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Old 03-09-19, 09:04 AM
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Anyone have any links to any cheap and decent track gear bags. I like the look of the bls ones but they seem overly expensive.
Just after something for cogs, chainrings and tools, I already have a bag I've used for years but it's getting a bit old.
where are you based? If you are in the UK I have Kierin tote bag spare I could sell you?
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The Budweiser and not a Foster's in the foreground has me conflicted.
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We don't drink either here, I've never actually see a fosters.
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Originally Posted by Kaben View Post

where are you based? If you are in the UK I have Kierin tote bag spare I could sell you?
Im in the UK and looking for a tote bag...
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Old 03-10-19, 01:32 AM
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So anybody know what happened with Shane Perkins' participation with the Russian team at the WC's that just happened? Last I heard he was to ride TS and keirin, last FB post I saw of his was like "so excited to ride the WC's with the Russian team many thanks etc". Was really looking forward to seeing him ride, but then he didn't show up on any riders lists on Tissot Timing. Anybody with insight?
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This is interesting.
Bump. Any Aussies (or Russians??) on here know what's up?
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Old 03-10-19, 03:52 AM
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I've had a couple of videos from the Hong Kong six day pop up on my feed, and it looks like he's one of 4 sprinters there, racing for Russia. Not fast enough right now?
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While we're talking about gear bags...
What are you using to get your stuff to the infield? Currently I'm using a LL Bean canvas tote bag, but I'm looking for a backpack.
I'd like to fit my shoes, helmet, kit, gear bag and some misc tools and such. Being able to hold water bottles and strap a pump to it would be a plus.
I'm trying to get everything in one trip, and going hands free with this stuff would help a lot!
Thanks,
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We don't drink either here, I've never actually see a fosters.
That's a relief, as both are pretty bad
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Old 03-10-19, 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by 1incpa View Post
While we're talking about gear bags...
What are you using to get your stuff to the infield? Currently I'm using a LL Bean canvas tote bag, but I'm looking for a backpack.
I'd like to fit my shoes, helmet, kit, gear bag and some misc tools and such. Being able to hold water bottles and strap a pump to it would be a plus.
I'm trying to get everything in one trip, and going hands free with this stuff would help a lot!
Thanks,
PI
Milwaukee Jobsite Backpack is what I would recommend. You can fit a helmet in the front pouch/flap (it's adjustable, and expands A LOT), tools in the Middle section, where there are 35 individual pockets, plus some space for a couple of small tool cases, as well as a fully loaded keirin tote. The back section has a padded laptop sleeve, but the overall section is about 4-5 inches deep, so would accommodate a pair of shoes and your riding clothes quite easily. There are also two side pockets that can hold water bottles. The front of the pack also has some MOLLE like loops that you could use to strap a pump to the pack. The backpack also has to zipper compartments, one on the outside, and one on the inside of the middle section. The one in the middle section is water resistant and spans the width of the pack. Good place for keys, wallet, phone, etc. It also has a molded plastic base, so the bag stands up on it's own and can be placed on wet ground without worrying of water soaking/ingessing into the bag.

It's a little pricey at ~$100, but will last forever. I have already been using this bag in a construction/industrial environment for my tools (53lbs when I last weighed it) for the last 5 years, and it barely looks used despite the abuse it's had to deal with. This will be my set-up come summer when I start going back to the track again.

https://www.milwaukeetool.com/Produc...cks/48-22-8200

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Old 03-10-19, 12:57 PM
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Thanks Taras! There are even a couple of stores near me that have it in stock! I'll check it out.
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Old 03-10-19, 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by 1incpa View Post
While we're talking about gear bags...
What are you using to get your stuff to the infield? Currently I'm using a LL Bean canvas tote bag, but I'm looking for a backpack.
I'd like to fit my shoes, helmet, kit, gear bag and some misc tools and such. Being able to hold water bottles and strap a pump to it would be a plus.
I'm trying to get everything in one trip, and going hands free with this stuff would help a lot!
Thanks,
PI
a triathlon transition backpack works well for me - space for shoes, helmet, clothes, tools, bottles etc and there are different compartments and pockets so its not all jumbled together.
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Old 03-10-19, 03:48 PM
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Another thing I wouldn't have thought of!
thanks Zizou! I'll check them out.
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Old 03-10-19, 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Huskey View Post
We don't drink either here, I've never actually see a fosters.
Can confirm it isn't even made here, Manchester only I believe.

In topic the skin grows back bag is very good but not necessarily a budget item, you'll likely not have to buy another bag ever again so factor that in
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Old 03-10-19, 08:05 PM
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I'm thinking of having one custom made. There's a company here on Aus that makes a lot of different version of tool bags out of heavy duty vinyl. They actually advertise that they can make custom bags too. I'd be able to have the bag laid out exactly as I need. The question is if it ends up cost effective compared to what's on the market.
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Originally Posted by Huskey View Post
The question is if it ends up cost effective compared to what's on the market.
In my experience in searching out custom gear makers, if you're going to have a one-off item made, it will cost you. I also found out that when it comes to custom made items, you will invariably find out that you would change one thing or another, or realize you forgot about something you wanted to incorporate. It's best to find a product that is quite similar to what you would design, use that, then figure out what changes you would make after you've used it for a while. The first go around tends to be sacrificial if you are looking to perfect something to your liking, so I wouldn't spend too much until you're ready to finalize your design.

I ended up doing exactly this with a tent I used this summer for a hike. I couldn't find something I liked, so I approached a manufacturer about making a test sample for me. I wanted a pyramid style tent, but wanted it to be 8 sided instead of the usual 4. This allowed me to move the inner mesh tent around the perimeter, to change how it was situated vs. the door. I purposely left it basic, omitting things like inner pockets for organizing small items out of the design because I couldn't figure out exactly how I wanted to incorporate those as well as other things. Now that I've used it on a solo trip, and had 7 days to think about these things, I know exactly what I want to do with my next design when it comes to making another pyramid tent, but I could only find those things out by using something that was close to what I thought I had wanted.
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Old 03-11-19, 01:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Huskey View Post
I'm thinking of having one custom made. There's a company here on Aus that makes a lot of different version of tool bags out of heavy duty vinyl. They actually advertise that they can make custom bags too. I'd be able to have the bag laid out exactly as I need. The question is if it ends up cost effective compared to what's on the market.
Give these a look before you go that route, these are handmade in Aus and you can make changes to them if you know what you're after.
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Old 03-11-19, 03:46 AM
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Originally Posted by 1incpa View Post
While we're talking about gear bags...
What are you using to get your stuff to the infield?
Though not hands free, when I was was racing biweekly I would make a single trip with the following - bike on one shoulder and sports bag with all my gear, track pump, rollers and double wheel bag all strapped on a lightweight folding trolley with 2 octopus straps identical the following. Worked a treat!

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/tz8AAOSwuThbmLu5/s-l400.jpg
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Can anybody give me a brief rundown on time trial position rules with particular attention as to how they pertain to the "praying mantis position"
I know the end of the extensions must be within 10cm of the height of the center of the arm pads.
I know saddle 5cm behind bottom bracket or use an exception.
I know extensions must be within 5cm of the front axle.
I know bike can be 75cm from the bottom bracket or up to 80cm with an exception. Or has that changed?

Is there anything out there related to forearm angle that's actually in the rules?

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There was a rule that said forearms had to be horizontal. Seems that's out the window.
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Old 03-11-19, 06:54 AM
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I think the pad angle is now 15deg, could be wrong though. We've got a workshop in a few weeks time with Dan from the Huub team, I'm hoping to check out the regs as he'll know them inside out. BTW, someone recently has said to me that if your saddle is more than 5cm behind the BB you then gain that amount on the 75cm from BB to bar ends, not sure about that though.
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@Poppit You get one exemption for free, no questions asked. How this works out practically is either your saddle is at 0cm behind the BB and you get 75cm reach, or your saddle is -5cm behind the bottom bracket and you get 80cm reach. (IF you are very tall you can get an extra reach exemption that is separate from those) If you are at -3cm setback, they consider that taking the 0cm exemption, so bars must be a 75cm. If you're at -8cm setback, you get the 80cm reach, but not 83cm.
@Baby Puke the rider is never measured with the bike (besides the height if you ask for that exemption) so arm angle is no longer a measurement taken.
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Originally Posted by theblackbullet View Post
Can anybody give me a brief rundown on time trial position rules with particular attention as to how they pertain to the "praying mantis position"
I know the end of the extensions must be within 10cm of the height of the center of the arm pads.
I know saddle 5cm behind bottom bracket or use an exception.
I know extensions must be within 5cm of the front axle.
I know bike can be 75cm from the bottom bracket or up to 80cm with an exception. Or has that changed?

Is there anything out there related to forearm angle that's actually in the rules?
Ok, the 5cm from the front axle doesn't pertain to pursuit. (with aerobars)
As above, you can take the 80cm exemption if you have your saddle at -5cm setback

the only measurements that directly matter for praying mantis is the 15 pad angle and the 10cm from middle pad to extension tip.
So when they lay a level on your pads, they must measure at 15 maximum (JUST THE PADS/CUPS, not extensions)
Then they measure from the mid point of your cups (with the foam pads very often fully compressed. The best practice is to remove the pads entirely when you measure at home, then you'll have a few mm of wiggle room) to the tip of your extensions (highest point) that gap must be 10cm or less. This is to discourage the Mantis position

The way to get around that is to push the pads further and further up the arm, which closes that 10cm (You can see Archibalds pads are very far up his arms, closing in on his wrists, as opposed to a more "normal" position closer to the elbows) - he's "virtually" riding with much higher extensions than what is measured. If his pads were in a more "normal" place, he'd be at something like 20-25cm pad to bar tip.

The downside to this is that it's very uncomfortable for most people to be able to ride like that for any period of time. Obviously it can be done though.
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Awesome! Thanks that clears up a lot! Is there anything concrete on the additional length past 80cm? I am 6'4" with a long torso and would love to utilize any reach I can get.
I am comfortably at 5cm behind bb with my saddle

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@theblackbullet Yes sorry I should have expanded on that

For riders that are 190 cm tall or taller, the horizontal distance between the vertical lines passing through the bottom bracket axle and the extremity of the handlebar extensions including all accessories may be extended to 85 cm.

I *think* (none of the athletes I have worked with have been tall enough for me to have looked too deeply) you must still be -5cm behind the bb to take this extra exemption. (Which is against what I wrote above, sorry) so if you're tall enough, (I think over 6'2 should be) -5 / 85cm
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