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cleaned this up a second time. No race baiting
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Of course, it ultimately will be the prosecutors that decide what exact charges if any to formerly file and prosecute Lopez on. Plus in most states, if they decide to prosecute for a felony they will have to convince a judge at a preliminary hearing that they have enough to do that.
If I were to bet I would feel comfortable betting that in the end, the cyclist will not end up with a felony conviction. IMO the worst-case scenario in the end legal wise will be he ends up with a misdemeanor or traffic violation. It is even possible, though perhaps not probable, that all charges will be dropped.
If I were to bet I would feel comfortable betting that in the end, the cyclist will not end up with a felony conviction. IMO the worst-case scenario in the end legal wise will be he ends up with a misdemeanor or traffic violation. It is even possible, though perhaps not probable, that all charges will be dropped.
He was only released after posting bail for a misdemeanor AND a felony.
He was NOT ticketed for a traffic violation.
Can you do even a little research, for the fourth time, before you share your not so informed opinion again?
-mr. bill
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In the OP linked article it stated:
Of course, it ultimately will be the prosecutors that decide what exact charges if any to formerly file and prosecute Lopez on. Plus in most states, if they decide to prosecute for a felony they will have to convince a judge at a preliminary hearing that they have enough to do that.
If I were to bet I would feel comfortable betting that in the end, the cyclist will not end up with a felony conviction. IMO the worst-case scenario in the end legal wise will be he ends up with a misdemeanor or traffic violation. It is even possible, though perhaps not probable, that all charges will be dropped.
So we have multiple issues here. The cycling protocol, stop signs, (I only stop if there is a danger of side traffic or someone is getting to the intersection in their car as I arrive too), the behavior of cyclists, the behavior of the cop, and what will be the legal outcome.
Of course, it ultimately will be the prosecutors that decide what exact charges if any to formerly file and prosecute Lopez on. Plus in most states, if they decide to prosecute for a felony they will have to convince a judge at a preliminary hearing that they have enough to do that.
If I were to bet I would feel comfortable betting that in the end, the cyclist will not end up with a felony conviction. IMO the worst-case scenario in the end legal wise will be he ends up with a misdemeanor or traffic violation. It is even possible, though perhaps not probable, that all charges will be dropped.
So we have multiple issues here. The cycling protocol, stop signs, (I only stop if there is a danger of side traffic or someone is getting to the intersection in their car as I arrive too), the behavior of cyclists, the behavior of the cop, and what will be the legal outcome.
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For what it's worth, I think this should be in P&R. The discretion/selective prosecution issue with the two cyclists being treated so differently is just too wrapped up in the politics of race for this conversation to make much sense without it..
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1. He was charged with a misdemeanor AND a felony. A prosecutor already argued that he be held for bail for a misdemeanor AND a felony, and a judge agreed.
2. He was only released after posting bail for a misdemeanor AND a felony.
3. He was NOT ticketed for a traffic violation.
Can you do even a little research, for the fourth time, before you share your not so informed opinion again?
-mr. bill
2. The hearing I was referring to is if you are prosecuted for a felony, (which he hasn't been so far), normally you have a preliminary hearing on the merits to determine if there is enough evidence to go forward with a prosecution/trial. It is called a preliminary hearing. It is separate and has nothing to do with the bail hearing that you are referencing.
3. I never said he was ticketed for a traffic violation. It is however still theoretically and legally possible that he might be given the police officer eyewitness, plus the video evidence. If it were to happen it would most likely be part of deal or arrangement worked out between Lopez and or his attorney in exchange for dropping or reducing all other charges or potential criminal consequences.
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I used to say the same thing long ago...while driving in the Sierras to Reno from San Jose with my wife and 2 year old girl at about midnight a very impatient driver was tailgating with flashing high beams because my poor crv was unable to pass the other guy quite fast enough. We finally got past and merged over (which felt like forever, this guy was frighteningly close driving 70+ behind us) and he honked in a cursingly way as he blew past is. Less than 5 seconds later we were greeted with the sound of a siren and the flashing of lights as a cop that witnesses some part of it nabbed that jerk. That incident was pretty scary but from that time till now I am always so happy to see cops. I no longer say “there is never a cop when you need one” they have a hard job and simply can’t be everywhere.
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It does seem silly assuming they were there for that purpose. For all I know they could have been there killing time having lunch.
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I used to say the same thing long ago...while driving in the Sierras to Reno from San Jose with my wife and 2 year old girl at about midnight a very impatient driver was tailgating with flashing high beams because my poor crv was unable to pass the other guy quite fast enough. We finally got past and merged over (which felt like forever, this guy was frighteningly close driving 70+ behind us) and he honked in a cursingly way as he blew past is. Less than 5 seconds later we were greeted with the sound of a siren and the flashing of lights as a cop that witnesses some part of it nabbed that jerk. That incident was pretty scary but from that time till now I am always so happy to see cops. I no longer say “there is never a cop when you need one” they have a hard job and simply can’t be everywhere.
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Molyneaux said he believes that neighborhood complaints about the large groups of riders have led to tensions between the cycling community and law enforcement.
It's pretty common, unfortunately, in retirement areas. I don't know why, but AZ, which is also a great place for biking in just about every other way, has communities of old, mostly white retired people who are absolutely hostile even to individual riders going through 'their streets'.
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From the article:
"Molyneaux said he believes that neighborhood complaints about the large groups of riders have led to tensions between the cycling community and law enforcement."
If you look at the area on google maps, it's a fairly remote in terms of traffic speed or congestion, so the only reason the people would be complaining is probably because 1) they don't like cyclists, and 2) they're jerks.
It's pretty common, unfortunately, in retirement areas. I don't know why, but AZ, which is also a great place for biking in just about every other way, has communities of old, mostly white retired people who are absolutely hostile even to individual riders going through 'their streets'.
"Molyneaux said he believes that neighborhood complaints about the large groups of riders have led to tensions between the cycling community and law enforcement."
If you look at the area on google maps, it's a fairly remote in terms of traffic speed or congestion, so the only reason the people would be complaining is probably because 1) they don't like cyclists, and 2) they're jerks.
It's pretty common, unfortunately, in retirement areas. I don't know why, but AZ, which is also a great place for biking in just about every other way, has communities of old, mostly white retired people who are absolutely hostile even to individual riders going through 'their streets'.
Sometimes complaints are justified. If the neighbors were complaining about riders ignoring traffic control signs and devices, then this video would tend to support that claim. If complaints were about cyclists not paying attention to the whole of the traffic picture in some way, this video would tend to support that. When you don't acknowledge the presence of enforcement using lights and sirens until they are on your wheel, it is unlikely that you are aware of the traffic around you and are working cooperatively with the other roadway users.
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You never know quite how to take complaints. Some people trip offline at the mere sight of "Spandex." Some people believe cyclists should stay off of the road. Some believe that cyclists should immediately remove themselves from the roadway when they approach in their car.
Sometimes complaints are justified. If the neighbors were complaining about riders ignoring traffic control signs and devices, then this video would tend to support that claim. If complaints were about cyclists not paying attention to the whole of the traffic picture in some way, this video would tend to support that. When you don't acknowledge the presence of enforcement using lights and sirens until they are on your wheel, it is unlikely that you are aware of the traffic around you and are working cooperatively with the other roadway users.
Sometimes complaints are justified. If the neighbors were complaining about riders ignoring traffic control signs and devices, then this video would tend to support that claim. If complaints were about cyclists not paying attention to the whole of the traffic picture in some way, this video would tend to support that. When you don't acknowledge the presence of enforcement using lights and sirens until they are on your wheel, it is unlikely that you are aware of the traffic around you and are working cooperatively with the other roadway users.
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Va....1675542?hl=en
Old white people in retirement communities. It's bloody FL fer****sake. There's no reason for it. The fact that 2 cops had time to sit at a stop sign in a bloody driveway sorta tells you how boring/slow that it is in that area, yet they felt the need to not just ticket, but arrest and charge with a bloody felony?
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If the neighbors were complaining about riders ignoring traffic control signs and devices, then this video would tend to support that claim. If complaints were about cyclists not paying attention to the whole of the traffic picture in some way, this video would tend to support that. When you don't acknowledge the presence of enforcement using lights and sirens until they are on your wheel, it is unlikely that you are aware of the traffic around you and are working cooperatively with the other roadway users.
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https://www.bicycling.com/news/a3091...cling-florida/
If there were no witnesses this kid would have been .......
If there were no witnesses this kid would have been .......
This **** doesn't happen this way in Europe, or the UK. The UK being the best example since they've got their fair shake of law breakers and violent criminals also.
He's on a bike, and he's got a car. Where the heck is he going to go? 90 seconds, that's barely enough time to even have any kind of "chase".
To me, bubbah is getting all control freaky. Cuss the kid out, expensive ticket, but c'mon............he going to chase down and arrest all his cop buddies that roll stop signs in their patrol cars and treat them the same way? Right............he wouldn't.
More and more I feel I need to go on Amazon and get a front/rear camera system for both my car and bike. Even if in the wrong, at least the video would show if something goes stupid.
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Shot. Not a doubt in my mind.
This **** doesn't happen this way in Europe, or the UK. The UK being the best example since they've got their fair shake of law breakers and violent criminals also.
He's on a bike, and he's got a car. Where the heck is he going to go? 90 seconds, that's barely enough time to even have any kind of "chase".
To me, bubbah is getting all control freaky. Cuss the kid out, expensive ticket, but c'mon............he going to chase down and arrest all his cop buddies that roll stop signs in their patrol cars and treat them the same way? Right............he wouldn't.
More and more I feel I need to go on Amazon and get a front/rear camera system for both my car and bike. Even if in the wrong, at least the video would show if something goes stupid.
This **** doesn't happen this way in Europe, or the UK. The UK being the best example since they've got their fair shake of law breakers and violent criminals also.
He's on a bike, and he's got a car. Where the heck is he going to go? 90 seconds, that's barely enough time to even have any kind of "chase".
To me, bubbah is getting all control freaky. Cuss the kid out, expensive ticket, but c'mon............he going to chase down and arrest all his cop buddies that roll stop signs in their patrol cars and treat them the same way? Right............he wouldn't.
More and more I feel I need to go on Amazon and get a front/rear camera system for both my car and bike. Even if in the wrong, at least the video would show if something goes stupid.
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What a d*ck cop with a massive ego issue! That guy must have been very sad growing up.
Real crime fighter here! A true american hero
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Something very similar to what happened to this cyclist happened to me once. At 6:57pm one Saturday in a small town on the Connecticut coast, I parked my car on a nearly empty street near a sign that said “no parking 9:00am to 7:00pm” and went in to the nearby art-house movie theatre to catch a 7:00pm showing of a dismal foreign movie. After the crappy movie, I returned to find a parking ticket written at 6:58pm. What I did not know at the time was that that Saturday was a declared Chicken**** Day in Connecticut, just as this cyclist didn’t now that it was Chicken**** Day in Florida.
I never stop at a Stop sign when riding my bike if I have clear lines of sight showing that it is safe to blow past the sign. I have run Stop signs in such situations in view of The Police with impunity. But I would never do this on Chicken**** Day.
I never stop at a Stop sign when riding my bike if I have clear lines of sight showing that it is safe to blow past the sign. I have run Stop signs in such situations in view of The Police with impunity. But I would never do this on Chicken**** Day.
I had attained a pretty decent speed on my lemon yellow Schwinn Varsity. I approached a stop sign, saw no one, which was unsurprising as there was essentially no traffic. I looked both ways and proceeded through the stop sign. Unbeknownst to me, one of Lincoln's finest was hiding behind a large sign. He pulled out and followed me with his lights and siren going. He pulled me over, listened to my explanation, agreed there was no traffic, and gave me a verbal warning, sending me on my way.
Had either or both of us copped, an attitude, the situation probably would have escalated. Fortunately, he was cool and so was I. No small feat as university students and police weren't necessarily the best of friends back then.
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If the neighbors were complaining about riders ignoring traffic control signs and devices, then this video would tend to support that claim. If complaints were about cyclists not paying attention to the whole of the traffic picture in some way, this video would tend to support that.
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You see, my post was about riders adhering to the law and being tuned into their surroundings. Your disagreement was about safety and respect. Typically when people say they disagree and attempt to qualify that disagreement with unrelated content, that is likely to cause some confusion. Just a friendly FYI.
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Now with that useless exchange out of the way, I'll disagree with part of the disconnected content in your disagreement.
I will say that the video does show a lack of respect for others. I will qualify that by speaking directly to it, not via a tangent. A rider who respected laws and law enforcement would approximate a stop before rolling through a stop sign right in front of an LEO. A respectful rider will be tuned in enough to his surroundings to see an officer signalling to him and respond appropriately. A respectful rider will be tuned in enough to his surroundings to be able to hear and appropriately respond to sirens before the officer is on his wheel.
People who respect the laws, law enforcement and other road users don't bury their heads and plow forth oblivious to their surroundings.
Would you like to disagree with that with a comment about chocolate milkshakes?
I will say that the video does show a lack of respect for others. I will qualify that by speaking directly to it, not via a tangent. A rider who respected laws and law enforcement would approximate a stop before rolling through a stop sign right in front of an LEO. A respectful rider will be tuned in enough to his surroundings to see an officer signalling to him and respond appropriately. A respectful rider will be tuned in enough to his surroundings to be able to hear and appropriately respond to sirens before the officer is on his wheel.
People who respect the laws, law enforcement and other road users don't bury their heads and plow forth oblivious to their surroundings.
Would you like to disagree with that with a comment about chocolate milkshakes?
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