Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Road Cycling
Reload this Page >

Who is the fastest cyclist?

Notices
Road Cycling “It is by riding a bicycle that you learn the contours of a country best, since you have to sweat up the hills and coast down them. Thus you remember them as they actually are, while in a motor car only a high hill impresses you, and you have no such accurate remembrance of country you have driven through as you gain by riding a bicycle.” -- Ernest Hemingway

Who is the fastest cyclist?

Old 07-07-19, 03:48 PM
  #1  
Doge
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Doge's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Southern California, USA
Posts: 9,674

Bikes: 1979 Raleigh Team 753

Mentioned: 146 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3011 Post(s)
Liked 65 Times in 50 Posts
Who is the fastest cyclist?

This is meant to be entertaining. But I am curious on the definition. What are the rules to make that claim?
How do YOU DEFINE FASTEST?

"The 21-year-old is one of the fastest cyclists in the world, able to accelerate from 0 to 40 in just 18 seconds. He's so fast, he has a good shot at making the 2020 Olympic team."
https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs...EmpATMbSaqHNyo

To the mods - bike racing is about winning. This is not a post about racing or winning - just what is the fastest. Please consider before moving the thread.

Last edited by Doge; 07-07-19 at 04:10 PM.
Doge is offline  
Old 07-07-19, 03:52 PM
  #2  
datlas 
Beyond Bogus
 
datlas's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Malvern, PA (20 miles West of Philly)
Posts: 29,063

Bikes: 1986 Alpine (steel road bike), 2009 Ti Habenero, 2013 Specialized Roubaix

Mentioned: 405 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9148 Post(s)
Liked 216 Times in 140 Posts
I figured the guy who motor paced at 140MPH (or whatever it was) is the correct answer.

But I reckon it depends on how you define fastest.
__________________
Originally Posted by rjones28 View Post
Addiction is all about class.
datlas is offline  
Likes For datlas:
Old 07-07-19, 03:59 PM
  #3  
shelbyfv
Senior Member
 
shelbyfv's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 5,586
Mentioned: 21 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1227 Post(s)
Liked 224 Times in 152 Posts
Wouldn't acceleration be "quickest?"
shelbyfv is offline  
Old 07-07-19, 04:20 PM
  #4  
Doge
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Doge's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Southern California, USA
Posts: 9,674

Bikes: 1979 Raleigh Team 753

Mentioned: 146 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3011 Post(s)
Liked 65 Times in 50 Posts
Originally Posted by datlas View Post
I figured the guy who motor paced at 140MPH (or whatever it was) is the correct answer.

But I reckon it depends on how you define fastest.
I AM curious on other definitions.
That was Dr. Alan ****t - originally. Later it was broken by I forgot who.

To me it is time to get back to the start under own power and same average wind. Using stored/other's energy to get there is interesting, but does not count.
I can see that argument for peak speed too.

Running: 100m, 400m or marathon are different, but we generally give it to the 100m person.
But even in running there was some discussion that peak speed may be hit in the 200m. So for a brief period - the 200m runner may be faster.

In cycling it needs to be a current comparison. It is way too hard to compare Eddy to Sagan. Lotto did over 35mph in that TTT today. That was fast, but not an individual thing.
But comparing them to what USPS with Lance did is too difficult.

Last edited by Doge; 07-07-19 at 04:24 PM.
Doge is offline  
Old 07-07-19, 04:24 PM
  #5  
Doge
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Doge's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Southern California, USA
Posts: 9,674

Bikes: 1979 Raleigh Team 753

Mentioned: 146 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3011 Post(s)
Liked 65 Times in 50 Posts
Originally Posted by shelbyfv View Post
Wouldn't acceleration be "quickest?"
Highest acceleration, yes, but thread is fastest and it may not be that.

Also in the link in the OP 0-40 in 18 sec I assume is on a fixed gear. I'd think that is beatable on a geared bike. I never measured it.
Most TTs discourage starting too fast. A 200m flying track TT may be the fastest.
But this is a road cycling forum. So I was not really thinking of track.
Doge is offline  
Old 07-07-19, 04:25 PM
  #6  
MinnMan
Senior Member
 
MinnMan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Minneapolis
Posts: 2,832

Bikes: 2016 Masi cxgr, 2011 Felt F3 Ltd, 2010 Trek 2.1, 2009 KHS Flite 220, 1991 Bianchi Osprey

Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 506 Post(s)
Liked 32 Times in 23 Posts
An inspiring story. I wish him luck and success.

But of course, the journalist is just using words in their vocabulary, not really knowing how to describe a strong track cyclist.

So, FWIW, it all depends on your reference point. One could argue that the astronaut is traveling about 5 miles/second when he is pedaling at the end of this video.
MinnMan is offline  
Old 07-07-19, 04:33 PM
  #7  
wipekitty
vespertine member
 
wipekitty's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: from sea to shining sea!
Posts: 2,180

Bikes: Yes

Mentioned: 21 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 595 Post(s)
Liked 92 Times in 68 Posts
Originally Posted by Doge View Post
I AM curious on other definitions.
That was Dr. Alan ****t - originally. Later it was broken by I forgot who.

To me it is time to get back to the start under own power and same average wind. Using stored/other's energy to get there is interesting, but does not count.
I can see that argument for peak speed too.
Denise Mueller-Koronek got 183.9 last year.

I'm with you, though, that these records do not count.
wipekitty is offline  
Old 07-07-19, 04:34 PM
  #8  
Dan333SP
Serious Cyclist
 
Dan333SP's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: RVA
Posts: 9,081

Bikes: 2013 Madone 3.1

Mentioned: 95 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5516 Post(s)
Liked 40 Times in 25 Posts
Originally Posted by Doge View Post
I AM curious on other definitions.
That was Dr. Alan ****t - originally. Later it was broken by I forgot who.

To me it is time to get back to the start under own power and same average wind. Using stored/other's energy to get there is interesting, but does not count.
I can see that argument for peak speed too.

Running: 100m, 400m or marathon are different, but we generally give it to the 100m person.
But even in running there was some discussion that peak speed may be hit in the 200m. So for a brief period - the 200m runner may be faster.

In cycling it needs to be a current comparison. It is way too hard to compare Eddy to Sagan. Lotto did over 35mph in that TTT today. That was fast, but not an individual thing.
But comparing them to what USPS with Lance did is too difficult.
What you're really looking for is a continuation of the "Merckx rules" hour record, where people would run basically the same equipment Eddy used in 1972. Those rules were abandoned in 2014 in favor of modern aero bikes/wheels/skinsuits, but something along the lines of fastest human-powered effort over the course of an hour on a standard road bike is pretty close to what I'd consider the "fastest cyclist".
Dan333SP is offline  
Likes For Dan333SP:
Old 07-07-19, 04:41 PM
  #9  
Doge
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Doge's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Southern California, USA
Posts: 9,674

Bikes: 1979 Raleigh Team 753

Mentioned: 146 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3011 Post(s)
Liked 65 Times in 50 Posts
Originally Posted by MinnMan View Post
An inspiring story. I wish him luck and success.

But of course, the journalist is just using words in their vocabulary, not really knowing how to describe a strong track cyclist.

So, FWIW, it all depends on your reference point. One could argue that the astronaut is traveling about 5 miles/second when he is pedaling at the end of this video.
Well, can't really record that on Strava, so it didn't happen.
Ref point is on roads attached to earth and returning to the same point (wind) and no other energy used - and record-able (right or wrong due to sampling rates) by Strava.
So like a 200m track TT, but this is road.

A sprint - after drafting others might be the fastest, but they definitely used others to do that.
A sprint just riding off the front counts.

My kid got a Strava KOM here that will be difficult to repeat.
Anyway, I would DQ this one too, but along the same lines of your post. I think it entertaining - to me. Old family vacation video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pN-s...ature=youtu.be
Doge is offline  
Old 07-07-19, 04:45 PM
  #10  
Doge
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Doge's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Southern California, USA
Posts: 9,674

Bikes: 1979 Raleigh Team 753

Mentioned: 146 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3011 Post(s)
Liked 65 Times in 50 Posts
Originally Posted by Dan333SP View Post
What you're really looking for is a continuation of the "Merckx rules" hour record, where people would run basically the same equipment Eddy used in 1972. Those rules were abandoned in 2014 in favor of modern aero bikes/wheels/skinsuits, but something along the lines of fastest human-powered effort over the course of an hour on a standard road bike is pretty close to what I'd consider the "fastest cyclist".
Yea, I think "std road bike" is somewhat a key. Even though we know non-standard is faster. But I am not looking to the hour.
More - just top speed. That is me, and I totally understand why someone else is more interested in an hour like others are more interested in a mile vs 100m.
I think comparing what they were then is too hard. Even a Eddy bike then ridden now, other things are different from roads, tires, venue.
Doge is offline  
Old 07-07-19, 05:21 PM
  #11  
Dean V
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 2,470
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 858 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 59 Times in 36 Posts
Flying 200m on the track is the best measurement for all out speed.
Anything else you are just guessing as there are no proper events, measurements, criteria and competition.
Track sprinters are undoubtedly the fastest accelerating and top speed cyclists. They are the only ones that train exclusively for that.
The flying 200m qualifying rounds is the event for them to show that speed with nothing else compromising it.
Dean V is offline  
Old 07-07-19, 05:39 PM
  #12  
Doge
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Doge's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Southern California, USA
Posts: 9,674

Bikes: 1979 Raleigh Team 753

Mentioned: 146 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3011 Post(s)
Liked 65 Times in 50 Posts
Originally Posted by Dean V View Post
Flying 200m on the track is the best measurement for all out speed.
Anything else you are just guessing as there are no proper events, measurements, criteria and competition.
Track sprinters are undoubtedly the fastest accelerating and top speed cyclists. They are the only ones that train exclusively for that.
The flying 200m qualifying rounds is the event for them to show that speed with nothing else compromising it.
But, as I posted above, they are not road cyclists. They also have a fixed gear. I would think the gear would matter for acceleration. Flying TT, I agree with you, but they are not road cyclists.

Then, most TTs on road and track measure highest average speed, not fastest speed.
Doge is offline  
Old 07-07-19, 07:00 PM
  #13  
Dean V
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 2,470
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 858 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 59 Times in 36 Posts
Todd Reichert has done 89.5 mph unassisted on a flat road.
I guess that would make him the fastest road cyclist.
Dean V is offline  
Old 07-07-19, 08:09 PM
  #14  
DrIsotope
Non omnino gravis
 
DrIsotope's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: SoCal, USA!
Posts: 7,180

Bikes: Nekobasu, Pandicorn

Mentioned: 112 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3919 Post(s)
Liked 408 Times in 259 Posts
There's simply no such thing. You could find the fastest participant in any given discipline, but there absolutely is no "fastest cyclist."

Let's take two runners for example.



These are inarguably two of the fastest runners in the world. But Kipchoge would get annihilated by Bolt in the 100M, and there's no guarantee Bolt could even finish a marathon in a decent time.

Put a 200M track sprinter in the 112 mile bike leg of an Ironman and see how he does. Put the fastest Ironman finisher in the Tour Divide. There is no such thing as the fastest cyclist.
__________________
DrIsotope is offline  
Old 07-07-19, 08:44 PM
  #15  
Doge
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Doge's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Southern California, USA
Posts: 9,674

Bikes: 1979 Raleigh Team 753

Mentioned: 146 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3011 Post(s)
Liked 65 Times in 50 Posts
Originally Posted by Dean V View Post
Todd Reichert has done 89.5 mph unassisted on a flat road.
I guess that would make him the fastest road cyclist.
Also not road cycling, or on a road bike
Doge is offline  
Old 07-07-19, 11:34 PM
  #16  
Dean V
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 2,470
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 858 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 59 Times in 36 Posts
Originally Posted by Doge View Post
Also not road cycling, or on a road bike
So you are asking who is the fastest "road cyclist" using the parameters in which their are no events, competitors, or measurements?
Dean V is offline  
Old 07-08-19, 09:51 AM
  #17  
RChung
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 1,508
Mentioned: 18 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 302 Post(s)
Liked 40 Times in 24 Posts
Originally Posted by Dean V View Post
Todd Reichert has done 89.5 mph unassisted on a flat road.
I guess that would make him the fastest road cyclist.
Battle Mountain isn't a flat course. You can tell because they don't take the average of two-way runs -- it's a one-way run only.
RChung is offline  
Old 07-08-19, 12:18 PM
  #18  
Dan333SP
Serious Cyclist
 
Dan333SP's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: RVA
Posts: 9,081

Bikes: 2013 Madone 3.1

Mentioned: 95 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5516 Post(s)
Liked 40 Times in 25 Posts
The answer to this thread is @Doge's kid
Dan333SP is offline  
Likes For Dan333SP:
Old 07-08-19, 12:30 PM
  #19  
79pmooney
A Roadie Forever
 
79pmooney's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 7,195

Bikes: (2) ti TiCycles, 2007 w/ triple and 2011 fixed, 1979 Peter Mooney, ~1983 Trek 420 now fixed and ~1973 Raleigh Carlton Competition gravel grinder

Mentioned: 94 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1775 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 168 Times in 125 Posts
Originally Posted by datlas View Post
I figured the guy gal who motor paced at 140 183.9MPH (or whatever it was) is the correct answer.

But I reckon it depends on how you define fastest.
Denise Mueller-Korenek, last year.

But fastest road cyclist? We'll never know for sure because that record will be made on a descent with no witnesses save fellow riders (maybe). So, either that moment was not documented at all or we have to believe the 79.3 mph that so-and-so claims. Yeah, right!

Ben
79pmooney is online now  
Old 07-08-19, 12:44 PM
  #20  
DaveLeeNC
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Pinehurst, NC, US
Posts: 1,331

Bikes: 2020 Trek Emonda SL6, 90's Vintage EL-OS Steel Bianchi with 2014 Campy Chorus Upgrade

Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 260 Post(s)
Liked 30 Times in 25 Posts
When it comes to running "the world's fastest human" is pretty much accepted to be the person who can cover 100 meters in the shortest time from a standing (zero speed) start. In cycling there is no such agreement and I doubt that there ever will be. I don't even have a suggestion as to what that standard should be (and this is BF where EVERYBODY has an opinion on EVERYTHNG :-) .

dave
DaveLeeNC is offline  
Old 07-08-19, 01:44 PM
  #21  
Pirkaus
Coffin Dodger
 
Pirkaus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: New Hampshire
Posts: 1,751

Bikes: Motobecane Vent Noir, Lynskey R345, Serotta Nova Special X

Mentioned: 9 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 520 Post(s)
Liked 26 Times in 17 Posts
I don't know who it is, but it sure as hell ain't me.
Pirkaus is offline  
Old 07-08-19, 02:43 PM
  #22  
colnago62
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 1,563
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 323 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 29 Times in 22 Posts
Originally Posted by Dean V View Post
So you are asking who is the fastest "road cyclist" using the parameters in which their are no events, competitors, or measurements?
Kinda what I was thinking. There needs to be some parameters of some sort.
colnago62 is offline  
Old 07-08-19, 03:35 PM
  #23  
cthenn
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Walnut Creek, CA
Posts: 2,432

Bikes: 2015 Trek Emonda SLR, 2002 Litespeed Classic, 2005 Bianchi Pista, 2016 Devinci Hatchet, Some BikesDirect MTB I never ride.

Mentioned: 10 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 550 Post(s)
Liked 45 Times in 25 Posts
Fernando Gaviria?
cthenn is offline  
Old 07-09-19, 12:38 AM
  #24  
canklecat
Me duelen las nalgas
 
canklecat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Texas
Posts: 9,606

Bikes: Centurion Ironman, Trek 5900, Univega Via Carisma, Globe Carmel

Mentioned: 171 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2953 Post(s)
Liked 290 Times in 217 Posts
In time trial territory, guys like Anquetil, Merckx, LeMond, Indurain and Cancellara would still be fast under any conditions with any equipment.
canklecat is offline  
Old 07-09-19, 07:18 AM
  #25  
burnthesheep
Newbie racer
 
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: Raleigh, NC
Posts: 1,165

Bikes: Propel, red is faster

Mentioned: 29 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 523 Post(s)
Liked 180 Times in 121 Posts
I see what Doge is digging for..........which is awesome. Kudos.

Raw finish speed? Using only your teammates and not silly salt flat car drafting.........a downhill sprint finish in the World Tour. Though, I'd imagine that's super super rare they'd do that versus giving a technical setup to the sprint that slows them down.

In that case, routinely the flying 200m on track.

If we're going after something longer than blinking and it's over.............individual and team pursuit. I'd say Kilo, but it's not an official Oly event anymore......I think.

Outdoor TT is super fast but has environmental factors to consider that track does not*.

*assuming indoors
burnthesheep is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.