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Hello!
Newbie just found this thread. Glorious! Not sure about the glory of the mustache, but never mind.
I have some posts up about Sturmey 3-speed hubs. I hope to become an expert by the time I've stripped and cleaned and inspected eight or nine of them.
When I was a kid, I hated bikes with Sturmey Archer gearing. The big boys in my area had bikes with Campagnolo deerayllieuers and levers, and I was corrupted. Now, I know better. I can hold Sturmey steel in my hand, and feel it's value.
Merry Christmas!
Newbie just found this thread. Glorious! Not sure about the glory of the mustache, but never mind.
I have some posts up about Sturmey 3-speed hubs. I hope to become an expert by the time I've stripped and cleaned and inspected eight or nine of them.
When I was a kid, I hated bikes with Sturmey Archer gearing. The big boys in my area had bikes with Campagnolo deerayllieuers and levers, and I was corrupted. Now, I know better. I can hold Sturmey steel in my hand, and feel it's value.
Merry Christmas!
They were noisey, finicky, and generally filthy.
I made the move back to 3 speeds about 10 years ago and they suit my needs.
Many of us swap out the rear cog (18T standard) for something a bit bigger.
21T and 22T seem to suit me and make 3rd gear much more useable.
The internals can be a bit intimidating at first, but once you've got the hang
of it, quite straight forward.
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That part reminded me of this:
Interviewer to Keith Richards: "Great that you're here today!"
Keith: "At my age, it's great to be anywhere."
You: "Many of us swap out the rear cog (18T standard) for something a bit bigger.
21T and 22T seem to suit me and make 3rd gear much more useable."
Me, responding: "At my age, I'm just happy to be pedalling!"
I'll be checking out the T-number options as I proceed. Never thought about it before, so thanks for that.
Merry Christmas!
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The other tweaks that improve braking performance are to adjust the distance between the ends of the handlebar levers and the grips to 5", then you'll have more lever travel to apply more force to the brakes once the shoes engage. When adjusting the rod pull have the shoes as close as possible to touching the drum walls. There's a fair amount of slop and flex in the rod pull system so it will never be as good as cable operated drum brakes. If someone knows of any other tips please let us know, I've had a couple of hairy descents on the DL-1 where I've been close to taking up religion.
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MOST YES! That's a beautiful build.Very much what I'm aiming for with my International.
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Thanks for the great input. I have cleaned the brakes when I had the hub apart. Fortunately the front brake is a roller lever rim brake. I’ll let you know where I end up when I get the whole bike back together.
rear cogs for old pappys? 22 teeth and one section of chain puts the wheel in about the right place.
Thanks for the great input. I have cleaned the brakes when I had the hub apart. Fortunately the front brake is a roller lever rim brake. I’ll let you know where I end up when I get the whole bike back together.
rear cogs for old pappys? 22 teeth and one section of chain puts the wheel in about the right place.
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I bid and won an eBay listing for a Sturmey light set off of a seller-claimed '47 Raleigh Lenton. These are hard to find and I didn't expect to win. I thought I had bid on the lamps alone - not including the dynohub. Yet when I opened the box, it was included (June 1946 date stamp).
Very pleased to have found a SA light set that is mostly correct for the step-through 1956 Sports in green that I am servicing and polishing as a gift for Christmas to my girl (posted here a few weeks ago). I will be putting together an LED upgrade like the one here Classic Three Speeds: LED Lighting: Circuit Board and LED's to make her more visible in her daily riding based on lessons I am learning with my Superbe's Dynoluxe lamp system. Now, I have two dynohubs (this '46 and a '47 in slightly nicer condition that I found here in Ottawa that I will be building into a CR18 for this bike if I am able). I'm not sure what to do with this one - I was thinking a 700c wheel for my Voyageur tourer, but I don't think a daytime touring bike needs a dynamo system. I may just keep it as spare parts for the hubs in service, including the '50 AG on my Superbe. I have a later model '62 dynohub that is going in a Velocity wheel for my all-rounder Peugeot and will power a set of B&M lights. I think I have become obsessed with dynamo lighting.
56 with SW hub that will get a dynohub CR18 and late '40s SA set of lamps.
Very pleased to have found a SA light set that is mostly correct for the step-through 1956 Sports in green that I am servicing and polishing as a gift for Christmas to my girl (posted here a few weeks ago). I will be putting together an LED upgrade like the one here Classic Three Speeds: LED Lighting: Circuit Board and LED's to make her more visible in her daily riding based on lessons I am learning with my Superbe's Dynoluxe lamp system. Now, I have two dynohubs (this '46 and a '47 in slightly nicer condition that I found here in Ottawa that I will be building into a CR18 for this bike if I am able). I'm not sure what to do with this one - I was thinking a 700c wheel for my Voyageur tourer, but I don't think a daytime touring bike needs a dynamo system. I may just keep it as spare parts for the hubs in service, including the '50 AG on my Superbe. I have a later model '62 dynohub that is going in a Velocity wheel for my all-rounder Peugeot and will power a set of B&M lights. I think I have become obsessed with dynamo lighting.
56 with SW hub that will get a dynohub CR18 and late '40s SA set of lamps.
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I got a pretty good deal on my FW alloy four-speed hub with a '53 date code and shifter. I paid a little more for a '56 AW because I wanted that year as a match for the '56 Sports I am working on (it has an SW hub, and I"m not sure it that is going to work out reliably for a nice day commuter / rider).
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So what shifters are in demand. I assume the ones with windows, 4 speeds, inverted lettering. What about prewar frame mounted shifters, like I have on the 39?
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One strange thing, There are repro quadrant shifters out there. I'm sure of this because I've seen a lot of a dozen for sale on ebay from China. I've never seen one in person and I can't be certain, but I doubt they would have embossed face plates like the originals. Today, things like this are commonly cast. The asking prices of early shifters are through the roof. I don't know if they are actually getting those prices though. $80? Good 3 or 4 but not even in good condition. edit: I have also seen on a different thread here an excellent copy of a headbadge made by 3D printing. I think that would be the most practical method for low volume. I don't think anybody would emboss brass plates like the originals. Also, look for the small circle with SA stamp. Not always there, but reassuring when it is.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Sturmey-Arc...wAAOSwZb9d1c53
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Sturmey-Arc...wAAOSwZb9d1c53
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The 50s windows are my favorites. Mostly because I like the longer lever, but I think the trigger shifter reached perfection was the pre window 3 or 4 speed with the whole plate embossed in relief. That's when they got the internal leaf spring, threaded ferrule port and the case hardened ratchet plate was slotted for the sausage style cable end. Like this one
the next style was more modern with less in relief embossing but still beautiful
the next style was more modern with less in relief embossing but still beautiful
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The 50s windows are my favorites. Mostly because I like the longer lever, but I think the trigger shifter reached perfection was the pre window 3 or 4 speed with the whole plate embossed in relief. That's when they got the internal leaf spring, threaded ferrule port and the case hardened ratchet plate was slotted for the sausage style cable end. Like this one
the next style was more modern with less in relief embossing but still beautiful
the next style was more modern with less in relief embossing but still beautiful
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SA continued to make the window style 4 speed shifters (without window) well into the 70s. They have the same case, internal leaf spring, longer lever and bolt on the strap instead of the through body that started for 3 speeds in the mid 50s. I see them occasionally on eBay. One of those or the earlier 3 or 4 speed are what you would need.
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SA continued to make the window style 4 speed shifters (without window) well into the 70s. They have the same case, internal leaf spring, longer lever and bolt on the strap instead of the through body that started for 3 speeds in the mid 50s. I see them occasionally on eBay. One of those or the earlier 3 or 4 speed are what you would need.
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I don't know about that, but the indexing on SA hubs isn't even. I guess one would have to give it a try before knowing how it would work out. I'd be interested in hearing about it if you experiment.
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S-A makes a 3-speed and a 5-speed bar-end shifter (both of which can be used on downtube mounts) but not a 4-speed that I’m aware of. Maybe the clicks are properly spaced on the 5-speed unit? Somehow I doubt it
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Old Faithful helps me again
Wheeled it home from the tree lot up the street.
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Old Faithful helps me again
Wheeled it home from the tree lot up the street.
Happy Holidays to all!
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Why the Index?
SA gears are pretty well spaced,, so on a non- indexed shifter, you can easily feel for the shifter travel to select gears. The clutch spring on the average SA hub is quite strong , so not every slide shifter can cope but there are plenty that can deal with the pull, so you don't ghost shift.