Titanium frame builders
06-06-20, 12:06 PM
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My top recommendation would be Firefly. However you have
Seven
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Zinn Cycles
Ti Cycles
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Holland Cycles
amongst many others.
Me personally I wouldn't' do lugged stuff unless it is metal on metal lugs. If you are really looking to add carbon to the ride find someone who does ExoGrid like Holland Cycles. A pure Ti-alloy frame is going to last longer than a lugged carbon frame.
Seven
Moots
Independent Fabrication
Zinn Cycles
Ti Cycles
No.22
Holland Cycles
amongst many others.
Me personally I wouldn't' do lugged stuff unless it is metal on metal lugs. If you are really looking to add carbon to the ride find someone who does ExoGrid like Holland Cycles. A pure Ti-alloy frame is going to last longer than a lugged carbon frame.
And I don't like the idea of the exogrid style for a couple reasons. If it is glued in the full length, it won't let the carbon do its job. If it isn't glued the full length, it is an open spot for grit to get into. Unless they use a flexible adhesive, which I don't see doing in this application.
06-06-20, 12:06 PM
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06-06-20, 12:08 PM
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06-06-20, 12:13 PM
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My top recommendation would be Firefly. However you have
Seven
Moots
Independent Fabrication
Zinn Cycles
Ti Cycles
No.22
Holland Cycles
amongst many others.
Me personally I wouldn't' do lugged stuff unless it is metal on metal lugs. If you are really looking to add carbon to the ride find someone who does ExoGrid like Holland Cycles. A pure Ti-alloy frame is going to last longer than a lugged carbon frame.
Seven
Moots
Independent Fabrication
Zinn Cycles
Ti Cycles
No.22
Holland Cycles
amongst many others.
Me personally I wouldn't' do lugged stuff unless it is metal on metal lugs. If you are really looking to add carbon to the ride find someone who does ExoGrid like Holland Cycles. A pure Ti-alloy frame is going to last longer than a lugged carbon frame.
06-06-20, 12:24 PM
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Ti lugged carbon can't be doing to bad longevity wise. Seven has been doing it since 1997.
And I don't like the idea of the exogrid style for a couple reasons. If it is glued in the full length, it won't let the carbon do its job. If it isn't glued the full length, it is an open spot for grit to get into. Unless they use a flexible adhesive, which I don't see doing in this application.
And I don't like the idea of the exogrid style for a couple reasons. If it is glued in the full length, it won't let the carbon do its job. If it isn't glued the full length, it is an open spot for grit to get into. Unless they use a flexible adhesive, which I don't see doing in this application.
I personally just like the look of the Exogrid I don't know how well it would work.
06-06-20, 12:29 PM
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I am sure they would do it if you wanted that. I can't imagine them saying no to your request. Would love to see the bike when finished. Firefly is awesome. Kevin and the crew are super nice and one day a custom FF will be mine.
06-06-20, 12:30 PM
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"Rivendell raised" is having your bars level with or higher than your saddle. Everything racing is, Grant Peterson and Rivendell Bikes is the opposite. Have fun with your new bike when you get it, and show us pics!
EDIT: I've been told that I was passing off a term that I made up as being in common usage. It isn't. I made it up, on the spot. I think it's pretty good!
EDIT: I've been told that I was passing off a term that I made up as being in common usage. It isn't. I made it up, on the spot. I think it's pretty good!
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06-06-20, 12:51 PM
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"Rivendell raised" is having your bars level with or higher than your saddle. Everything racing is, Grant Peterson and Rivendell Bikes is the opposite. Have fun with your new bike when you get it, and show us pics!
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06-06-20, 04:15 PM
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06-06-20, 05:13 PM
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I can screen shot my browser history of you want. It is pretty much solid bike companies sites for about 4 hours last night.
But to ahead and believe what you want.
06-06-20, 05:15 PM
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I have reasons I decisions.
Are you a used car salesperson?
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06-06-20, 05:26 PM
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Even if picked steel blind, I wouldn't buy one. I live in the rust belt. I will not buy a steel bike. I have seen what happens to aluminum, steel, titanium, and carbon fiber in high salt environments. I used to work in Sea Hawk helicopters in the Navy. Carbon and titanium were not affected at all. Aluminum would corrode of the surface corrosion coating (don't remember the name of the stuff, but it wasn't annodizing, came in a can and turned the aluminum a slightly greenish yellow), steel and aluminum get ugly together without proper anti-seize (look at Ford 5.4I spark plug issues).
I have reasons I decisions.
Are you a used car salesperson?
I have reasons I decisions.
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06-06-20, 05:34 PM
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06-06-20, 06:05 PM
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Yes I have, and I still don't want them.
I don't know what I am talking about? I used to work as an aviation structural mechanic in the Navy working on SH-60F and HH-60H Sea Hawk helicopters. Working on them in the Bahamas, Florida, Nevada, middle of the ocean (summer and winter), and desert in Iraq and Kuwait.
After that, I went to work as a millwright and dust apprenticeship through Local Union 2158. Finished top of my class. Think industrial construction specializing in equipment installation, modification, repair, fabrication, removal, and demo. Did that for 12 years ish. Currently work industrial maintenance in one of the largest cast iron foundries in the USA.
I know a thing or two about corrosion because I have seen a thing or two corrode. I have seen 316LVM corrode away to practically nothing.
The only time I have seen titanium corrode was improper welding procedures. Though that really isn't corrosion, but more a reaction between the titanium and oxygen at high temps.
Tell me, do they paint internal threads, the inside of all tubing? I don't think so.
I am not buying a steel bike because I don't want a steel bike. I plan on having this bike at least 20 years. My 7005 T6 frame Kona is going on 17 years.
Besides, what difference is it to you on how I spend my money?
I don't know what I am talking about? I used to work as an aviation structural mechanic in the Navy working on SH-60F and HH-60H Sea Hawk helicopters. Working on them in the Bahamas, Florida, Nevada, middle of the ocean (summer and winter), and desert in Iraq and Kuwait.
After that, I went to work as a millwright and dust apprenticeship through Local Union 2158. Finished top of my class. Think industrial construction specializing in equipment installation, modification, repair, fabrication, removal, and demo. Did that for 12 years ish. Currently work industrial maintenance in one of the largest cast iron foundries in the USA.
I know a thing or two about corrosion because I have seen a thing or two corrode. I have seen 316LVM corrode away to practically nothing.
The only time I have seen titanium corrode was improper welding procedures. Though that really isn't corrosion, but more a reaction between the titanium and oxygen at high temps.
Tell me, do they paint internal threads, the inside of all tubing? I don't think so.
I am not buying a steel bike because I don't want a steel bike. I plan on having this bike at least 20 years. My 7005 T6 frame Kona is going on 17 years.
Besides, what difference is it to you on how I spend my money?
06-06-20, 11:39 PM
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Not sure if a Ti-lug carbon frame would work better than all-carbon. In my crashes with steel bikes it's been the fork or frame tubes that bent.
06-07-20, 12:28 AM
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Which is fine for ti-lugged carbon frame. Individual tubes (probably in a pair to open up the triangle in question) can be replaced without killing the entire frame. And you don't have a repair over a crack, but an outright replacement.
