Maintaining a Silca Pista Floor Pump?
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Thank you for this. I wasn't sure how shipping would work as McMaster-Carr never shows you this until it's shipped, so I ended up ordering a box of 25 feet and a pack of 50 of the clamps (with shipping it came to ~$33). I figure that if I do 5 foot lengths, I can get five new hose setups for less than the price of 2 new, much shorter, silca hoses. I redid my two silca pumps last night and the hose and clamps look just like those silca sells except McMaster-Carr's says Thermal Value-flex on it rather than the Continental branding on Silca's. I think the Valuflex is rated to 50 extra psi (not that it matters, both are higher than my tires/tubes require) and I've already appreciated the extra length while pumping up tires that were on a bike that's on the stand and also while pumping up an exercise ball.
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For the gauge, I just bought a new one from Silca. I got one of the script ones that looks older. It doesn't look as precise as the more mechanical looking gauge, but it has the same number of ticks and I figure pump gauges are all going to be +/- ~5% or so anyway. That gets me in the ballpark. I do wish it had a setable target pressure indicator, but that's not the end of the world. I recently saw a Bontrager pump that has the gauge up high where the piston enters the barrel, and I think that's a great idea if if doesn't make the pump topheavy.
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Check out 3/16 ID Welding Gas Hose
I recently spent quite a bit of time tracking down appropriate replacement hose for a Silca pump. The “official” replacement hose has 3/16 ID and 7/16 OD and a working pressure of 200+ PSI and costs around $20 from Amazon. McMaster Carr currently has part #7915A21 which is a welding gas hose for oxygen. You can get 10 feet from McMaster for $10 + shipping and fix up three pumps. You may also be able to buy a 3 foot piece from your local welding supply house for about $2 per foot.
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Most gas line is larger than 3/16 ID and doesn’t have a working pressure rating over 50 PSI. Might work for some applications, but the welding gas hose is much closer to OEM spec for a Silca. Caio!
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That McMaster Carr #5304K42 suggested above did me quite nicely, I have no problem getting up to 120 psi (it's rated to 250). The 25 feet I got has enough to do my 3 pumps with 5 feet each and still have enough to 2 all over again if they crack or whatever. So far, the tubing has held up well and worked just as I wanted it to and I much prefer the longer lengths. When I wanted to change chucks, I just chopped off the last inch or two with the old chuck and replaced it without worrying about it. 3 feet is just a bit short and 5' works a lot better for me.
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I have a Silca floor pump, I think Track Pump is the model? I've had mine for somewhere around forty years as well, and it still seems to work. I will have to check it again, as I left it outside, and rain has made the shaft rust. I'm going to take it apart for inspection one of these days.
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This is probably frowned upon in this establishment but I just replaced the hose and head with this.
https://www.amazon.com/Sunlite-Twinh...92505077&psc=1
I prefer a locking head.
That said I did rebuild the rest of my pump with official Silva parts and lube.
https://www.amazon.com/Sunlite-Twinh...92505077&psc=1
I prefer a locking head.
That said I did rebuild the rest of my pump with official Silva parts and lube.
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On my superpista (from the 80's not the super expensive modern one), I took the abs chuck from an old Lezyne pump that I'd upgraded a while back and screwed a silca hiro chuck onto the schrader end of that. It looks clunky as all get out, but I can use the abs chuck for schrader (or screw it onto presta if I really want to) and use the bleeder valve on it for all pumps. Then I can use the hiro chuck for the fast on but still locking for presta valves. I like the metal exterior with the replaceable rubber gasket in the hiro. But yeah, I wish it wasn't $65 for a chuck that doesn't even come with a way to insert it into the hose (that's an extra $10 from silca if you don't already have a solution - but I really like the bleeder valve in my solution).
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I took mine apart and handed the parts to the recycler. The barrel that was threaded into the base blew out. The base threads had pulled clear.
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That said I used to have a cast iron based one years ago and lost in the 2005 Leadville 100 while I was being support crew for a bunch of doctors. I bought a new used one, but it has a plastic base which I do not like. I have it working perfectly, but it does take a million pumps to get up to pressure. I kind of like a Blackburn pump I've rebuilt more. It seems to pump everything up a little faster.
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I bought mine in the late 80's if I remember right. Its my one and only and I use it about once a week. I'm probably going to jinx myself here but I've never serviced it. The only thing I'm not sure if it works properly is the gauge.
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I just don't like the brass chuck any more. My hands from arthritis can struggle with the attachment to the presta valve.
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I've serviced a lot of these actually. The base there will have a o-ring between the casting and the cylinder that can age poorly, and then there is a leather plunge washer that can age out. That's about it. It will need an oiling or waxing inside the cylinder or a replacement tube at times but otherwise it's a fairly simple repair. I'm sure your gauge is fine but if not the Silva website has all the repair parts including gauges available. It's a brilliant design and does let you dial in on psi wanted.
I just don't like the brass chuck any more. My hands from arthritis can struggle with the attachment to the presta valve.
I just don't like the brass chuck any more. My hands from arthritis can struggle with the attachment to the presta valve.
I also have a Silca CO2 head. I've also had this for years but I haven't used it a lot.
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Agree on McMaster Carr #5304K42 versus welding gas hose
That McMaster Carr #5304K42 suggested above did me quite nicely, I have no problem getting up to 120 psi (it's rated to 250). The 25 feet I got has enough to do my 3 pumps with 5 feet each and still have enough to 2 all over again if they crack or whatever. So far, the tubing has held up well and worked just as I wanted it to and I much prefer the longer lengths. When I wanted to change chucks, I just chopped off the last inch or two with the old chuck and replaced it without worrying about it. 3 feet is just a bit short and 5' works a lot better for me.
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Probably pointless trivia in the year 2020, but the plungers on the old Silca track pumps were typically lubricated with Campagnolo grease in every bike shop I worked in. The rubber gaskets in the head had to be replaced occasionally (but not often) with shop use. These pumps were considered the best for good reason. Standard bike shop equipment.
FWIW I prefer my current generation pump, an SKS Kompressor with a Kuwahara Hirame pump head. The pump is about the same, but the head is easier and faster to use.
FWIW I prefer my current generation pump, an SKS Kompressor with a Kuwahara Hirame pump head. The pump is about the same, but the head is easier and faster to use.
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The Silca Floor Pumps
That lack of resistance is caused by the leather cup piston not being quite big enough to seal, so air just wooshes by. Re-oiling or re-greasing will make it more flexible, and probably flare it out a bit more too. Another possible "fix" involves technique - start each stroke with a rapid flick - this will cause enough initial pressure to push the washer out again the cylinder walls, letting the pressure against the leather keep things sealed.
You'll likely find it pumps perfectly if you pump it rapidly, but maybe not at all if you pump slowly. :-)
You'll likely find it pumps perfectly if you pump it rapidly, but maybe not at all if you pump slowly. :-)
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I got given one 3 years ago, it's a white pump with a plastic handle. The leather washer was fine, everything was good but just because I could I used buzzy's slick honey to lubricate the plunger. Worked well, haven't had to touch the pump since.
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@himespau, thank you. I ordered a check valve on Amazon. I've replaced the hose and head once or twice. I'm not one for period correctness.
Did a new check valve solve the problem? Mine has a problem where I have to push real hard to get that valve to crack.
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I'm glad you asked. I haven't done the work yet. How do I get to the check valve, and where do I get a replacement?
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The check valve is in the body of the piece that the hose and gauge are mounted. Mine have a plug that you remove. The check valve is a rod with a pentel end that seats in a chamfered hole. A spring allows it to open when pumping If there is corrosion in that assembly, it may work intermittently. If it is stuck open you will not be able to pump as all the air will come out of the tire and into the pump.
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Pista pumps are taller.
If a stroke does not have resistance, it is the leather plunger that is the problem. Air is escaping by it.
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Pista pumps are taller.
If a stroke does not have resistance, it is the leather plunger that is the problem. Air is escaping by it.
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Yup, my leather plunger just failed (again). Not sure if my tube is contaminated or not perfectly round or something (or maybe I just got a bad leather washer), but I was surprised to be having to change it out again after just 3 years.
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But the point is that its parts are in somewhat unknown condition, and I have no idea how it was originally assembled at the factory.
The check valve is accessed by the big hex head that's below the gage. Here it is. The aluminum washer is the seal, probably original. The back of the pintle fit into a bore in the nut, and the nut was crimped down where shown by the arrow, presumably to retain the pintle. As a result, the pintle was riding in a tapered hole, and probably getting hung up. I couldn't see why it needs to be retained, so long as I watch where the spring goes if I ever disassemble it again. So I un-crimped it as best as I could, and cleaned out the hole with a roughly 4 mm drill bit. Applied a thin layer of silicone grease, and re-assembled. The o-ring looked OK but if it's worn, it could be replaced. Now it all works and I probably won't worry about it again. I did notice that Silca sells a replacement check valve kit for something like 11 bucks. But my rule is: Fix if possible, rather than replace.
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@Gresp15C - I didn't notice the crimp on mine. Came right apart without a problem. cleaning this up really improved the movement of the needle! It doesn't go down like it use to.
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@Gresp15C - I didn't notice the crimp on mine. Came right apart without a problem. cleaning this up really improved the movement of the needle! It doesn't go down like it use to.
Is yours a Silca, or a different brand?
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