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Old 06-10-19, 03:38 PM
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A better hub? maybe.

On paper this is the best, lighter, stronger, lasts longer.
best of all,
One $1,200 hub for all your wheels. Yes comes with a little hub basket so you can take it off the Fargo and put it on the Flow. Even build a wheel for the CCM with rim brakes then switch the hub to a 326 gram ... ..
Looks good on paper, are they ready? After a long long wait. Glad I clicked here Products - Kindernay before I ordered an Alfine.

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Old 06-10-19, 05:51 PM
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I think “on paper” is the only place this exists. If it ends up being what they’re promising, it could be very good, but it’s not for sale yet as far as I can tell, and it’s certainly untested. If I had the money to spend on untested tech, I’d probably be wiser to just buy a Rohloff and start saving for a 2nd one.
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Pretty slick, esp being able to mount same hub on different bikes. I bought a 2nd touring bike a couple of years ago & one thing I hadn't thought of was that I'm more disinclined to buy fancy stuff like a nice dynohub or Rohloff. Not that I'd buy a Rohloff or Kindernay anyway. 1) for that $$ I'd want belt-drive too & 2) with Kindernay the 2nd bike still basically has to be set up for IGH.
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$1300 for a hub?

not compatible with my other bikes, spares made of unobtainium, would have to buy a new frame with thru-axels..

for the price of just one hub i can buy two complete touring rigs.
...or one rig and a complete set of gear.
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Old 06-11-19, 12:19 AM
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Contender for the NUTTIEST bike idea of ALL time. Right up there with that front fork lock arm idea.
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Give me a call when they make an internal gear hub with 650% range....
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Originally Posted by saddlesores View Post
$1300 for a hub?

not compatible with my other bikes, spares made of unobtainium, would have to buy a new frame with thru-axels..

for the price of just one hub i can buy two complete touring rigs.
...or one rig and a complete set of gear.
Can actually work with standard dropouts. Thatís part of the appeal: one hub can be swapped between different wheelsets or different bikes with different widths. Now if youíve never been tempted by a Rohloff, then this probably doesnít interest you. But for me the problem with Rohloff is that not only is it over 1k, but I have 2 wheelsets for my bike, so if I want to keep that functionality, I need two, or more if I ever wanted to use it in another bike. Unless I wanted to keep rebuilding my wheels. This hub can go in your standard touring bike and then be swapped into your wide-dropout, fat bike, and then be dropped into your folding bike if thatís what youíre riding next.

And, yes, itís still a non-user-serviceable part, so not everyone is going to comfortable with that. Iím not comfortable with it largely because itís new and untested. If it ever gets out into the world and is shown to as reliable as the Rohloff has been, I think itíd worth a closer look.
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I think the swap feature is nice. However, it doesn't "look" like the outer shell of the swap is very durable. Also, can the hub have a lower ratio than the Rohloff. I "think" the current gives it something like 16.5" using a 700c wheel. Can it go lower? I actually prefer less range and a lower low. When touring, or even club riding, I very rarely go over 20mph so for me a high of low to mid 80" is perfectly fine. I have multiple Rohloff wheels (multipe bikes), and I really wish it had less spread.

Neat concept, I would look at the finished product after a year or so it has actually been on the market.
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Old 06-11-19, 07:47 AM
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One could buy 3 really good hubs for whatever bike, axle and width you need, no tinkering needed.
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I think the swap feature is nice. However, it doesn't "look" like the outer shell of the swap is very durable....
Neat concept, I would look at the finished product after a year or so it has actually been on the market.
Yes, durability is key. That's why I wouldn't postpone any purchasing decisions decisions until this is actually on the market and has been for a while. Personally, it's still a little dodgy as far as utility goes. Right now I have two rear wheels with Alfine-8s in them. The swap takes exactly as long as taking a wheel off and putting it back on. With this set up, there's an additional step of moving this hub between cages. Maybe it's simple and fast. Maybe it's not. Hopefully its durable and secure, but generally durable and secure doesn't go with simple and fast. We'll see.

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One could buy 3 really good hubs for whatever bike, axle and width you need, no tinkering needed.
Some people like hub gears, and they have some advantages. They also have some disadvantages, one of which being that they get pricey if you go over 8 gears. But I love hub gears, and for me the advantages outweigh the disadvantages, even to the extent that I'd consider paying a premium price. Yes, I could get three really good hubs for the price, but they would be three really good hubs that I don't necessarily want to use, so I guess "good" is relative. I'm not advocating for this product. It is entirely unproven, but Rohloff has shown that there is a market for expensive, high range, gear hubs, and this has the potential to be a contender in that space. If you don't like hub gears, or don't think they're worth the price, then obviously this has no appeal to you. If you like hub gears, but the premium price for a hub that can only be used in one wheel is a problem, this could be a solution.
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Old 06-11-19, 08:05 AM
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Very cool. Pure bike porn. It's amazing how much money some people spend on their bikes.
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Well, if they flop in the bike market, they could get into the unicycle market, this kind of remove the expensive gear mechanism leaving a shell and flanges laced into the wheel has been an often requested feature there (where there is only one 2-speed fixed IGH on the market), lots of folks would be interested in a cheap changeout between "mountain" and "road" wheels. Of course the innards would have to be different - fixed gear, fewer speeds mostly overdrive... Alas it is a small market.

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Originally Posted by Nessism View Post
Very cool. Pure bike porn. It's amazing how much money some people spend on their bikes.
Well I'm impressed that it's only a bit more cost than the Rohloff. 3-sp Sturmey-Archer hub used to be more popular than derailleur despite being more complicated. With economies of scale, advanced IGH/Pinion/belt could become much cheaper & more popular. Many casual riders buy bikes that are 2-3X+ more expensive than what they need; bikes with much easier maintenance could be made appealing.
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Originally Posted by Trevtassie View Post
Give me a call when they make an internal gear hub with 650% range....
Give me a call when DeFAILLEURS stop breaking into spokes, stop fluttering, stop chain suck, stop grinding, shift when stopped, can ride thru tall grass, shrug off crashes and collisions and baggage handlers, have 99.99% shifter function with NO adjustments ever, shift 4 gears in 1/2 sec., can use with a chain case, last 1/4 as long as a Rohloff, and gets BETTER with age. LOL

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Give me a call when DeFAILLEURS stop breaking into spokes, stop fluttering, stop chain suck, stop grinding, shift when stopped, can ride thru tall grass, shrug off crashes and collisions and baggage handlers, have 99.99% shifter function with NO adjustments ever, shift 4 gears in 1/2 sec., can use with a chain case, last 1/4 as long as a Rohloff, and gets BETTER with age. LOL
Love the people who love the Koolaid. Rohloffs have that stupid thing where they change into high gear sometimes when going from 8 to 7. When they need service they are gone for a week minimum, unless you have a service agent in town, because you can't get the special tools needed to work on them. It cost me $250 with shipping to get the seal drag fixed on mine, took two weeks. They leak oil when being transported. they are fiddlier to remove when you do need to remove them for transport. Meanwhile, my partners bike is way lighter than mine, the drivetrain cost 1500 less and when she does need a new cassette and chain it only costs $100 and that's not often because I use Whipperman chains on it. She could carry a spare derailleur, chain and cassette and still be lighter than a Rohloff.
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I would love to hear from actual owners on this forum.

Anyways, they have been shipping for a few months. Apparently an order now will be delivered in August. There's also a youtube review of sorts that just posted:



I'd love to try one evenntually.
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