ThermionicScott 

I didn't, and then I did, and now it's iffy again. Google is surely to blame. So I'll try snarfing it and attaching it directly:

( @noglider, if you'd rather I didn't, I can take this down.)

RiddleOfSteel

I'm a big fan of seeing other people's 650B-converted Treks as well. There's just something so right about it. @inkandsilver and I have the same year, color, and size of 710 frame. Mine is still original minus its wheels (now with Gipiemme hubs laced to Mavic Module E rims) with its 600 arabesque, but if I was to go full conversion, a triple would be going on it, as well as a Nitto Noodle bar. The Campagnolo drivetrain is also a consideration, but I'd like to think I'd run my Simplex Retrofrictions over a 9 or 10-speed cassette, just for the fun of it.

noglider 

This is driving me crazy. How about now?

ThermionicScott 

Works for me, @noglider! (In two ways.)

noglider 

The tires are Pari Moto 38mm. The wheels are cheap hubs with Sta-Tru rims. It has a 7-speed freewheel which is odd because I have 10-speed shifters. I plan to renovate the drivetrain eventually, but it works OK so far. I might not keep 650b wheels on this bike but put them on a different bike.

thook

@noglider....

fantastic creation! i really like how it all looks together. what length of stem did you use? maybe 7cm?

noglider 

Thanks! It's a tallish stem, and the extension is only around 6cm. The reach still feels long. I notice I keep my hands on the drops and never on the hoods. Maybe a different shape handlebar will change things? I never know with this stuff.

thook

in my experience, the veloce levers seem to me to have a longer reach when resting on the hoods. i mean, the lever body is pretty long. in which case, to me, they seem to work better with a compact bar around 80mm reach when trying to optimize fit/reach. just a consideration

noglider 

Good point. I'll see if I have bars like that. I have a huge collection. I used to do conversions for neighbors of drops to uprights. Thanks.

Jmclay

In process: https://www.flickr.com/photos/216244...57711839216552

This will fit 650b x 48 (that's 48, not 42) Switchback Hill tires and RAID brakes.

Recent vintage Columbus SL main triangle so conventional diameter and 858 walls. The rest is either Columbus or True Temper.

Rinko and head/tail light configured.

73 HT, 73 ST, 565mm TT, 570 ST (C/C), 825mm Stand-over, 450mm Chainstays, 75mm BB Drop, 67mm Fork Rake, 33mm Trail, 126mm Rear Space (or 130).

jackbombay

Can somebody give me the width and height measurement of a Pari-Moto on a Pacenti rim?

I've got a conversion in mind, but it will be tight with a Pair-Moto.

rhm

Pari-moto's come in at least three sizes!

But hold on, I'll get you some numbers.

Edit:
Pacienti Rim,
"38" tire is 38.5 mm wide, 334 mm radius
"42" tire is 41.5 mm wide, 337 mm radius

Uncertain WTB disc rim
"48" tire is 47.3 mm wide, 340 mm radius

I used a pretty cheap wooden ruler, so caveat emptor.

jackbombay

Excellent!

Thank you very much!

bikemig 

Cool bike. What are the brakes? I have a Mercier 300 I need to build up and I'm tempted to go 650b. I have rims and hubs (maillard 700) but I'll need to track down brakes.

CV-6 

Mafac Raid. Maillard 700...nice hubs.

bikemig 

those are cool brakes but they don’t show up often even in the big auction house.

natterberry 

Forgot to post my Trek 614 last year! A few changes made since this photo, few more coming!

bikemig 

that is a heck of a nice bike. It did a great job on the Coppi Ride!

jlaw

One of the coolest bikes I've seen on BF - (admittedly I'm a vintage Trek fan) - love the triple wheel RD cage and the completely trick rando set-up!

bulgie 

I agree those 3-pulley mechs are cool, but how about this (below) with a wider gear range, and a vintage Campy short-cage 2-pulley:

650b conversion of a late-'50s Follis road racer. Zero original parts -- mostly '60s and '70s gear with some modern stuff, like rims tires and spokes.

Derailleurs are Campy Record (the one before "Nuovo", circa '65), which I hope will be forgiven on this French bike because it came with Campy dropouts. Rear mech is a hybrid "frankenderailer", with a "Sport" top knuckle riveted to the Record parallelogram, to give it a sprung upper pivot (like a Simplex). That lets it shift a much wider range. That's a 14-30 in back, 26-36-46 triple. Stock Record only reached to about 26t, and with a much smaller range in front.

The head lugs have bands around the front with cut-out letters that say "Follis" (top lug) and "Lyon" (down lug).
Sorry, I didn't take a picture of that.

The lugs have brass fillets added around the outsides, filed and smoothed to make the transition radius larger and more swoopy. A time-consuming step only done on a "special" frame. I have seen lots of Follises, never seen another one this deluxe. The Nervex Pro crown also has some brass built up and filed down in a couple places to make the shape more aesthetically pleasing. The fork blades are rapid-taper, and "pencil-thin" (what the Brits called it), small diameter through the curve. I think Reynolds called them the "Super Resilient" model. These blades are fully 2 mm smaller diameter than Kaisei "Toei" blades, the smallest diameter you can get today. Internal rear brake cable in the toptube, with nice braze-ons at the entry points. Curved bridges. Campy dropouts with nicely shaped stay ends.

My plans may change, but so far I'm thinking I'll add braze-ons for the Raid centerpulls & a few other BOs, add rake to the fork, and build a custom front rack.

I like what's left of the paintjob, but a previous owner started sanding it down, to hand-paint it himself, until he realized what a big job that was, so he stopped where you see it now. Decals are almost 100% gone. So I'm thinking braze-ons and repaint.

Oh yeah it came to me with the derailleur hanger sawed off! Gugie called it "castrating" the dropout, maybe putting it a bit strong, but definitely vivid! I brazed on a replacement hanger (Campy part # 80/1), but of course that means the chrome is wrecked on the right rear DO, another reason for a repaint.

More pix here. Album about the hybrid rear derailleur here. Here's the album about the decaleur I made to hold the top of the handlebar bag.

Mark B in Seattle

bulgie 

Try ebay.fr -- I count 3 and a half pairs of RAIDs on offer at the mo.
I didn't check to see if all those sellers are willing to ship to USA, but I have bought lots of stuff from ebay France, sellers always were willing. Or if there were exceptions, I have forgotten. Brakes are usually not too expensive to ship, but ask for a shipping quote before you commit to buy..

bikemig 

[QUOTE=bulgie;21307020]I agree those 3-pulley mechs are cool, but how about this (below) with a wider gear range, and a vintage Campy short-cage 2-pulley:

Cool bike and neat running gear. I wouldn't mind finding a Follis either! [QUOTE]

TenGrainBread 

Very cool bike, bulgie . I agree, does deserve some braze-ons for rack and brakes, and the paint flaws are a perfect excuse. Would you go back to that metallic blue?

bulgie 

Yeah, I guess so, that's how I think of that bike now. If I go whole-hog with wet paint and masking the chrome, I'll probably get the same white headtube and ST band too. Considering having repro decals made, if someone like Gus Salmon can recreate them from what little remains of the originals. Haven't looked into that yet.

I'm pretty boring when it comes to paint. For my first three frames I ever made, I told the painter "blue", "yellow", "red". He of course asked "which blue" and I just told him to use whatever he liked and had in stock; same with the yellow bike and the red one. As long as it slows down the rust and doesn't hide the frame workmanship too much, that's good enough for me. But this Follis probably deserves to be brought back close to its original glory. I'm not going to rechrome it though, that's a bridge too far.

It's not a show bike or an investment, it's a rider, so I may just throw a one-color powdercoat on it. My wallet is not so fat that I can throw money around painlessly. At least PC will protect it for now, and I or someone else can still restore it all the way later.

Mark B

TenGrainBread 

I'd do the same in your place.