Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > General Cycling Discussion
Reload this Page >

Listening to Music via Headphones?

Notices
General Cycling Discussion Have a cycling related question or comment that doesn't fit in one of the other specialty forums? Drop on in and post in here! When possible, please select the forum above that most fits your post!

Listening to Music via Headphones?

Old 05-09-20, 05:41 PM
  #151  
Bigbus
Senior Member
 
Bigbus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Central West Coast
Posts: 594

Bikes: In Flux

Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 179 Post(s)
Liked 92 Times in 72 Posts
Originally Posted by phughes View Post
Don't do it. Your cantilever brakes will go out of adjustment, your helmet will disappear, and your carbon fiber bike will burst into flames.
Learn something new everyday... My take-away from that is don't use cantilever brakes and steer clear of carbon fiber bikes unless you want to get burned.
Bigbus is offline  
Likes For Bigbus:
Old 05-09-20, 06:09 PM
  #152  
indyfabz
Senior Member
 
indyfabz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 26,911
Mentioned: 192 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 11365 Post(s)
Liked 2,990 Times in 1,667 Posts
I have a cat, but I like dogs. Never ridden a crabon fibre bike. Tour with cantilever brakes. Like listening to bird songs and insects when I ride.

Last edited by indyfabz; 05-09-20 at 06:13 PM.
indyfabz is offline  
Likes For indyfabz:
Old 05-09-20, 06:37 PM
  #153  
Oneder
Banned.
 
Join Date: Apr 2018
Posts: 822

Bikes: Wahoo of Theseus, others

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 428 Post(s)
Liked 64 Times in 45 Posts
Originally Posted by Camilo View Post
safe volume
Unfortunately many people can't seem to manage this.
Oneder is offline  
Old 05-09-20, 08:20 PM
  #154  
phughes
Senior Member
 
phughes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 1,605
Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 407 Post(s)
Liked 194 Times in 121 Posts
Originally Posted by Bigbus View Post
Learn something new everyday... My take-away from that is don't use cantilever brakes and steer clear of carbon fiber bikes unless you want to get burned.
It's only an issue if you listen to music via headphones. If you don't do that, the cantilevers will be fine, and the carbon fiber won't burst into flames.
phughes is offline  
Likes For phughes:
Old 05-09-20, 09:15 PM
  #155  
Bigbus
Senior Member
 
Bigbus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Central West Coast
Posts: 594

Bikes: In Flux

Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 179 Post(s)
Liked 92 Times in 72 Posts
Originally Posted by indyfabz View Post
I like listening to bird songs and insects when I ride.
I prefer country, but sometimes classic rock. I'll have to download some bird and insects and try that....
Bigbus is offline  
Old 05-09-20, 09:16 PM
  #156  
Bigbus
Senior Member
 
Bigbus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Central West Coast
Posts: 594

Bikes: In Flux

Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 179 Post(s)
Liked 92 Times in 72 Posts
Originally Posted by phughes View Post
It's only an issue if you listen to music via headphones.
Shucks, you had me worried there. Good thing I only use ear buds...
Bigbus is offline  
Likes For Bigbus:
Old 05-10-20, 07:27 AM
  #157  
adlai
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 585
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 95 Post(s)
Liked 13 Times in 10 Posts
Originally Posted by Tophy_Dee View Post
Safe or unsafe? Iíve seen some other cyclists with air pods and other headphones on and though what a great idea to listen to some tunes while riding. But then I realized maybe itís not such a good idea? Canít hear if cyclists are coming up behind or if thereís cars or sirens. Basically canít hear anything at all!

What are your thoughts on this and if you do listen to music, any tips to be able listen and keep safe at the same time?
I do it all the time. Often that is really helpful for getting through a miserable ride.

Fact is that if a car is coming up behind you unsafely, there is nothing you can do. With headphones you still can see what is in front of you and that is safe enough.
adlai is offline  
Old 05-10-20, 09:02 AM
  #158  
Jim from Boston
Senior Member
 
Jim from Boston's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 7,376
Mentioned: 47 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 799 Post(s)
Liked 203 Times in 159 Posts
Originally Posted by adlai View Post
I do it all the time. Often that is really helpful for getting through a miserable ride.

Fact is that if a car is coming up behind you unsafely, there is nothing you can do. With headphones you still can see what is in front of you and that is safe enough.
FWIW, see my preceding post (link) on this thread in reply to this question:
Originally Posted by MattTheHat View Post
Can someone...anyone...explain how knowing a car is behind you makes any difference whatsoever? Please?

I've asked this in other threads and never gotten a response. In other words, what do you do with the information? What do you do differently?

Are you pulling off the road or something? It seems to me that if you do anything differently based on whether or not a car is behind you is just a recipe for disaster, because you're going to eventually get it wrong,,.
Jim from Boston is offline  
Old 05-10-20, 09:13 AM
  #159  
indyfabz
Senior Member
 
indyfabz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 26,911
Mentioned: 192 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 11365 Post(s)
Liked 2,990 Times in 1,667 Posts
Originally Posted by Bigbus View Post
I prefer country, but sometimes classic rock. I'll have to download some bird and insects and try that....
During a 2016 tour in MT I hung out here for about 20 min. soaking it all in. During that time I did not hear one manmade sound. Not even an airplane. Just the sounds created by the wind and those created by birds and insects. I didn't want to leave.
indyfabz is offline  
Likes For indyfabz:
Old 05-10-20, 10:11 AM
  #160  
GlennR
Passing on your left
 
GlennR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Long Island, New York, USA
Posts: 6,341

Bikes: Trek Emonda SLR, Sram eTap, Zipp 303

Mentioned: 28 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1637 Post(s)
Liked 637 Times in 333 Posts
Originally Posted by indyfabz View Post
Nirvana
GlennR is offline  
Old 05-10-20, 10:17 AM
  #161  
phughes
Senior Member
 
phughes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 1,605
Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 407 Post(s)
Liked 194 Times in 121 Posts
Okay, I will give a serious response to this. We are not dogs, our sense of hearing is not the same, we cannot discern location well from sound, as dogs, and most animals can. While I believe you should be able to hear sounds around you, such as horns and emergency vehicles, I also do not believe you can use sound to pinpoint a car coming up behind you too close to the edge of the road to be safe. Sure, you may hear a car coming up behind you, but so what? where I ride, that occurs almost every second, so what do you do, pull over and stop? The entire argument is ridiculous.

I also do not believe one should blast music loudly in earphones, for many reasons, one of which is to not shot yourself off from noises you do need to hear, like the above mentioned emergency vehicles, sirens, and horns. I have used earphones to listen to audiobooks on tour, but I could hear other noises easily.

If you want to know what is behind you, and whether or not it is a danger, use a mirror. Until you learn echo-location, or develop a dog's sense of hearing, relying on your ears is not an option.

To believe you can know a car is coming up too closely based on hearing is ridiculous. Ride in a town with heavy traffic, all you have a cars, and you will hear all of them. Which one is a danger? Based on hearing, you will not be able to know. You need to see. The only real issue is that many who wear earphones, are simply inattentive to the world around them, that is another issue entirely.
phughes is offline  
Likes For phughes:
Old 05-10-20, 10:27 AM
  #162  
indyfabz
Senior Member
 
indyfabz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 26,911
Mentioned: 192 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 11365 Post(s)
Liked 2,990 Times in 1,667 Posts
Originally Posted by GlennR View Post
Nirvana
Yeah. Iíve ridden that 23 mile stretch 3 times. Maybe a total of 8 cars. Far more free range cattle. One year I got dogged by what I later discovered was a common snipe.
indyfabz is offline  
Old 05-10-20, 10:30 AM
  #163  
GlennR
Passing on your left
 
GlennR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Long Island, New York, USA
Posts: 6,341

Bikes: Trek Emonda SLR, Sram eTap, Zipp 303

Mentioned: 28 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1637 Post(s)
Liked 637 Times in 333 Posts
Originally Posted by indyfabz View Post
Yeah. I’ve ridden that 23 mile stretch 3 times. Maybe a total of 8 cars. Far more free range cattle. One year I got dogged by what I later discovered was a common snipe.
This is my spot. not as secluded but it's a peaceful spot in the middle of the suburbs.




That is until someone passes with a radio playing.

Last edited by GlennR; 05-10-20 at 10:34 AM.
GlennR is offline  
Likes For GlennR:
Old 05-10-20, 10:32 AM
  #164  
indyfabz
Senior Member
 
indyfabz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 26,911
Mentioned: 192 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 11365 Post(s)
Liked 2,990 Times in 1,667 Posts
Originally Posted by phughes View Post
Ride in a town with heavy traffic, all you have a cars, and you will hear all of them. Which one is a danger? Based on hearing, you will not be able to know. You need to see.
In my big city you can stand a very good chance of getting a close pass if you can hear rap blasting from the vehicle approaching from behind and youíre riding a narrow street.
indyfabz is offline  
Likes For indyfabz:
Old 05-10-20, 10:41 AM
  #165  
phughes
Senior Member
 
phughes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 1,605
Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 407 Post(s)
Liked 194 Times in 121 Posts
Originally Posted by indyfabz View Post
In my big city you can stand a very good chance of getting a close pass if you can hear rap blasting from the vehicle approaching from behind and youíre riding a narrow street.
I know what you mean, but as long as their bass is loud enough, the sound waves will vibrate your bike enough to slightly levitate your bike so it will simply move to the side like a hockey puck if they hit you, so you won't get hurt.
phughes is offline  
Old 05-10-20, 02:09 PM
  #166  
MattTheHat 
Senior Member
 
MattTheHat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2018
Location: Allen, TX
Posts: 1,459

Bikes: '20 Specialized Roubaix Expert, '18 Specialized Diverge Comp

Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 485 Post(s)
Liked 1,153 Times in 489 Posts
Originally Posted by indyfabz View Post
During a 2016 tour in MT I hung out here for about 20 min. soaking it all in. During that time I did not hear one manmade sound. Not even an airplane. Just the sounds created by the wind and those created by birds and insects. I didn't want to leave.
They call it Big Sky Country for good reason. Look at that sky! Beautiful.
__________________

MattTheHat is offline  
Likes For MattTheHat:
Old 05-10-20, 02:51 PM
  #167  
Bigbus
Senior Member
 
Bigbus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Central West Coast
Posts: 594

Bikes: In Flux

Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 179 Post(s)
Liked 92 Times in 72 Posts
Originally Posted by GlennR View Post
This is my spot. not as secluded but it's a peaceful spot in the middle of the suburbs.




That is until someone passes with a radio playing.
If they were wearing proper ear buds you wouldn't be disturbed... Just saying. I realize that there is at least one, possibly two people out there somewhere that don't like country music, and for their sake, I wear ear buds.
Bigbus is offline  
Likes For Bigbus:
Old 05-10-20, 03:55 PM
  #168  
BobsPoprad
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2020
Location: NW Minnesota
Posts: 54

Bikes: Lemond Poprad, Cervelo Soloist, Cannondale F4, RANS Velocity Squared

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 10 Post(s)
Liked 7 Times in 6 Posts
Used to. Not anymore. Most, if not all, of the reasons have been stated.
BobsPoprad is offline  
Old 05-10-20, 04:05 PM
  #169  
adlai
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 585
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 95 Post(s)
Liked 13 Times in 10 Posts
Originally Posted by Jim from Boston View Post
FWIW, see my preceding post (link) on this thread in reply to this question:
well also a lot of riders are jerks while riding, taking up the entire center lane.

sure, you have the right, but if some guy messes up youíre screwed.

I always ride as far to the right as I can. So that even if the car isnít paying attention perfectly, he wonít hit me.

So it makes no difference if I detect a car behind me because I am always as far to the right as I can be. Any further and Iíll be in grass.
adlai is offline  
Likes For adlai:
Old 05-10-20, 04:55 PM
  #170  
Jim from Boston
Senior Member
 
Jim from Boston's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 7,376
Mentioned: 47 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 799 Post(s)
Liked 203 Times in 159 Posts
Originally Posted by adlai View Post
well also a lot of riders are jerks while riding, taking up the entire center lane.

sure, you have the right, but if some guy messes up youíre screwed.

I always ride as far to the right as I can. So that even if the car isnít paying attention perfectly, he wonít hit me.

So it makes no difference if I detect a car behind me because I am always as far to the right as I can be. Any further and Iíll be in grass.
Well, "Take the Lane" vs "As Far Right as Possible" is another popcorn subject as divisive as Listening to Music via Headphones.
Originally Posted by Jim from Boston View Post
Iím decades-long, year-round cycle commuter in Boston, lucky to have a reverse commute from downtown to a outlying suburbÖ

Riding venues for me are situational, and I use my judgement. Ö
Originally Posted by Maelochs View Post
Doesn't really seem that a lot else needs to be said.
Jim from Boston is offline  
Old 05-10-20, 05:20 PM
  #171  
livedarklions
Cyclesomatic
 
livedarklions's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: New England
Posts: 7,342

Bikes: Serotta Atlanta; 1994 Specialized Allez Pro; Motobecane Fantom CX; Giant OCR A1

Mentioned: 45 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3802 Post(s)
Liked 2,562 Times in 1,473 Posts
Originally Posted by mstateglfr View Post
Just pass the person already!
Seriously though, if the person is walking/jogging/running/cycling in a reliable line, just pass them. There is no need to have everyone acknowledge you on MUPs.

That's the point, though, they appear to be staying in a reliable line and then just dart out in front of you just as you close. This is not common, but I've had a couple of very close calls.
livedarklions is offline  
Old 05-10-20, 05:30 PM
  #172  
CAT7RDR
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2017
Location: Hacienda Hgts
Posts: 697

Bikes: 1999 Schwinn Peloton Ultegra 10, Kestrel RT-1000 Ultegra, Trek Marlin 6 Deore 29'er

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 235 Post(s)
Liked 388 Times in 229 Posts
To the OP: Have you ever been hit by a vehicle? There is usually a couple of seconds once you hear the vehicle to move over closer to the roadside if one is available. I use those few seconds for that purpose. Some of us do not have good hearing to begin with. I count on those few seconds for my safety. So what is most important in your life - music, or the possibility of avoid getting hit?
CAT7RDR is offline  
Likes For CAT7RDR:
Old 05-10-20, 05:50 PM
  #173  
Pugs2xLove
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2020
Posts: 216
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 61 Post(s)
Liked 52 Times in 38 Posts
Originally Posted by GlennR View Post
This is my spot. not as secluded but it's a peaceful spot in the middle of the suburbs.




That is until someone passes with a radio playing.
That's a sharp bike. I like the all black color with red letters.
Pugs2xLove is offline  
Old 05-10-20, 05:52 PM
  #174  
GlennR
Passing on your left
 
GlennR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Long Island, New York, USA
Posts: 6,341

Bikes: Trek Emonda SLR, Sram eTap, Zipp 303

Mentioned: 28 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1637 Post(s)
Liked 637 Times in 333 Posts
Originally Posted by Pugs2xLove View Post
That's a sharp bike. I like the all black color with red letters.
Thanks... I didn't plan it but glad it worked out looking like a uniform paint scheme.
GlennR is offline  
Old 05-10-20, 10:57 PM
  #175  
Camilo
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 4,715
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 309 Post(s)
Liked 92 Times in 58 Posts
Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
That's the point, though, they appear to be staying in a reliable line and then just dart out in front of you just as you close. This is not common, but I've had a couple of very close calls.
The "you" I'm writing about is not the above poster, just a general you. I happen to agree with what is quoted.

To me, if you're on a MUP that has pedestrians on it, you should only be traveling at a speed similar to other pedestrians, the fastest of which are runners. In other words, same speed as the other users.

I don't bother hailing people I'm passing. For one thing, the MUPs I generally ride on are alongside pretty busy roads, so the road noise covers my voice, unless I yell at the top of my lungs. I don't like doing that. Even then, they can't hear if listening to their ear buds (which they have every right to do btw - for chrissakes, they're out for a walk, why shouldn't they?) Not to mention, pets on leashes and kids who are, well, kids. All have every right to be on the trail and all have the right to expect you to be safe.

Like the poster above, I've had people dart in front of me whether I call out or not. The safe thing is just pass at a speed that you can stop or swerve, just as if you were a runner on the path passing walkers.

That is very slow, by the way. Sometimes you actually have to slow to their speed and follow until you can get by safely (at that point you can probably talk to them in a conversational manner to get their attention if need-be).

So I just behave as if I'm just another user at the same speed - I SLOW THE F DOWN to a safe speed, and just pass safely at the speed to make the pass reasonably quickly, but as safe as need be. No need to call your pass in those circumstances, just be safe. If someone yells at you for not calling out, you could stop and explain why you didn't or just give a friendly wave and continue on.

MUPs are MULTI USE. Live with it. Be safe. If you don't like it, get on the street.

If I have a good sight line and see no other users, I go as fast as I want until I do, or until I lose the sight line.

Last edited by Camilo; 05-10-20 at 11:06 PM.
Camilo is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information

Copyright © 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.