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Just noticed on the photo of the fork ends that the hub appears to be a red label Normandy Luxe Competition rather than the Normandy sport hubs common on the SC MKII bikes. The red label hubs had the distinctive red dust shields and a slightly smaller flange diameter than the earlier gold label hubs. I had a pair of Normandy Sport hubs in about that condition and tried to polish then, it was brutal. Hope your luck is better.
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Nope, not aggressive at all. It's safe for the operator and the work. This isn't the final step, I use NEVR-DULL wadding polish for a mirror shine.
Polishing metal or plastic or whatever is the process of removing material, or leveling the surface. The smoother the surface is, the shinier it gets.
Polishing metal or plastic or whatever is the process of removing material, or leveling the surface. The smoother the surface is, the shinier it gets.
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My apologies to non-fixie , I don't want to derail this thread, just sharing my experiences of restoring old road bikes and encourage anyone to re-use as many of the original parts as you can...
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1500 grit? I have a stereo microscope used for parts inspection but let's not get crazy...
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Just noticed on the photo of the fork ends that the hub appears to be a red label Normandy Luxe Competition rather than the Normandy sport hubs common on the SC MKII bikes. The red label hubs had the distinctive red dust shields and a slightly smaller flange diameter than the earlier gold label hubs. I had a pair of Normandy Sport hubs in about that condition and tried to polish then, it was brutal. Hope your luck is better.
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Did I mention it is 26.4?
It is 26.4.
It is 26.4.
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Thanks. BTW, we seem to have a "76" theme developing here.
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Hi, Maarten. I saw this bike on Markplaats, happy that YOU pulled the trigger and got it especially because it's your size! I am sure it will be a nice ride! By the way, I saw another Super Course MKII about a month ago or so at my LBS. It was a customer's bike and was outfitted with Suntour derailleurs and Power shifters, the rest I can't remember unfortunately. Cranks were definetely not Stronglight and I think it had no derailleur hanger, but I am not sure anymore. I should have paid more attention. The color was copper/orange as far as I remember.
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I am confident the oxidation and rust are mostly Dutch. I really can't imagine anyone taking the trouble to bring along a bike from the PNW to Holland in this condition. (I mean, I can of course, but not the SO who would condone that. )
And thank you for the feedback on the saddle. Much appreciated!
And thank you for the feedback on the saddle. Much appreciated!
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I dismantled the bike today, as far as I could. Most parts came out/off easily, except for the bar stem and the headset lock nut. They won't budge, so they are currently soaking in WD40. Hope that helps.
The chrome is not great, but should polish up decently. The paint is in bad shape. The white has gone all chalky, and the red is bubbly because of the rust beneath. It will have to come off, I'm afraid.
The chrome is not great, but should polish up decently. The paint is in bad shape. The white has gone all chalky, and the red is bubbly because of the rust beneath. It will have to come off, I'm afraid.
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Maarten,
How do you feel about it? It’s still going to be a great bike and wonderful rider even with a new coat. IMO, it’s worth giving it a lot more years of use by you and a few more people later on. Understandable that the first preference is original paint...
How do you feel about it? It’s still going to be a great bike and wonderful rider even with a new coat. IMO, it’s worth giving it a lot more years of use by you and a few more people later on. Understandable that the first preference is original paint...
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What I have been doing is to use Renaissance Wax for oxidized paint. Rub it in gently and let it dry then buff it lightly. Sometimes I'll apply the wax a couple more times. It seems to preserve and feed the paint.
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A conundrum indeed. How are the painting/powder coating options in the low part of the world?
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BTW, the lock nut is now free, but the stem is still stuck. Added more WD40 and hoping for better luck tomorrow.
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For the stuck stem quill, I've had good luck with heating the stem and then letting it cool.
The heat expands the quill lengthwise which helps break much of the bond within the steerer.
I will apply a penetrant as the stem/steerer are cooling, having cooled down below the smoking temperature.
A lot of heat can be applied before the head tube starts to get hot, but the handlebar will try to pull heat out of the stem.
If you can secure the crown in a vise then you'll more easily apply twisting force through the quill.
The heat expands the quill lengthwise which helps break much of the bond within the steerer.
I will apply a penetrant as the stem/steerer are cooling, having cooled down below the smoking temperature.
A lot of heat can be applied before the head tube starts to get hot, but the handlebar will try to pull heat out of the stem.
If you can secure the crown in a vise then you'll more easily apply twisting force through the quill.
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For the stuck stem quill, I've had good luck with heating the stem and then letting it cool.
The heat expands the quill lengthwise which helps break much of the bond within the steerer.
I will apply a penetrant as the stem/steerer are cooling, having cooled down below the smoking temperature.
A lot of heat can be applied before the head tube starts to get hot, but the handlebar will try to pull heat out of the stem.
If you can secure the crown in a vise then you'll more easily apply twisting force through the quill.
The heat expands the quill lengthwise which helps break much of the bond within the steerer.
I will apply a penetrant as the stem/steerer are cooling, having cooled down below the smoking temperature.
A lot of heat can be applied before the head tube starts to get hot, but the handlebar will try to pull heat out of the stem.
If you can secure the crown in a vise then you'll more easily apply twisting force through the quill.
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I have yet to do more than a quick spot test, but I am hopeful it will preserve the patina.
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As for the stuck stem maybe turn the whole frame and bars upside down add some solvent oil from the bottom of the fork let it sit overnight. Then just get the biggest adjustable wrench you can turn it tight as you can then turn with all you might and hope for the best..
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So today I got the drain cleaner, the goggles, the rubber gloves and the recipe for Swedish Mojitos.
First order of business was to remove the upper part of the stem. Turns out sawing it out wasn't really a viable option anyway. Death stems? Not Gerry's:
About the build: I'm still in two minds about that. I agree with you reasoning, but I'll be doing the paintwork myself anyway, so maybe $40 worth of paint and a couple of days of my time, which is not like I'm robbing my pension fund. And I would like it to be finished and tested before a planned week of cycling in Italy in September ....
Perhaps the Mojitos will help in making that decision as well.
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non-fixie love the thread and the bike. Just wanted to add some info for reference.
I have the same color and same size MK II with Stronglight 93, jubilee rear mech (original owner replaced front) challenger or jubilee front mech would have been from factory, and forged rear dropouts with hanger. I have also read some came with nervar star crank. The forged dropouts apparently was a 25.5" only thing (from what I have researched, so take with a grain of salt).
Keep us posted with the progress. If you repaint are you going factory color scheme?
I have the same color and same size MK II with Stronglight 93, jubilee rear mech (original owner replaced front) challenger or jubilee front mech would have been from factory, and forged rear dropouts with hanger. I have also read some came with nervar star crank. The forged dropouts apparently was a 25.5" only thing (from what I have researched, so take with a grain of salt).
Keep us posted with the progress. If you repaint are you going factory color scheme?