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Old 09-11-19, 11:11 AM
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It seems to me that blinky lights are easier to notice than steady lights. Perhaps they are harder to track and gauge where they are, but I can't see how the difference is much. In any case, you get the best of both worlds if you use both types of lights at once. I often run a blinky taillight and a steady taillight.

I agree that a blinky headlight is silly at night. Well, some use them, but I have no interest. It seems useful in the day. The Cygolite headlights have a "steady flash" mode that gives a burst of high intensity while otherwise staying steady at medium intensity. I find I can ride with this, though it is a bit distracting to me.

I'm glad the German laws led to the development of excellent lights, but I think the laws are too restrictive, and I'm glad we don't have similar laws here in US.
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Originally Posted by noglider View Post
These ratings are just ratings, not actual outputs. The hub puts out more than the rated output above a certain speed. And the lights probably go to full brightness before reaching the rated required power. That's why using a 2.4w hub won't be noticeably different.
Yeah most LED headlights don't use anywhere near the full 2.4W budget, they burn it off with a resistor. It's an artificial limitation to make room in the market for brighter and more expensive models, which I think is another thing that needs cracking down on.

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Horse, I'm thoroughly enjoying the electrical science you're providing (honestly, you are demystifying a lot of things in short order) - but kindly keep the politics and judgement calls for a different thread. I deal in the muck of US bicycle advocacy every day at work, and I really don't want to get that sort of heartburn here. I created the build thread for mutual enjoyment, not for A&S.

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Check out European brands. Busch + Muller, Axa and Herrmans to name a few. Most, if not all of them use them.
The word to look for is "standlight" or "steadylight".

I don't think it's a regulation thing as I have bought models without a standlight (Axa) in the past and they continue to be sold in some places for really cheap bikes. Think €5 dynamo lights.
I did those tests using the LimeBike's light and the two generator hubs today, and - sure enough - the Blaze-Lite equipped on it has the built-in capacitor. It holds it's brightness fairly well (it's still feeding the LED a tiny bit of power right now, 20 minutes later).

That said, I also checked the Nexus 2.4W hub against the Chinese 3W. To be honest, it felt as if the 3W was a bit brighter. Not enough to make much of a difference, but a difference nonetheless.

Of note: The Lime's LED taillight is completely dead.

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A few bits of progress tonight - starting with the fork. Headset nut was on tighter than anything I'd seen in ages, and I had to put a pair of dropout alignment tools in the fork just to get enough leverage with it.

The crown race wasn't seating as tight as I'd like, so I ran it through the J.A. Stein knurling tool. Much better.




Got the fork in the Park alignment tool, and will take care of spreading it to 100mm (from ~85mm) during the week. Will also have to open the dropout slots a tad.



I've decided to go radical anyway - rear brake is going to be the black Tektro 900A (which fits quite nicely), and I have a black 800A on order from Japan (one of the Arai-branded ones off eBay). Apparently, I can't get a rear 800A in black anyway.

I decided to do this when I couldn't convince myself that a silver front dynamo hub would look good with that huge, black G9 hub in the back - so I also ordered a nutted, black, Shimano DH-3N31-NT for the front:




The way I see it, the 1980 Raleigh Sports is so far removed from it's heritage that building it up with some decidedly modern touches might suit it. That, and it needs something to break up all the monotony of silver - even though there's a certain monochromatic theme going on here. 50 Shades of Ralgrey?

In continuing with that theme, I'm planning on getting a pair of these too, which came up in the 1954 Raleigh Sports discussion. They're not period accurate or even accurate to the mid-logo grey grips of the 1950's, but they look right and play into the black theme:







Incidentally - this ought to give more than a few of you the willies - I'm considering drilling a small hole in the steerer tube to route the dynamo wiring for the back. Straight up the bottom of the crown, through the steerer, and out through the downtube and BB shell.

The steerer tube on this bike feels ridiculously thick and heavy, so I'm not convinced a 4mm hole that's nowhere near the stem wedge is going to be the end of the world. Nevertheless, I'm considering having the (proposed) hole reinforced with a suitably-sized washer soldered/brazed to it. Should be more than enough to ensure that things will remain safe.

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A few bits of progress tonight -

...The way I see it, the 1980 Raleigh Sports is so far removed from it's heritage that building it up with some decidedly modern touches might suit it. That, and it needs something to break up all the monotony of silver - even though there's a certain monochromatic theme going on here. 50 Shades of Ralgrey?

-Kurt
...and now for the soft porn of British C&V.

Chapter One: The Pastor Visits The Shed
It began on a forlorn New Hampshire afternoon. The sky was overcast. Winter was in the air. The cycling season would soon abruptly end in the mountains of northern New England. Gray clouds hung low upon the bald granite summits, which had been scraped cleaned eons ago by dirty glaciers riding hard upon their surfaces. Subsequently sooty forest fires insured their continued 360 degree views. Yet it was the power and forces of a desperate mother nature which had shaped this darkening landscape over the course of many eons--- which remain shrouded in the mysterious fog of a land long unwatched by human eyes.

On that day when gray sleet pellets annoyingly announced their chilling intentions with an occasional "whack-whack" to the Bell helmet, the pastor trundled his way up the broken asphalt drive from the main road circling the wind chopped lake. There the docks had all been pulled and stacked neatly away from the shoreline. The boats, kayaks and canoes, were wrapped for their long winter naps. Steely ice was beginning to cluster and grow around boulders standing proud from wind whipped waves. Wrenching season was descending with a vengeance.

The pastor was heading to the fabled village "stump dump." Here the citizens came to make deposits; no longer functioning appliances, yard debris of branches and dead leaves, spent propane canisters, scrap metal, and the odds and ends of long forgotten, neglected, and no longer needed basement, attic, garage, and shed treasures. These latter things were first placed in or around the shed. The pastor checked here first.

There was nothing special about the shed--- itself. A wooden structure built by civil servants from scrap or repurposed spare lumber. From the inside gaps between ill-fitted boards admitted feeble late fall sunlight--- the little that could permeate the deepening overcast. They had probably constructed it during an in between time--- plowing and other road-agent work. Despite its lack of pedigree--- the shed contained treasures--- or the possibility of treasures--- none the less.

To be continued....
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The pastor was heading to the fabled village "stump dump." Here the citizens came to make deposits; no longer functioning appliances, yard debris of branches and dead leaves, spent propane canisters, scrap metal, and the odds and ends of long forgotten, neglected, and no longer needed basement, attic, garage, and shed treasures. These latter things were first placed in or around the shed. The pastor checked here first.
I know the story...and I'm already eagerly awaiting to hear you spin poetic of the rest in Part 2...

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Spent a sweaty and very uncomfortable evening in the workshop tonight, spreading the fork from 85mm to 100mm.



There is nothing - and I mean nothing - approaching accuracy or "quality workmanship" on this fork. The hole is slightly offset in the front, the blades do not sit straight or equal in the internal lugs that are cast into the crown, and everything just looks like crap.

Had to file the top curve of the left dropout to get the wheel fit right.



Lousy shot of the rear brake installed:



Was also able to get a brand-new-in-box Brooks B.66 from the LBS for $60 today.

Also, in the meantime, @pastorbobnlnh, facilitated yet another steed into the stable - an all-original 1953 Sports off of eBay. Got a screaming good deal thanks to it being a local pick-up!

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Spent a sweaty and very uncomfortable evening in the workshop tonight....

Also, in the meantime, @pastorbobnlnh, facilitated yet another steed into the stable - an all-original 1953 Sports off of eBay. Got a screaming good deal thanks to it being a local pick-up!

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...meanwhile, it's a cool 41F here in the NH mountains this morning. This 66 year old might find the humidity and heat of southeast FL to be a bit much.



50 Shades of Ralgrey continued....

Chapter 2: The Shed Reveals its Contents

As on most visits to The Shed, the pastor had pedaled about 8 miles from his home, located on the opposite side of the town proper, on one of his vintage Schwinns. He has possessed many, half of which had been previously rescued from the town's "Stump Dump." A Kool Lemon Varsity, a Radiant Blue Continental, two Super Sports--- an original Burgundy and a custom painted and Campagnoloed one nicknamed "Sporty." And the most prized Schwinn at that time was a 1966 P13 Paramount in Coppertone. Which Schwinn transported the pastor to the shed on that fortunate day in the early years of this century, has been long forgotten.

That fabled day was not dissimilar to uncountable other visits; his Schwinn was carefully propped against the outside wall, drive side outwards to protect precious derailleurs. A quick scan of the metal heap, about 100 feet distant at wood's edge, and then--- to the door. The Shed's door is a poor excuse for carpentry. It creaks and groans as the rusty pin is pulled from the hasp holding it mostly closed. It's not balanced nor square. Gaps between boards allow vermin to easily infiltrate the interior. Yet it protects the contents from most of the elements, including the occasional sleet pellets currently careening off The Shed's rusty galvanized roof.

The wind was blowing steady and strong from the northwest, against the door, yet despite this force, any treasures which awaited would soon be revealed. With pin pulled, the door groaned, and swung outward despite mother nature's icy breath. The interior darkness was thick, and at first the pastor's eyes could not adjust to the inky shadows. A scattering of uninteresting trinkets lay on shelves to his right. Those were easily seen in the light from the doorway. Deeper and straight ahead, there appeared to be a cabinet, an assortment of garden tools, shovels, rakes, and a pick. Other objects were emerging from the gloom as pupils widened and adjusted and compensated for the lack of daylight.

Excited, with heartbeat ticking ever upwards, the pastor stepped into the cold interior. Scanning from right to left, and deeper into the darkness, his eyes and mind assessed and interpreted the contents: A barely used Nordic Ski exercise machine. An office swivel chair sans one caster. A pack-n-play portable crib. A handful of dented folding chairs. Finally, in the darkest corner--- handlebars, saddles, wheels! The Shed refused to disappoint! Yet in the chill of that lonely corner, with the deep overcast outside and overhead, the shroud of mystery hung tight.

...to be continued....

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Uploading these - story to follow...

Spent the evening grinding out the lower headtube breathing hole, put there when the frame was originally brazed. It's now about 1/2" from its original 1/4" - and surprisingly enough, it's not sharp at all to the touch.

Some 80 grit sandpaper helped there, but getting my fingers in here with the paper is difficult enough, much less the Dremel.



As you can see, by 1980, nobody cared about grinding out the bottom of the stamped welds on any Sports. Not that it was that much better in the 1970's.

If it wasn't for the fact that these are still nice riding and stiff frames, these 1980's models are a cheap handlebar stem and bad fenders away from being an AMF (and not a Raleigh-built AMF Hercules).

Since I had some, I went ahead and smeared Plastidip around the hole. Can't hurt to protect the eventual wiring.


CRAFTSMANSHIP!


This is the exit hole I drilled in the BB. Lined it with a paint pen to prevent rust. Have to install a BB dust shield in here now.

Get a load of the terrible kickstand mount and BB tack welds that grace these later frames.



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...meanwhile, it's a cool 41F here in the NH mountains this morning. This 66 year old might find the humidity and heat of southeast FL to be a bit much.
Oh, I think he'll find the soothing oxalic acid baths of Florida's sunny Raleigh retirement villages a nice change

Isn't it ironic that after trying to dredge up the '80 Sports again after all this time, another '50s Sports comes around to play hot-shot upstart?

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50 Shades of Ralgrey continued....

Chapter 2: The Shed Reveals its Contents

There's a novelist waiting to be born in you, Bob. Keep it up, and they'll name it the Raleigh Miracle Shed of New Hampshire.

The fact that you remember that story so well gets me every time.

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Heading into the mid 30s tonight. This old boy will be begging for some FL sunshine come morning!

Chapter 3 will need to wait until tomorrow or Friday. I'm off to a church meeting early this morning and no time for creative fun.

I'm actually fictionalizing many, many, many of my trips to the "Stump Dump" into one literary Tour de Force (may it be with you ). It has got me thinking that maybe I should start a thread for C&V inspired short fiction, where other hacks like myself can "publish." My biggest challenge is that I also write a great deal--- every week, which constantly taps into the creativity reserves.
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Finding all the flaws in the '80 bike, why continue with it? You'll soon have the '53 bike, and I know you'll do great things with that. It will prove to be a good specimen.
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Finding all the flaws in the '80 bike, why continue with it? You'll soon have the '53 bike, and I know you'll do great things with that. It will prove to be a good specimen.
Because the '80 is new enough and so far removed from the '50s models that I don't have that much remorse modifying it. Or putting a practical rack on it. I couldn't bring myself to drill a hole in one of the '50s models or do anything that'd kill its original appearance.

It's also lighter, which makes it exceedingly well suited to this modernization campaign...

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Tangential Distraction: At The Shed at the Stump Dump 09/18/2019--- Another English Invader wrecks havoc in New Hampshire!



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Tangential Distraction: At The Shed at the Stump Dump 09/18/2019--- Another English Invader wrecks havoc in New Hampshire!
Well, that's fairly unexpected! Also pretty unusual to dig up a Norman (though unsurprising that it's via Western Auto). Did you have a chance to check the hub date?

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Well, that's fairly unexpected! Also pretty unusual to dig up a Norman (though unsurprising that it's via Western Auto). Did you have a chance to check the hub date?

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I did not check--- but I wanted to. There was too much grime and crud on the hub shell and I didn't have a rag nor gloves.

However, ya gotta' love that gold head tube and the deep "V" gold highlights with white pin stripes on the down tube and fork stays. If I lived someplace flatter, it make a great grab n go ride.
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I did not check--- but I wanted to. There was too much grime and crud on the hub shell and I didn't have a rag nor gloves.

However, ya gotta' love that gold head tube and the deep "V" gold highlights with white pin stripes on the down tube and fork stays. If I lived someplace flatter, it make a great grab n go ride.
Wish I could help give that one a home, but I already have too many unfinished projects and clutter at the moment - plus, I don't fit it.

Hey, an 8 or 9 speed IGH can make that thing work...

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P.S. on a side tangent of IGH hubs:

I decided to put the X-RF8 that @dweenk sent to me on the Gazelle, and repurpose it into a commuter. Since it's a modern bike, I don't mind gearing down to a 28 or 30t front ring to get the best out of the 8-speed. That also does away with the annoying coasterbrake on the Nexus.

I'm also going to modify the front basket from one of the spare Dallas ofos that @cooperryder sent parts from. It's a direct fit, but the headset bracket is 1-1/8", and the Gazelle is 1". I figure I'll put some MIG tack welds around the circumference to build up the area, then grind it smooth and re-bore it for the 1" steerer. Otherwise, the rack is a drop-in fit.

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The ruination of sacred originality continues. I might add that the hub slips into the respaced and re-slotted fork as nicely as you could ever ask for.





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Because the '80 is new enough and so far removed from the '50s models that I don't have that much remorse modifying it. Or putting a practical rack on it. I couldn't bring myself to drill a hole in one of the '50s models or do anything that'd kill its original appearance.

It's also lighter, which makes it exceedingly well suited to this modernization campaign...

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Hi Kurt, are you going to make a thread for the '53 Sports? Curious to see the differences compared to my 1950. Love to see lots of photos when you have time. My AG has started ticking louder after a 12 mile ride yesterday. It must need to eat some oil.
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Hi Kurt, are you going to make a thread for the '53 Sports? Curious to see the differences compared to my 1950. Love to see lots of photos when you have time. My AG has started ticking louder after a 12 mile ride yesterday. It must need to eat some oil.
I will, when it arrives - Bob is a bit busy right now and he probably won't be able to ship it out until sometime later in October. From what I can see, it is mostly identical to my 1951. Pretty sure there's not much difference, except that the '53 an AW with a Dynohub in front and runs conventional Raleigh steel Westrick rims.

While it has nothing to do with C&V, I really want to share the build of that Gazelle Whale here too, since it's turning out to be one of those DIY frankenbikes that only C&V'ers and eccentric bicycle mechanics build for themselves. I've decided to hot-rod it with a Sturmey X-RF8 (and I'll need a shifter to go with it; the original one is cracked), and it so happens the rack from one of the spare Dallas ofos (the Tianjin Fuji-Ta version) fit perfectly on it...until I realized the Whale has a 1" headset. The ofo, like most share bikes, has a 1-1/8" headset and adapter to suit.

A bit of work with the MIG welder took care of the problem. The process isn't pretty, but the end result is fits properly and snugly, and that's about all one can or should be asking from it. I only wish this Gazelle had one of those neat locking headsets for parking...







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Some more sidetracking as I wait for parts to arrive: Checked with Mike Terraferma, and he advised that brazing the washer would more likely burn the paint off the crown - even with wet rags - and that the steerer is ridiculously thick and should be fine if drilled conservatively.

Also mounted the NOS-from-the-LBS B66 to the '51 Sports.










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I had a few minutes to work up the next installment.

50 Shades of Ralgrey continued....

Chapter 3: Into the Light


It was too dark and dank on that pre-winter day to ascertain pedigree and providence inside the shed. The best the pastor could do was determine an approximate number to be four or five two wheeled vehicles. An initial assessment that there was at least one child sized and three or four youth and adult sized models. Brand, condition, and value was impossible in the dim interior, so one by one they were wheeled into the light.

Through the door and down the step and onto the packed granite gravel they bumped one by one. A child’s Huffy. An electro-forged Schwinn heavy weight. A crusty and overly abused low-end Peugeot. A silver-grey Raleigh Sports. An entry level Univega. Nothing made the pastor’s heart rate tic-up one additional beat. No bits and pieces worth stripping for the parts bins (this was long before www.freewheelspa.com emerged from the pastor’s creative itch). No wheels or tires worth salvaging. One by one they were bumped back into the darkness of The Shed. The door was closed, the hasp secured, and the pastor’s vintage Schwinn retrieved from The Shed’s weather-beaten side.

As the pastor pushed through the cold wind blowing in from frigid Quebec, his mind kept returning to that orphaned Raleigh. From Schwinn Forums and Bike Forums – Classic & Vintage he kept thinking about his South Florida friend, cudak888. Kurt harbored affections for Raleighs. He’d know more about the abandoned Sports. The pastor wondered if he’d like to see a few pictures?

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...A silver-grey Raleigh Sports. An entry level Univega. Nothing made the pastor’s heart rate tic-up one additional beat.
Kids, this is what happens when you hang Nuovo Record off Schwinn Continentals.



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Some more sidetracking as I wait for parts to arrive: Checked with Mike Terraferma, and he advised that brazing the washer would more likely burn the paint off the crown - even with wet rags - and that the steerer is ridiculously thick and should be fine if drilled conservatively.

Also mounted the NOS-from-the-LBS B66 to the '51 Sports
The older B66 went to the ladies' 1951 Raleigh


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That is a great find (and at an incredible price). The B66 on my '50 is original, with no deep cracks but well broken in after 70 years. After some proofhide treatments it is supple again and is very comfortable. However the springs squeak with every leg stroke. How to remedy that? I took a two hour ride the other day, and inspected the saddle after to look for stress seams but all was well. The B66 is CAD$200 new here. I think I would go with a second hand one from ebay if the original had a failure, or seek out rhm. I like the black rails of the original.
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