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Old 07-21-19, 04:36 PM
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The bike MiloFrance didn't show you....

Finally arrived. You may have to go to his thread to find out about the 8-9 bikes he picked up and hauled back to his house.

He put in a ton of work, and this was 7 months in the mix, folks, from first suggestion to picking up the bike at UPS

(I paid the duty a week ago, UPS didn't release it for the driver, so I had to go get it--poor web site, poor system, great people).

The packing by Miles was superb. One corner of the box was crushed, nothing touched the bike.

1 frameset with an Elite Ciussi that a friend may need (blue). No headset, because it doesn't really have one.

Carbon bars, 25.4/42cm. They fit! They fit! No stem. You see that thing on there....

The FD, I can relate to. Mavic. Same as the L shifter. Downtube.
I'm over the moon on that saddle. Leather Vetta Selle Bassano with labeled Reynolds 501 rails. It's very light, it's freaking gorgeous.

Other items I can understand: Octalink or Isis BB/Crankset (FSA) with 50/38 rings by TA Specialties. Look carbon pedals. 2 DA 7400 calipers. OK, that's about it.

Two RD's. Apparently 2 battery cases that go somewhere. 4 shifters (up/down buttons). 2 mounts for the 2 head units. 2 brake levers. I have no idea what they do besides braking.

Cool as all get out. I'll find out how many speeds it's suppose to be, once I see if the shifters/RDs work. Then I'll build it.

My prediction? 6800. Huge thanks and gratitude to @MiloFrance for his efforts on my behalf, including his idea.
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Cool bike; it's good to have a buddy in France!
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All that Mavic stuff looks like Mektronic to me.

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Can’t wait to see how this turns out.
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Mektronic, or Zap....

Thanks for volunteering to make it work, Jon! Whatta guy!
Originally Posted by hazetguy View Post
All that Mavic stuff looks like Mektronic to me.

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HA, yeah, ok! I wish I had better and more complete pics of the instructions, but at least you can id the parts and hopefully find instructions online somewhere.

Is this the frame you were wondering how the "headset" came apart?
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Is this the frame you were wondering how the "headset" came apart?
Yep, this is the huckleberry!
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Tell me, what powers the Mektronic system, Robbie? Is it possible to up the mAh to the system with a Li-ion battery pack?

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Tell me, what powers the Mektronic system, Robbie? Is it possible to up the mAh to the system with a Li-ion battery pack?

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Speak English, man!

Actually, I have no idea. It appears to use 3x CR2032 batteries. And that's the RD. Looks like 2 buttons on the "dash" console, 2 more on the R drops, and then some kind of override or initial on the R brake lever.

I think the frequency is 2.4gHz? Like the phones, and the servo in the RD drives that. L shifter is Downtube, but there's an odd lever on the L brake lever, too. I've just unpacked it. Miles did such a great job packing, it took well over an hour, then another to unwrap all the stuff from that bar without breaking a wire.

I've no idea if the R brake lever controls are absolutely essential or not, as I'd be cool with just the dash "tops" switches, or maybe the R drop bar switches.

I've seen a few pics of the bike, and most forego this stuff altogether. It does look like I have two sets, though. Interesting for sure.
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Originally Posted by horatio View Post
Can’t wait to see how this turns out.
Likely sans wires.
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Originally Posted by bikemig View Post
Cool bike; it's good to have a buddy in France!
Yes, it is. 7 months is a long time for anyone to know me and stay positive.
This was sort of his idea, so I may have to have him taken out at a later date.
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Those Meks can bring big dollars, finding the right collector is the trick.

Very nice bike Top R, Milo done you right.

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Originally Posted by RobbieTunes View Post
Speak English, man!

Actually, I have no idea. It appears to use 3x CR2032 batteries. And that's the RD.
That's it? Two coin cell batteries like one finds on a computer motherboard? Seems woefully underpowered, especially for the FD.

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Originally Posted by RobbieTunes View Post
Finally arrived. You may have to go to his thread to find out about the 8-9 bikes he picked up and hauled back to his house.

He put in a ton of work, and this was 7 months in the mix, folks, from first suggestion to picking up the bike at UPS

(I paid the duty a week ago, UPS didn't release it for the driver, so I had to go get it--poor web site, poor system, great people).

The packing by Miles was superb. One corner of the box was crushed, nothing touched the bike.

1 frameset with an Elite Ciussi that a friend may need (blue). No headset, because it doesn't really have one.

Carbon bars, 25.4/42cm. They fit! They fit! No stem. You see that thing on there....

The FD, I can relate to. Mavic. Same as the L shifter. Downtube.
I'm over the moon on that saddle. Leather Vetta Selle Bassano with labeled Reynolds 501 rails. It's very light, it's freaking gorgeous.

Other items I can understand: Octalink or Isis BB/Crankset (FSA) with 50/38 rings by TA Specialties. Look carbon pedals. 2 DA 7400 calipers. OK, that's about it.

Two RD's. Apparently 2 battery cases that go somewhere. 4 shifters (up/down buttons). 2 mounts for the 2 head units. 2 brake levers. I have no idea what they do besides braking.

Cool as all get out. I'll find out how many speeds it's suppose to be, once I see if the shifters/RDs work. Then I'll build it.

My prediction? 6800. Huge thanks and gratitude to @MiloFrance for his efforts on my behalf, including his idea.
H**Y CRAP! That is awesome.

Never even remotely wanted something like this.

Now I cannot ever unsee this, thanks alot.
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Originally Posted by cudak888 View Post
That's it? Two coin cell batteries like one finds on a computer motherboard? Seems woefully underpowered, especially for the FD.

-Kurt
Yep. One battery on the RD, one in a case on the transmitter, I'm thinking, and one for the head unit.

Oh, the FD? The FD is the same as it's been since about 1960. Manual, cable pulled, DT shifted. I know, go figure.
There is a lever on the L brake handle "body" that may be a shift lever, but the bike has a L DT shifter mounted. I'm still in the early stages, which means it's out of the box
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Nice!

This link might be of interest (click on "pages" a bit down on the page):
MAVIC - Mektronic 1999

I have the earlier ZAP system on my Geliano. Works great.

About batteries - the batteries do not move the derailleur they just give an impuls to the derailleur. I quote Chris Boardman as he explains it very understandable:
“All elements of the system were hard-wire linked. The beauty of Zap was that electricity wasn’t used to shift the gears, the battery only had to send a signal to the rear mechanism where a solenoid engaged the jockey-wheel and the rider’s pedaling action changed the gear. This meant, unlike today’s systems, the battery only had to be tiny and could be stored in a bar end.”

The only difference between the earlier ZAP and Mektronic is the latter being wireless, included a integrated computor and had a lot more design to it.

This article is interesting as it has some input about the systems:
https://pelotonmagazine.com/features...ton-mavic-zap/



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https://www.flickr.com/photos/453061...h/35913212891/

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Originally Posted by cudak888 View Post
That's it? Two coin cell batteries like one finds on a computer motherboard? Seems woefully underpowered, especially for the FD.

-Kurt
You need a flux capacitor for that group set.

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Man count me in on this one!
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Already one of the more entertaining threads to come along in a while. Should be interesting watching it play out.
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Super cool, looking forward to how this plays out.

Have thought about buying the blue Look on Paceline that seems similar but it doesn’t have the fun bits presumably taken off of Johnny 5.
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Serious "Looking" machine there Robbie. That will be a fun project.
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Pre-Plan A: wheels/cassette.
Find out from Miles how many speeds this is, and if it's Campagnolo or Shimano.
Purchase same. Mavic or something with stainless spokes.
(Euro shipping was prohibitive for the OEM wheels, i.e. box size, high $$)

Plan A:
1-Pack of batteries. Done.
2-Get one RD and one set of shifters working.
3-One head unit already works, so that's cool.
4-Get one speed sensor working, may just need a battery and wheel magnet.
5-Use the FD lever on the L brake lever/shifter body. It's friction.
-5a-Find a L Campy flat-back DT cable stop.
6-Same Mavic FD
7-Same Look seat post (adjustable set-back). Same Easton EC90 bars.
8-Prologo saddle and Pinarello MOST black calipers.
9-Same BB/FSA crankset. I like 50/38 and the rings match the FD cage.
10-Gold chain (gotta, gotta). Red housing, black wrap, red Look pedals.
11-Find a jersey.

Plan A is about having some fun with the unique setup. It's heavy, it's aero, and likely no kind of climber.
I'll simply ride it where the limitations of the setup allow, which is most places.


Pre-Plan B, if the electronic stuff just doesn't play:
Some kind of used aero wheels, likely older Zipp, HED, Aeolus.

Plan B:
1-"Eleven on Ten" Shimano wide-range cassette.
2-6800 with long cage RD (on hand)
3-Same as above on the rest.
4-This will require some cable routing. Look provides for same on the frame.

Plan B is about building it, like most of my builds, so I can take it anywhere that is paved.
The gearing is needed for climbing, as it's a heavy booger. Sounds pretty boring, though, doesn't it?

Initial impressions:
The "headset" appears to work just fine, so I may leave well enough alone. (I swear I'm looking for a grease fitting.)
The "stem" will take some adjusting, but that's what it's for. It's 25.4 only, so having a 25.4 carbon bar is lucky.
Nearly immaculate condition of the frame.
Routing for wires or cable are designed in.
The Dura Ace 7700 calipers will come in handy, but this needs black.
The saddle is a light leather beauty, a Vetta Selle Bassano with Reynolds 531 rails. Goes on the Teledyne Titan.
The seat post is 25.0, and carbon. Imagine that.


So, it begins. Have to start at the wheels/cassette, or all else is moot.
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Rob I don’t think I’ve seen a bike yet that says “you” as much as this one. Post updates!
+1. It's about as Robbie as it gets.
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Originally Posted by RobbieTunes View Post
Pre-Plan A: wheels/cassette.
Find out from Miles how many speeds this is, and if it's Campagnolo or Shimano.
Purchase same. Mavic or something with stainless spokes.
(Euro shipping was prohibitive for the OEM wheels, i.e. box size, high $$)

Plan A:
1-Pack of batteries. Done.
2-Get one RD and one set of shifters working.
3-One head unit already works, so that's cool.
4-Get one speed sensor working, may just need a battery and wheel magnet.
5-Use the FD lever on the L brake lever/shifter body. It's friction.
-5a-Find a L Campy flat-back DT cable stop.
6-Same Mavic FD
7-Same Look seat post (adjustable set-back). Same Easton EC90 bars.
8-Prologo saddle and Pinarello MOST black calipers.
9-Same BB/FSA crankset. I like 50/38 and the rings match the FD cage.
10-Gold chain (gotta, gotta). Red housing, black wrap, red Look pedals.
11-Find a jersey.

Plan A is about having some fun with the unique setup. It's heavy, it's aero, and likely no kind of climber.
I'll simply ride it where the limitations of the setup allow, which is most places.


Pre-Plan B, if the electronic stuff just doesn't play:
Some kind of used aero wheels, likely older Zipp, HED, Aeolus.

Plan B:
1-"Eleven on Ten" Shimano wide-range cassette.
2-6800 with long cage RD (on hand)
3-Same as above on the rest.
4-This will require some cable routing. Look provides for same on the frame.

Plan B is about building it, like most of my builds, so I can take it anywhere that is paved.
The gearing is needed for climbing, as it's a heavy booger. Sounds pretty boring, though, doesn't it?

Initial impressions:
The "headset" appears to work just fine, so I may leave well enough alone. (I swear I'm looking for a grease fitting.)
The "stem" will take some adjusting, but that's what it's for. It's 25.4 only, so having a 25.4 carbon bar is lucky.
Nearly immaculate condition of the frame.
Routing for wires or cable are designed in.
The Dura Ace 7700 calipers will come in handy, but this needs black.
The saddle is a light leather beauty, a Vetta Selle Bassano with Reynolds 531 rails. Goes on the Teledyne Titan.
The seat post is 25.0, and carbon. Imagine that.


So, it begins. Have to start at the wheels/cassette, or all else is moot.
What does the headset even consist of? It looks more like a hinge. I know you'll have to at least service it. Have you found a schematic online yet?
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