Any guesses on this vintage gal?
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Any guesses on this vintage gal?
Before I take a plunge...
Bulbous stays/seat tube attachment
Interesting cut-out
Elegant cable guides and a flat top fork crown
Campy guides and dropouts
Obviously a repaint...
Longhorn campy drops
Reminds me of a Spanish build for some reason...
Bulbous stays/seat tube attachment
Interesting cut-out
Elegant cable guides and a flat top fork crown
Campy guides and dropouts
Obviously a repaint...
Longhorn campy drops
Reminds me of a Spanish build for some reason...
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Bottom bracket threading???
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I...
I think ...
I think this may be a Ron Cooper.
I've seen them with the four holes in the BB like this, and the stays are a dead ringer, both in the way they are attached to the seat lug and the way they are domed at the dropout. Fork crown is also something he's used. Are the fork blade ends domed where they attach to the dropouts?
Hell of a find, if I'm right.
I think ...
I think this may be a Ron Cooper.
I've seen them with the four holes in the BB like this, and the stays are a dead ringer, both in the way they are attached to the seat lug and the way they are domed at the dropout. Fork crown is also something he's used. Are the fork blade ends domed where they attach to the dropouts?
Hell of a find, if I'm right.
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Not that the bottom bracket cutouts are exclusive to, but Ron Cooper came to mind as well. An old 70’s Bicycling! Magazine as I recall did a write up on him.
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I wasn't aware of the holes in the bb shell on Ron Coopers, maybe those are the older ones (?).
I completely concur WRT the seatstay joinery, that looks like Ron Cooper's great execution there.
This frame being about my size, would be oh so jealous if I didn't have one already!
You will love the ride.
I completely concur WRT the seatstay joinery, that looks like Ron Cooper's great execution there.
This frame being about my size, would be oh so jealous if I didn't have one already!
You will love the ride.
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Pay little attention to the top tube cable guides and even the bottom bracket cable guides, actually any save the drive side chainstay stop.
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I bid on it. If it is a Ron Cooper, would it have British threading? What tubes might they be?
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His work and materials were always top notch.
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Here is hoping!
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we are clearly in Britain here
lug pattern Prugnat 62/d
fork crown Vagner DL
top tube guides post manufacture add-on
looks like we are in the early 1970's
mitred-in seat stays and BB cutouts are certainly suggestive of the barrel maker
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we are clearly in Britain here
lug pattern Prugnat 62/d
fork crown Vagner DL
top tube guides post manufacture add-on
looks like we are in the early 1970's
mitred-in seat stays and BB cutouts are certainly suggestive of the barrel maker
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You're lucky it's not my size. I'd have sleuthed it out and cut a deal with the seller behind your back!
Love my 1970s-era Cooper to death. Its serial also has 3 digits and starts with 7.
Love my 1970s-era Cooper to death. Its serial also has 3 digits and starts with 7.
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Stop giving others ideas!!!! I am hoping I get this one...
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Please, stave off any false conclusions...
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I assumed early-mid 70s, but bottle bosses and DT shifter bosses made me think a bit later (77 or 78). With the bulbous stay caps, I got confused.
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Forgive me, I see something that looks Cooper-ish and I get excited. Like there are baby pictures of me next to the family heirloom Ron Cooper frame I'm riding on now. You could say I'm a fanboy.
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Sorry, just word play instigated by juvela and his 'Cooper-barrel-maker' references. Hence 'stave'. I respect everyone's opinions on this kind of sleuthing.
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See I can't even keep my banter straight when presented with photos of Ron Coopers.
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So what I am hea"ring" is not to get a"head" of ourselves? Thats "oak-keg" by me...
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...just watch out for the bung hole!
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note that serial appears to begin 7 2 8(?). 1972 would be a plausible construction date. (unfamiliar with Ronnie's serial system)
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shell looks like a BOCAMA pattern. here it is on a Gazelle Champion Mondial of 1979 -
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if you should elect to proceed with it please begin a build thread so that we can all follow along and share in your enjoyment of working with the frame.
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...just watch out for the bung hole!
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note that serial appears to begin 7 2 8(?). 1972 would be a plausible construction date. (unfamiliar with Ronnie's serial system)
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shell looks like a BOCAMA pattern. here it is on a Gazelle Champion Mondial of 1979 -
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if you should elect to proceed with it please begin a build thread so that we can all follow along and share in your enjoyment of working with the frame.
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I think we've bung-led this thread all to hell.
OK, I quit, promise. Geez, the master got in there first.
OK, I quit, promise. Geez, the master got in there first.
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The humor in this thread is scraping the bottom.