=>56cm)
Stem: Nitto
Headset: Tange Levin CD on the Expert, Shimano 6400 on the Master
Shifters: Shimano 1050 on the Expert, Shimano 6400 on the Master
FD: Shimano 1050 on the Expert, Shimano 6400 on the Master, both 28.6 clamp
RD: Shimano 1050 on the Expert, Shimano 6400 on the Master
Seatpost: Sugino 27.0 fluted on the Expert, smooth on the Master
Saddle: Vetta (Turbo copy) on the Expert, Selle Italia Turbo on the Master
Tires: Panaracer Technova II
Cassette: Shimano HG 2x7 cassette. 13-24.
Colors: Expert: Red/White, Marine Green/White "straight fades" (possibly a yellow/white)
Colors: Master "Smoked" purple fade, and see below, a Yellow/White "straight fade" Master. Only one I've ever seen.
Scheme: "Straight Fade" on the Experts. "Smoked Fade" and "Straight Fade" on the Master, see above.
Graphics: Squiggles and Geometric shapes in the DT decal and on headbadge.
DT Decal: Centurion in an even more graduated font, from very thin to bold thickness.
TT Decal: Ironman logo with Dave Scott signature, "Expert" or "Master" added over Ironman
Headbadge Decal: New heavy "C" without shading, geometric shapes in the logo
Seat stay decal: Graphics below the caps, but no text
Tange Decal: Clear decal on ST and fork
Seat Tube Decal(s): Clear/colored Tange at the top, Clear/colored Made in Japan/Designed in USA at base.
Fork Decals: dropped the Centurion from the crowns, Clear/colored Tange at the top of the legs
Touch-up paint: For the 88 purple haze I found that Pure Ice name brand nail polish 542cp "No Means No" is a perfect match for the dominant purple. The fading purple is either Sally Hansen brand hard as nails nail polish 370 "No Hard Feelings" . Or L.A. colors name brand color craze nail polish cnp507 "Wisteria".

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When I try to find Pure Ice 542CP No means no I am told it's no longer available. Anyone know another that will match?

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Only people on here would understand a old white guy getting excited about finding purple nail polish in the mail today. Thanks Tony!
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Great news, TXSailor.

Did you ever run into txvintage? Also a sailor, the USN kind. Also named Tony.
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Also, as this is the information thread.

Looks like a cult member has picked up a "Centurion" tri bike used by Mike Pigg in a couple of triathlons, the yellow '88 "fade" model.
Definitely the '88 paint job, plus the decals used by pro's.

It's made by Zunow, painted up as Centurion. Very cool find.
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Great news, TXSailor.

Did you ever run into txvintage? Also a sailor, the USN kind. Also named Tony.
I haven't ran into txvintage but maybe I will. We are the lake kind of sailors not the real kind.
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How many things can you see that are wrong with this E-bay ad?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Centurion-M...frcectupt=true
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It looks good but not in "pristine" condition. The main concern, (for me anyway), would be the price and that head tube that appears to be repainted.
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What caught my eye was that its supposed to be 55cm but measures 23" and that its "all original" but has Continental Ultra-Sport tires, Winsipta bars & stem. I figured you sharp eyed experts would spot more.
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The first thing to catch my eye is the white hoods, followed by the white tape.
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It's a 54cm, per the ad and picture.

Perhaps overpriced. But I like it. Looks clean enough.

The head tube is, indeed, painted, but the decal is still there?
Odd. Appears to be a good job, though I wonder what that hides.

Yep, those are not the OEM Nitto B115 bars (Olympiade).
Winpista was on the Lemans.

I'm ok with the tires. The OEM tires were awful.

If it were local, I'd go toss $250 at him.
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Don't get me wrong I like the bike and it does look nice. I have just been reading the E-bay/Craig's list thread and have been very entertained by it. By those standards its not really that bad a ad. I also have been learning a lot about the Ironman from you guys. I knew you would spot things I never knew to notice.
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What caught my eye was that its supposed to be 55cm but measures 23" and that its "all original" but has Continental Ultra-Sport tires, Winsipta bars & stem. I figured you sharp eyed experts would spot more.
It appears to be a 54 cm.
Those tires are Not original.
The Winpista bars and stem were OEM on the '89 Masters.
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