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Old 07-29-19, 09:16 PM
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Again with a rebuild of my 1991 Gazelle CM AB




Ultegra 6700 (53/39 crank, 12-25 6600 cassette)
Ultegra 6500 hubs / DT R450 de-stickered rims
Cinelli 1A stem / Cinelli 64-42 bars
Thomson Elite seat post / Arione black on black seat
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Runs at 11.5kg with a Blackburn frame pump, saddle bag and one large bidon on it.
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Old 07-29-19, 11:41 PM
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Another tall rider I see. The silver of the various components compliments the white and teal of the frame very nicely!
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Old 08-05-19, 12:09 PM
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Fantastic paint fade design!
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Old 08-05-19, 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by mstateglfr
I've been meaning to ask this about other member's upper tier late 80s schwinn road bikes, but keep forgetting.

I have an 87 prelude and an 88 premis, both tenax, and the seat tube is quite literally slammed and squished into the bottom bracket shell to fit with the down tube(vs being mitered/coped to fit inside the shell with joining tubes).

Any chance you happened to look at the joining method of your Prologue? I know the Prologue is Panasonic built with Prestige tubing, vs Greenville built with Tenax tubing like the rest of the upper tier of bikes, but just curious if the slam and squish build method was used for the highest level bikes too(with Prestige or SL tubing).
When I converted my '88 Premis the tubes were "slammed and squished" as you put it, although I'd say they were squeezed at the end to make them clear the other tubes in the bottom bracket. While this worked ok for old school BB's when putting in a modern Shimano 24mm bearing set I did have to take a Dremel tool to the tube ends so they wouldn't interfere with the threads of the bearing cups. However, my '88 Circuit (Columbus SL) has nicely mitered and fitted tubes in the BB area. I've also modernized an '87 Super Sport which is also Tenax but the tubes are also mitered not squished. So it seems to me that only the higher level bikes, Super Sport, Circuit, Prologue, Peloton got mitering and the lower ones, Tempo, Premis, Prelude, got squished.
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Old 08-05-19, 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by RiddleOfSteel

Oh my!

That is a stunning build.

Do you, by chance, still have any pictures of your old chrome Super Le Tour wearing modern parts? I may have a line on some free 10 speed wheels (black H Plus Son Archetypes) that has gotten me thinking about putting 10 speed Tiagra or 105 on mine. I tried searching this thread for your posts but the pictures have gone away...
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Old 08-06-19, 01:20 AM
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Originally Posted by abshipp
Oh my!

That is a stunning build.

Do you, by chance, still have any pictures of your old chrome Super Le Tour wearing modern parts? I may have a line on some free 10 speed wheels (black H Plus Son Archetypes) that has gotten me thinking about putting 10 speed Tiagra or 105 on mine. I tried searching this thread for your posts but the pictures have gone away...
Thank you!

Man, two years ago feels like forever in Bike Years for me. Definitely going into the vault!

1977 Schwinn Super Le Tour 12.2 - full chrome - 25" frameset - top tube I think was just 57cm. I scraped away ALL the rust and cleaned and polished the entire frameset over many hours. New decals etc. Here is it/was waith 7900 Dura-Ace shifters, 7800 derailleurs and crankset, 9-11-speed Vuelta Corsa Lite wheels and 32mm tires. Quill stem conversion running to 31.8mm clamp diameter bars. I also ran it with chrome fenders and Campagnolo.

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Old 08-06-19, 01:36 PM
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I've got an '89 Puch - Columbus Cromor tubing - that rides so nice.
Cromor is a severely underrated tubeset, IMO. My Atala has it, and it's terrific.
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Old 08-06-19, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by ski4bob
When I converted my '88 Premis the tubes were "slammed and squished" as you put it, although I'd say they were squeezed at the end to make them clear the other tubes in the bottom bracket. While this worked ok for old school BB's when putting in a modern Shimano 24mm bearing set I did have to take a Dremel tool to the tube ends so they wouldn't interfere with the threads of the bearing cups. However, my '88 Circuit (Columbus SL) has nicely mitered and fitted tubes in the BB area. I've also modernized an '87 Super Sport which is also Tenax but the tubes are also mitered not squished. So it seems to me that only the higher level bikes, Super Sport, Circuit, Prologue, Peloton got mitering and the lower ones, Tempo, Premis, Prelude, got squished.
Hey thanks for the response! Interesting that they even did some Tenax level frames with mitered tubes.
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Old 08-06-19, 04:19 PM
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Haven't played in a while, that's for sure. Member @cpsqlrwn did me a solid on selling me this, and I'm fairly certain it's a climber for my future.

10-sp Centaur triple, Aerohead rims, and all the usual suspects. Went to Xpedo Thrust 7 pedals because they're cool. Finished it, finally.




















Well, I thought it looked really good with the Tri color group on it. But.........it looks even better now! Shiny is always hard to beat. That cable also looks better than what was on it.
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Old 08-06-19, 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by familyguy
Again with a rebuild of my 1991 Gazelle CM AB




Ultegra 6700 (53/39 crank, 12-25 6600 cassette)
Ultegra 6500 hubs / DT R450 de-stickered rims
Cinelli 1A stem / Cinelli 64-42 bars
Thomson Elite seat post / Arione black on black seat
Speedplay pedals
Elite cages

Runs at 11.5kg with a Blackburn frame pump, saddle bag and one large bidon on it.
Pretty bike. That paint scheme is su-weet!
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Old 08-06-19, 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by RiddleOfSteel
Thank you!

Man, two years ago feels like forever in Bike Years for me. Definitely going into the vault!

1977 Schwinn Super Le Tour 12.2 - full chrome - 25" frameset - top tube I think was just 57cm. I scraped away ALL the rust and cleaned and polished the entire frameset over many hours. New decals etc. Here is it/was waith 7900 Dura-Ace shifters, 7800 derailleurs and crankset, 9-11-speed Vuelta Corsa Lite wheels and 32mm tires. Quill stem conversion running to 31.8mm clamp diameter bars. I also ran it with chrome fenders and Campagnolo.

Oh my, that’s really nice! You’ve outdone yourself.
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Originally Posted by Andy_K
Oh my, that’s really nice! You’ve outdone yourself.
Thank you! I think one of the reasons I ended up selling however long ago I did, was that it has that 21.0mm steerer/stem diameter to work with instead of the normal 22.2mm. Looking back, I would have been happy to have had the material removed to get it to 22.2mm. The thickness would not have been any different/less than the millions of other 22.2mm ID steerers with 1" threaded headsets, and the SLT didn't use crummy steel. Maybe another one some day, maybe a chrome Paramount frameset for a deal (really, just about any P13-9 I'd be fine with). Sometimes I thought that the SLT, especially in chrome, was a budget P13 in some ways.
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The hits keep coming. Every one posted is wow! I pick one out here are there and talk about it, but they are all smoking. So much better than the sea of Matte that we see in the modern era.
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Old 08-07-19, 12:53 PM
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Mid 80's Bianchi Nuova Alloro

Here's my 80's Bianchi with 10 speed record. First bike ever with integrated shifters haha
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Originally Posted by RiddleOfSteel


Nice. Very nice.
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Originally Posted by hellojoben
Here's my 80's Bianchi with 10 speed record. First bike ever with integrated shifters haha
Ooooohhh, another lovely teal bike! What is that between the RD cable and the RD? Looks like a demultiplicator of some kind.

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Originally Posted by RiddleOfSteel
Thank you! I think one of the reasons I ended up selling however long ago I did, was that it has that 21.0mm steerer/stem diameter to work with instead of the normal 22.2mm. Looking back, I would have been happy to have had the material removed to get it to 22.2mm. The thickness would not have been any different/less than the millions of other 22.2mm ID steerers with 1" threaded headsets, and the SLT didn't use crummy steel. Maybe another one some day, maybe a chrome Paramount frameset for a deal (really, just about any P13-9 I'd be fine with). Sometimes I thought that the SLT, especially in chrome, was a budget P13 in some ways.
I hear you about the 21.0 steerer. I thought about doing something similar with my Voyageur, but @gugie convinced me that I had probably over-invested by using left over craft store paint to touch it up. (It had substantial front end collision damage when I got it.)

Your balancing of black and chrome was outstanding. It makes me think I should consider more black for my Pinarello.
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Not mine...Waterford with Campy Veloce 10spd on eBay

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Waterford-1...9ad5%7Ciid%3A1

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Just finished this. I have no real use for it so the frame sat u touched for 2 years. I threw it up on CL to see if someone can use it more than me.

'93 Cannondale T700 frame and fork. 2x9 Microshift shifters mated to Tiagra derailleurs. A Sakar crank with 50/34 rings makes for a nice modern drivetrain with older style look.
The bars are Soma hwy1 since modern bands work great with STI shifting. Deore/rhynolite wheelset finished it off.

Hope someone can use it for trail riding, commuting, or touring. A few small changes would make it a great touring bike since it has plenty of mounts.

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Originally Posted by RiddleOfSteel

Beautiful! Thanks so much!

Regarding the 21mm steerer, it is a bit of a bummer. I'm fortunate enough that currently the stem extension works well for me and I don't have to worry about finding a different one that would fit the steer tube. It's not the prettiest stem though

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Originally Posted by Andy_K
I hear you about the 21.0 steerer. I thought about doing something similar with my Voyageur, but @gugie convinced me that I had probably over-invested by using left over craft store paint to touch it up. (It had substantial front end collision damage when I got it.)

Your balancing of black and chrome was outstanding. It makes me think I should consider more black for my Pinarello.
Thanks! Every bike is different with regard to how much they want of a certain color--I say this as I try to remember your Pinarello (red lugs correct?)--as well as the components you put on them. I find chrome bikes (even bikes with fully chrome forks and painted frames) very tricky. Modern Campagnolo has that lovely lustrous silver finish, but it is nowhere near chrome. I see this on chrome Paramounts as well. It just looks like too much 'silver' competing for attention. Enter black, and some select high polish elements (thank you, 7800 Dura-Ace). The black headset and, well, most of the components, helped keep the chrome as the main focus without any competing 'duller' silver elements. I even had nice chrome fenders on it and used it as a rain bike briefly before the fenders and 25mm tires decided to be much more finicky than I would have liked.

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Nice. Very nice.
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Originally Posted by abshipp
Beautiful! Thanks so much!

Regarding the 21mm steerer, it is a bit of a bummer. I'm fortunate enough that currently the stem extension works well for me and I don't have to worry about finding a different one that would fit the steer tube. It's not the prettiest stem though
You're welcome. I was very thankful to find a quill stem converter (as seen in the photo) for a 21.0mm ID steerer, but it had 1/2" of taper instead of the 2-3mm of 'taper'/chamfer that we see with normal 22.2mm ID quill stem converters. I won mostly, haha.
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Originally Posted by RiddleOfSteel
Thanks! Every bike is different with regard to how much they want of a certain color--I say this as I try to remember your Pinarello (red lugs correct?)--as well as the components you put on them. I find chrome bikes (even bikes with fully chrome forks and painted frames) very tricky. Modern Campagnolo has that lovely lustrous silver finish, but it is nowhere near chrome. I see this on chrome Paramounts as well. It just looks like too much 'silver' competing for attention. Enter black, and some select high polish elements (thank you, 7800 Dura-Ace). The black headset and, well, most of the components, helped keep the chrome as the main focus without any competing 'duller' silver elements. I even had nice chrome fenders on it and used it as a rain bike briefly before the fenders and 25mm tires decided to be much more finicky than I would have liked.
You are remembering the Pinarello correctly. I went with black components for exactly the reasons you describe, but I'm afraid the gray chain rings take away some of the punch. And even with the barrier that colored lugs give me the merely silver bits -- headset, seat post, stem, wheels -- can't coordinate with the chrome. I'm not saying I'm not happy with this bike, but I feel like it could be better. Some days I think I should have gone with the full red main triangle that it had when it was new.



And for some reason I can't take a good picture of this bike.
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Originally Posted by Andy_K
You are remembering the Pinarello correctly. I went with black components for exactly the reasons you describe, but I'm afraid the gray chain rings take away some of the punch. And even with the barrier that colored lugs give me the merely silver bits -- headset, seat post, stem, wheels -- can't coordinate with the chrome. I'm not saying I'm not happy with this bike, but I feel like it could be better. Some days I think I should have gone with the full red main triangle that it had when it was new.



And for some reason I can't take a good picture of this bike.
The black components, in the effort to balance color composition, need some "friends" and by that I mean that, if you have a pair, putting a wheelset with at least black rims on, if not black spokes and hubs. Those wheels will provide considerable visual aid to the black Campy bits. I wouldn't worry about the warm grey chainrings not helping out--they look really cool--there's barely any black on the bike outside of the components. Black wheels will set the contrast for the lower half of the bike, with the, IMO, seatpost needing to be black next. The stem is critical in height and reach for you, and since there is catalog precedent for mismatching stems and seatposts, that can be left for now. The bar tape and hoods are fine as red--that's an integral part of the theme, but yeah, you need a phalanx of black.
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Maybe something more like this? The photo is, as we know, a bit on the exposed side, so my corrective magic is limited (especially with the medium resolution).

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