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So my rear tire gave up after 1000miles. Any recommendations for a new one?

Old 08-19-19, 01:00 PM
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Nobody's mentioned Continentals? I thought the Gran Prix 4000 was the go-to on this forum.

My new bike came with Continental UltraSport 28mm, which I've had no problems with on smooth pavement in summer, after a few weekends at 30-50 miles. My other bike has Vittoria Rubino Pro 3 25mm, and those are fine too. I run low 80s on the 28mm Contis, but just can't get used to <100psi on the 25mm Vittorias, so usually run them closer to about 103-105psi.

Come to think of it, maybe I'm just not that picky when it comes to tires.
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Old 08-19-19, 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by WhyFi View Post
I've been tempted by Vittoria but the nomenclature/variety/versions confuse me to the point that I just look elsewhere.
Someone said this to me a month ago in a ride. Confusing lines and models make it impossible to know what to buy.

Their linups are Corsa at the top, then Rubino, then lower lines.

Within each line there is "Control" with tread for winter and bad weather, "Endurance" for long life, "Speed" for a light, supple ride and the regular Corsa or Rubino for all around riding.

But yeah, Vittoria doesn't do themselves any favors with their names.


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Old 08-19-19, 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by TimothyH View Post
Someone said this to me a month ago in a ride. Confusing lines and models make it impossible to know what to buy.

Their linups are Corsa at the top, then Rubino, then lower lines.

Within each line there is "Control" with tread for winter and bad weather, "Endurance" for long life, "Speed" for a light, supple ride and the regular Corsa or Rubino for all around riding.

But yeah, Vittoria doesn't do themselves any favors with their names.


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Okay. Where do Graphene, G+, and G2/Graphene 2 come in? Is this kinda like Conti's Black Chili additive and G2 is the most current? Did one of these generations sucks?
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Originally Posted by aliasfox View Post
Nobody's mentioned Continentals? I thought the Gran Prix 4000 was the go-to on this forum.
Nah, the latest trend is to trash 'em and say the sidewalls all assplode, esp when descending at 50mph.
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Old 08-20-19, 04:27 AM
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Originally Posted by TimothyH View Post
I recommend an upgrade to Vittoria tires when the inferior Michelin tire test is complete.
The Michelin endurance tires offer adequate, long-lasting performance at a reasonable price, which makes them my favorite high-mileage training tires. The Corsas are in a performance different league, but at 2-3x the cost. I find myself using Michelins most of the time for JRA and the Corsas or RH tires for brevets.
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Originally Posted by eduskator View Post
They are 25mm tires. I'm 200 pounds. I need that pressure in my rear tire.
Not true I'm 240 and ride at about 100 psi in the rear . And 90 in the front with Conti 4000 learn to unwieght the bike when going over pot holes if your not doing so already. Haven't had a flat in at least 6 months or so or About. 2500 miles .of riding.
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Originally Posted by ksryder View Post
This. I'd support you to try a 28mm at 80 psi. Don't pay attention to deflection or the fact that it feels different than you're used to. Go out for your normal 20-mile ride and when you get home look at the numbers and compare them.

You're always free to go back to 120 psi if it doesn't work for you.
Why..? I get that a lot of folks are 'getting away' with running lower pressure for comfort reasons, but I don't believe I've yet to see evidence of better performance, or proof that these lower pressures aren't more prone to pinch flats.

Here's the calculator results for 25 or 28mm tires, (I added 20lbs to accommodate the OP's bike/gear)


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Old 08-20-19, 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Jack Tone View Post
The 3 tire inflation charts I just checked all recommended over 100 (rear tire) for a 200 lb. rider. More depending on the weight of the bike. 106 to 116 psi. I weigh around 210 and I usually run 95 front 115 rear on my 25's.
Run what your comfy with but I run conti 4k's at 90/95 after running them at around 110 or so for my first year of riding. Huge difference in comfort and handling. These are 25's and I weigh the same as you. I'd also recommend these tires as well. Fairly light and very durable for me. I ride some pretty rough country roads and they are holding up great.
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Old 08-20-19, 05:49 AM
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I run and have run Schwalbe ones and pro ones with success. Like everyone else says, drop the pressure down, 100 should be plenty.
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Old 08-20-19, 06:11 AM
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Originally Posted by WhyFi View Post
Okay. Where do Graphene, G+, and G2/Graphene 2 come in? Is this kinda like Conti's Black Chili additive and G2 is the most current? Did one of these generations sucks?

G+ are first generation graphene.

G2/Graphene 2.0 are the current version, second generation graphene.

I've used the first gen Rubino Speed G+ on my road and fixed gear bikes. I love them and many are on discount since the relase of Graphene 2.0.


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Old 08-20-19, 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Sy Reene View Post
Why..? I get that a lot of folks are 'getting away' with running lower pressure for comfort reasons, but I don't believe I've yet to see evidence of better performance, or proof that these lower pressures aren't more prone to pinch flats.
Suspension losses. You obviously still want to keep enough pressure so that you don't induce undue risk of pinch flats.
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Old 08-20-19, 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by noodle soup View Post
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+1 I find Gatorskins a horrible ride, but some people swear by then.
I recommend ignoring those people.
FWIW I was in this camp as well, hating my previous experience on 25mm gatorskins. I'm a 185lb rider, and had been running at 90-95psi. After educating myself on proper tire pressures I went back to the Gators and run them at 80psi.

The ride is smoother and a little faster, I attribute the smidge of extra speed to being more comfortable the whole ride. I don't mind gatorskins at all anymore at 80psi, but anything above and yeah - frozen garden hose!
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I just switched from 23mm pro 4 tires to 25mm power endurance. The tread obviously wears longer, based on how long it took just to wear the mold parting line off the front tire. There is no reason for the puncture resistance to be worse. The frequency of flats is merely by chance. I've ridden about 3500 miles on the pro 4 tires without a flat, but all it takes is one broken bottle on the road to end that lucky streak.

Be sure that you have clearance for the 28mm size. Not all bikes do.
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Old 08-20-19, 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by DaveSSS View Post

Be sure that you have clearance for the 28mm size. Not all bikes do.
Giant states that 28mm tires will fit on his bike(Giant Defy Advanced 3 2017).

Most manufacturers allow for plenty of clearance when stating max tire size
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Thanks for your valuable inputs! I bought a set of Michelin Power Endurance yesterday. I stayed with 25mm. They were on sale, lucky me! With these being 2x more expensive than the cheapest ones they had in store (Cont. Ultra Sport II), I hope they will last at least twice as much. I'll get them Thursday, and will try running them at 110PSI this time.

They tried selling me the Gatorskins, but I didn't have a good feeling so I passed. After reading your replies here, I think I made the right call. After seing how my other tire had worn out from the inside, he said it was probably a manufacturing defect. It would have been hard to argue that so I didn't bother.

And yes, 28mm do fit on Defys. TCRs as well I believe.

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I bought Gatorskins last year because this is goathead country, but it turns out they weren't needed and they do ride poorly. I like the Michelin Pro 4, but the power endurance should last longer and I wanted to upsize to the more modern 25mm, even though I only weigh 140. After an 8 year hiatus, it seems that few folks now choose the 23mm size.
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I bought Gatorskins last year because this is goathead country, but it turns out they weren't needed and they do ride poorly. I like the Michelin Pro 4, but the power endurance should last longer and I wanted to upsize to the more modern 25mm, even though I only weigh 140. After an 8 year hiatus, it seems that few folks now choose the 23mm size.


Yep! Trends, itís all about trends & what the industry can do to make people spend $ on products they already have. Tire width & rim VS disc brakes are a good example.
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Yep! Trends, itís all about trends & what the industry can do to make people spend $ on products they already have. Tire width & rim VS disc brakes are a good example.
Yep. All trends. No substance. It's not as if advancements in manufacturing or material sciences or a greater understanding of how factors interact has anything to do with anything.
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Originally Posted by eduskator View Post

Yep! Trends, itís all about trends & what the industry can do to make people spend $ on products they already have. Tire width & rim VS disc brakes are a good example.
If you took the advice of those that recommended 28mm tires, you would realize itís not just a scheme to take more $$$ from you.
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Yeah yeah, and in a few years people will switch back to narrow tires because XYZ research will have proven otherwise. Guess who subsidise them?
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Yeah yeah, and in a few years people will switch back to narrow tires because XYZ research will have proven otherwise. Guess who subsidise them?
I give up - who?
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These tires have been OK so far, 1500KM~.

I discovered a couple of years ago, after riding home on a slow leak that 100+ PSI is overkill, I now run between 75-80PSI without issues.

Also, latex tubes might be worth consideration, far less likely to pinch flat, and in my experience they have a much smoother ride compared to any butyl tubes I have used.
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Originally Posted by eduskator View Post
Yeah yeah, and in a few years people will switch back to narrow tires because XYZ research will have proven otherwise. Guess who subsidise them?
A rear tire lasts about 3 months(3k miles). If you try a tire size(28mm) that's recommended to you(and you don't like it), how much does it really cost you? $80?

What if it feels much better?

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Old 08-20-19, 11:39 PM
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Originally Posted by WhyFi View Post
I give up - who?
Some newbs seem to think we profit from their purchases.

You and I aren't recommending the purchase of new wheels, just to try a father tire.

Tires are cheap, and if he rides much, they'll only last 6 months(max).
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OP, nobody makes extra money from you trying a 28mm tire. They usually cost exactly as much as 25s despite being made of more rubber.

You might be right that people will eventually go back to narrow tires, and I could tell you a bunch of reasons why you should try 28s anyway but thereís plenty of literature on the internet to help you with that.

Just keep in mind that the benefits of wider tires and lower pressures are far more apparent with high end, supple tires. Unfortunately, these rarely last too long and are usually quite expensive. The GP5000, Vittoria Corsa 2.0, Hutchinson Fusion, and maybe the upcoming specialized RapidAir are some examples of tires that you might try the 28mm version of. Tires are a wear item anyway, and I promise you that you wonít *hate* the 28mm tire as long as you set the pressure appropriately and understand that smoother is faster.
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