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They would, but also with reason.
Google drew in a lot of users to gmail with "free". So those users built their workflow around this free service (recognizing what it "costs" you in data, etc.). If they'd known years ago that Google would start charging for gmail they might have made a different choice. But now, because they've got tons of emails archived/organized/given out their gmail address they're locked into gmail and it's hard (though not impossible) to switch to an alternative.
Same thing with Strava - if you've saved all your activities there you're locked into them - it's possible, but not easy, to extract your ride data and move it elsewhere. If you care about keeping those records it's not easy to move to a different service to keep track of all your riding.
So, while on the one hand I understand the need for Strava to make money, there's also a whiff of exploiting locked in users.
Google drew in a lot of users to gmail with "free". So those users built their workflow around this free service (recognizing what it "costs" you in data, etc.). If they'd known years ago that Google would start charging for gmail they might have made a different choice. But now, because they've got tons of emails archived/organized/given out their gmail address they're locked into gmail and it's hard (though not impossible) to switch to an alternative.
Same thing with Strava - if you've saved all your activities there you're locked into them - it's possible, but not easy, to extract your ride data and move it elsewhere. If you care about keeping those records it's not easy to move to a different service to keep track of all your riding.
So, while on the one hand I understand the need for Strava to make money, there's also a whiff of exploiting locked in users.
In Google's situation, they're taking their free email platform, and giving you the option to buy a higher level of service. Adding services, not taking free ones away if you don't pay.
in Strava's case, they appear to now be taking away services that have been free if you don't pay. Given the expectations of most web users, especially those that have grown up on the internet with the expectation that everything is "free" that roll back is a tough sell.
If Strava now wants us to pay, they need to add something new with something that people will really value.
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- Live Track is real time location sharing. It's the one that's most like Beacon. People say it's flakey.
- Incident Detection sends out a "help me I crashed!" text to your contacts.
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Garmin has two features along these lines:
- Live Track is real time location sharing. It's the one that's most like Beacon. People say it's flakey.
- Incident Detection sends out a "help me I crashed!" text to your contacts.
I have deleted my strava account, its nothing I want to pay for so I am out of the strava world.
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Same thing with Strava - if you've saved all your activities there you're locked into them - it's possible, but not easy, to extract your ride data and move it elsewhere. If you care about keeping those records it's not easy to move to a different service to keep track of all your riding.
So, while on the one hand I understand the need for Strava to make money, there's also a whiff of exploiting locked in users.
So, while on the one hand I understand the need for Strava to make money, there's also a whiff of exploiting locked in users.
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As posted earlier, Strava makes it easy to extract all your ride data. Just go to https://www.strava.com/athlete/delete_your_account, make the download request, wait for the email, and download from the link they'll send you. There's no need to then actually delete your account.
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Strava's export compares favorably to Zwift's, which can only be downloaded one activity at a time.
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It's here now on app and website. Worse than I expected.
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Have a great day.
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Yeah, I'mma call bull****. Strava made their end of migration easy - that your new provider of choice doesn't have their act together is no fault of Strava's.
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I download my Strava data monthly, it is easy. I do that in case one day we have to pay to retrieve it or if Strava goes away.
15yr ago I used to record rides using Garmin Forrunner 201 - very basic GPS tracking. All the files were stored in some Garmin app on local PC, nothing online, but it was easy to export all at one as a .tcx file (.gpx for individual rides) and import in bulk into Strava. Then in Strava I had to manually clean up some activities, categorize the type and give them names. Took about half a day of intermittent work, mainly the renaming and categorizing activity type.
15yr ago I used to record rides using Garmin Forrunner 201 - very basic GPS tracking. All the files were stored in some Garmin app on local PC, nothing online, but it was easy to export all at one as a .tcx file (.gpx for individual rides) and import in bulk into Strava. Then in Strava I had to manually clean up some activities, categorize the type and give them names. Took about half a day of intermittent work, mainly the renaming and categorizing activity type.
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I just checked out VeloViewer -- that is exactly the kind of "Data Driven" platform I am looking for. I'm not really into the social / KOM side of things on Strava. I could see myself spending most of my time in VeloViewer. Too bad it relies on Strava though.
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Anybody remember Photobucket.com? Photobucket was a free third party photo hosting site. At one point most of the photos on this site were hosted by Photobucket. They then imposed some really high fees, and everyone on here quit using them, and found other free or cheaper ways to manage digital images. Photobucket isn't publicly traded so its hard to see how they've fared financially, but it appears that they are a much smaller company as a result of changing to a subscription model.
To a lesser degree, I think Strava runs a similar risk.
To a lesser degree, I think Strava runs a similar risk.
The only thing good about Photobucket was it managed to make Flickr seem good. I think I still have a Flickr account but haven't used it in years. My ISP fees used to include a premium subscription to Flickr, but when they discontinued that I never bothered to pay. Flickr never managed to develop decent tools for archiving photos. I switched to Google for awhile because auto-backups worked seamlessly in the background without being a resource hog. Flickr never managed that.
Strava isn't terrible. It generally works pretty well. They've made some efforts to improve (there's no evidence Photobucket ever tried to improve that lousy site).
I got a long free trial run. I don't mind paying for a subscription for a year to see how it goes.
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All the changes are in place now. Oh man this is good! There is basically no reason to use the free version now. It's been completely bastardized, it's totally useless! The only thing you can do is load rides, but the only way to view them again is scroll thru your feed. And there's nothing that can be taken from any of your rides because all your previous efforts are hidden behind the pay wall. They really should just get rid of the free version altogether at this point. I deleted my account and moved all my data to RWGPS, it seems to have all the features I want. Good luck Strava.
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Honestly once I have power meter and heart rate monitor I will prolly pay for strava. Without having those things I feel that I am missing out on a lot of the info that the subscription covers. I like strava, it’s easy to use, and I have used it to meet other cyclist in the area.
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The only thing good about Photobucket was it managed to make Flickr seem good. I think I still have a Flickr account but haven't used it in years. My ISP fees used to include a premium subscription to Flickr, but when they discontinued that I never bothered to pay. Flickr never managed to develop decent tools for archiving photos. I switched to Google for awhile because auto-backups worked seamlessly in the background without being a resource hog. Flickr never managed that.
I was a paying Flickr subscriber for years, and then Flickr changed their model and essentially encouraged people like me to go 'Free' by making the storage allotment massive and concentrating the 'Premium' features on things like viewing stats, showing where your viewing traffic was coming from, etc (none of which was important to me - I just wanted adequate storage and the ability to share among groups and friends). So I went the Free route for a while, using less than 1% of my storage allotment, until Flickr was bought by another entity and they switched tacks completely - instead of a data storage cap, they decided to cap the number of images that you could store. This instantly moved me from less than 1% of capacity to about 200% of capacity, and the pricing structure and feature set was so not worth it. On top of that, and far worse than Strava, they said that, if any Free users were over their cap, they'd be deleting pictures, oldest to newest, until the user was back under the cap. Then the user would have to delete a picture from their storage before they could upload another new image.
It was a lot of bull****. I stopped being an active user, though I'd check in occasionally; it seemed as if others had curbed their activity, too.
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At first, I thought I might stick with the free version and hang around. Still nice to exchange a few Kudos.
Looks like they pay-walled the Training Log, which was my preferred way to view my activities -- I will be looking at alternatives before paying up. As has been said, Strava's willingness to make radical changes without warning has me skeptical of investing much time or effort into their premium version.
Looks like they pay-walled the Training Log, which was my preferred way to view my activities -- I will be looking at alternatives before paying up. As has been said, Strava's willingness to make radical changes without warning has me skeptical of investing much time or effort into their premium version.
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So it looks to me that I can still my efforts for a segment, and how I compare to my previous efforts on that segment, which is of some value to me.
I’ve lost the ability to compare myself to others on that segment, which to me was at best a curiosity.
I’ve never put much stock in competing on Strava. To me, if you want to compete, pin a number on.
I’ve lost the ability to compare myself to others on that segment, which to me was at best a curiosity.
I’ve never put much stock in competing on Strava. To me, if you want to compete, pin a number on.
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At first, I thought I might stick with the free version and hang around. Still nice to exchange a few Kudos.
Looks like they pay-walled the Training Log, which was my preferred way to view my activities -- I will be looking at alternatives before paying up. As has been said, Strava's willingness to make radical changes without warning has me skeptical of investing much time or effort into their premium version.
Looks like they pay-walled the Training Log, which was my preferred way to view my activities -- I will be looking at alternatives before paying up. As has been said, Strava's willingness to make radical changes without warning has me skeptical of investing much time or effort into their premium version.
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My feed is filled with sponsored challenges (aka advertisements) and each time someone I follow signs up for one it adds it again to the feed. This morning I have more advertisements in feed than others rides
Do these advertisements go away with the paid version?
Do these advertisements go away with the paid version?
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It seems fairly clear to me which provider is the one being difficult here.