Show Me Your Kickstand? Or Is That Too Personal?
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The only confusing part would be the mount, I suppose. Here is a photo from Amazon, showing it mounts with quite a tall stack. I just don't know that I want to add almost 3 pounds with this thing. That is excessively heavy in my opinion.
https://www.amazon.com/Ursus-Jumbo-D.../dp/B00D1T90XK
https://www.amazon.com/Ursus-Jumbo-D.../dp/B00D1T90XK
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I figure that if a stand works for you and you find it worth the weight you should have one. I also agree that the two legged stand is nice as a work stand.
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The original stand which came with this bike was rubbish. So I had this made up. I would have liked to make a good solid kickstand out of aluminum, but I used what was available.
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I think this nails it. For me, the extra pound or so just won't matter considering the value of being able to flop down a stand and hold my bike up. All is takes is one slight breeze to blow a bike leaning on something, and down it goes. Laying my bike down either gets all of my bags dirty or scuffed. And being able to access stuff in my rear bags without having to manage the upright position of the bike at the same time is what turns the tide for me. I still believe I'll order the double stand. I totally understand the weight savings of not having one, but I really like that convenience and will pay the price. I can afford to lose a few pounds anywho....
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Nor would this one
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Nor this one
Rollins Pass, 8/10/85 by Stuart Black, on Flickr
And this HelMart in upstate New York would have to fall down before my bike would fall over
2015-05-03 11.38.54 by Stuart Black, on Flickr
I’ve had plenty bike fall over when I was using a kickstand many eons ago and I’ve witnessed many bikes falling over since. I don’t use them now because I got out of the habit and found I didn’t need them. Use them if you want but most people find that they don’t need them.
The video shows a number of the problems I see with kickstands. The legs on that one seem to hang further down than the one sided ones. The mount is also extremely low. It seems low enough to catch on a curb or sharper speed bump. It also hangs low enough that it would catch on sticks, logs and rocks for off-road riding...which is the main reason I don’t use them.
Finally, the video illustrates why stands of don’t necessarily make working on a bike any easier. At 0:27, he spins the crank and it hits the stand. You couldn’t spin the crank all the way around while it is up on the stand nor could you spin the crank all the way around with a single side stand.
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The video shows a number of the problems I see with kickstands. The legs on that one seem to hang further down than the one sided ones. The mount is also extremely low. It seems low enough to catch on a curb or sharper speed bump. It also hangs low enough that it would catch on sticks, logs and rocks for off-road riding...which is the main reason I don’t use them.
Finally, the video illustrates why stands of don’t necessarily make working on a bike any easier. At 0:27, he spins the crank and it hits the stand. You couldn’t spin the crank all the way around while it is up on the stand nor could you spin the crank all the way around with a single side stand.
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When I was a kid i had a paper route and a bike with really big rear baskets. And I had a kickstand like that but mine was made out of stamped sheet steel. And it hung down that far so that the leg on the right side cleared the chain.
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I'm looking at this one. I read the Q and A section and it says the cranks can be rotated while the legs are down. One person even said they even sat on the bike while the stand was down. I would never do that due to the possibility of crushing the chain stays, but it was an interesting testament to it's weight capacity.
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I don't get that statement. Maybe it is just me, but I always figured that a bike is more likely to blow over when on a little stand than when leaning against a nice solid wall, guard rail, or whatever. I figure that is doubly true when the stand is on dirt. My buddies tell me their bikes never blow over when on their stands, but I know better because I have seen it happen the times they seem to have forgotten about. I think maybe the key is to not rely on the stand when in the open and the wind is really blowing.
I figure that if a stand works for you and you find it worth the weight you should have one. I also agree that the two legged stand is nice as a work stand.
I figure that if a stand works for you and you find it worth the weight you should have one. I also agree that the two legged stand is nice as a work stand.
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I mentioned above that when I was a kid I had a double leg center stand for my paper route bike. That bike I often had very heavy rear load. But I never had anything on the front of the bike, so the front wheel easily was suspended up in the air when i had the rear baskets loaded. Most of the weight was on the rear wheel, a small amount of weight was on the center stand.
If most of the weight is on the front wheel or rear wheel but not both, then a center stand does not have much load on it. But a balanced load on the bike if you had both front and rear panniers would have a center of gravity closer to where the kickstand is mounted, thus most of the weight could be on the frame at the kickstand mounting point. I would be nervous about applying that kind of stress to a frame that was not designed for it.
I know people have used double leg center stands and I have not read of any frame failures, so maybe the frames can take it. But I would still be nervous about that.
I had to use some muscle to get my motorcycle up onto the center stand, but that frame was designed with the center stand in mind.
If most of the weight is on the front wheel or rear wheel but not both, then a center stand does not have much load on it. But a balanced load on the bike if you had both front and rear panniers would have a center of gravity closer to where the kickstand is mounted, thus most of the weight could be on the frame at the kickstand mounting point. I would be nervous about applying that kind of stress to a frame that was not designed for it.
I know people have used double leg center stands and I have not read of any frame failures, so maybe the frames can take it. But I would still be nervous about that.
I had to use some muscle to get my motorcycle up onto the center stand, but that frame was designed with the center stand in mind.
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Nice bike indeed, but lets be honest, he took this photo mere seconds after putting it up on the stand--how do I know? There aren't any oil drops on the pavement yet (smiley winky face thingee)
I could google it, but wont--given the front drum, my guess is 1970?
I look at that bike, and it really makes me think of how when I started riding motorcycles, it was on bikes from this era, and how with each decade, bikes became just so much composed and improved chassis, suspension and brakes wise--just amazingly so, and very neat to clearly recall how the 70s and 80s bikes I rode felt in these regards.
fun to put this shot up though, thanks
I could google it, but wont--given the front drum, my guess is 1970?
I look at that bike, and it really makes me think of how when I started riding motorcycles, it was on bikes from this era, and how with each decade, bikes became just so much composed and improved chassis, suspension and brakes wise--just amazingly so, and very neat to clearly recall how the 70s and 80s bikes I rode felt in these regards.
fun to put this shot up though, thanks
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Nice bike indeed, but lets be honest, he took this photo mere seconds after putting it up on the stand--how do I know? There aren't any oil drops on the pavement yet (smiley winky face thingee)
I could google it, but wont--given the front drum, my guess is 1970?
I look at that bike, and it really makes me think of how when I started riding motorcycles, it was on bikes from this era, and how with each decade, bikes became just so much composed and improved chassis, suspension and brakes wise--just amazingly so, and very neat to clearly recall how the 70s and 80s bikes I rode felt in these regards.
fun to put this shot up though, thanks
I could google it, but wont--given the front drum, my guess is 1970?
I look at that bike, and it really makes me think of how when I started riding motorcycles, it was on bikes from this era, and how with each decade, bikes became just so much composed and improved chassis, suspension and brakes wise--just amazingly so, and very neat to clearly recall how the 70s and 80s bikes I rode felt in these regards.
fun to put this shot up though, thanks
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I'm looking at this one. I read the Q and A section and it says the cranks can be rotated while the legs are down. One person even said they even sat on the bike while the stand was down. I would never do that due to the possibility of crushing the chain stays, but it was an interesting testament to it's weight capacity.
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Photo from the other side below, the newer style drum worked better being a twin leading shoe than the older standard drum brake that was single leading shoe. Even though there was a scoop for air flow so rain water could get in to the brake pads, the brakes worked just as well in rain as dry. The brakes always stopped me, thus I could never figure out why people wanted disc brakes.
Sorry for being off topic, in an attempt to get back on topic this photo has the side stand in use.
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tks T, probably good to remove plugs and turn over by hand once in a blue moon after putting some heavy weight oil in the cylinders---but I'll now shut up about motorcycles--except for this, even with motorcycles, kickstands can sink into hot, soft asphalt and you can come out and your motorcycle is on the ground.
so even with bicycles, and more so with a loaded one, you have to watch where you put the foot of the stand.
so even with bicycles, and more so with a loaded one, you have to watch where you put the foot of the stand.
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Old photo, have not driven it in years but still own it. And a few others.
Photo from the other side below, the newer style drum worked better being a twin leading shoe than the older standard drum brake that was single leading shoe. Even though there was a scoop for air flow so rain water could get in to the brake pads, the brakes worked just as well in rain as dry. The brakes always stopped me, thus I could never figure out why people wanted disc brakes.
Sorry for being off topic, in an attempt to get back on topic this photo has the side stand in use.
Photo from the other side below, the newer style drum worked better being a twin leading shoe than the older standard drum brake that was single leading shoe. Even though there was a scoop for air flow so rain water could get in to the brake pads, the brakes worked just as well in rain as dry. The brakes always stopped me, thus I could never figure out why people wanted disc brakes.
Sorry for being off topic, in an attempt to get back on topic this photo has the side stand in use.
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I got the stand today and installed it. It weighs in at 589g, so about 1.3 pounds. The drive side clears the crank, but the non-drive side doesn't, I can get about 340 degrees of rotation when turning the crank. The feet are adjustable, but I left them in the default lowest position. With weight in the rear, one pic shows how high the front wheel is off the ground. Excuse the grease you see on at the bottom bracket. I had serviced the bearings just a short time ago and need to wipe off the excess.
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I figure this is the closest we have to a kickstand appreciation thread so I'm putting this here, seen in ad for a Hercules. Nice top!
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I have nothing to add to what I said three and a half years ago in this thread.
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I had the two-leg Pletscher kickstand seen above at post #43 on my Bassi Hog's Back gravel bike.
It lasted until about hour three on the road on the first tour on that bike.
It worked itself a little loose, and then looser still, to where i had to stop and do something about it. I had my regular tools that i have carried for many years, with no wrench that fit the enormous bolt that holds the thing on. I thus could not tighten it enough to make it safe/secure, and ended up removing it entirely, because that i could do. Also that wrench would have to have been some kind of unusually-configured socket, because of poor clearance around the bolt making it very hard to get at.
The kickstand ended up getting mailed home from the first post office i saw. It was great while it lasted- just make sure you have a wrench that will re-tighten it, or else have $ for postage home.
It lasted until about hour three on the road on the first tour on that bike.
It worked itself a little loose, and then looser still, to where i had to stop and do something about it. I had my regular tools that i have carried for many years, with no wrench that fit the enormous bolt that holds the thing on. I thus could not tighten it enough to make it safe/secure, and ended up removing it entirely, because that i could do. Also that wrench would have to have been some kind of unusually-configured socket, because of poor clearance around the bolt making it very hard to get at.
The kickstand ended up getting mailed home from the first post office i saw. It was great while it lasted- just make sure you have a wrench that will re-tighten it, or else have $ for postage home.
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I was able to put the stand back in service by getting a longer bolt to reach the lower half of the threaded hole, but I'll be using something else for future touring.
Maybe this from a telescoping tarp pole and some rope ( a lot lighter than the stand ) :
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Did I miss it? I haven’t seen anyone mention the Click-Stand. Allied with a SteerStopper, the Click-Stand works great. It makes loading panniers very convenient.
The SteerStopper and the Click-Stand brake lever bungee make leaning your bicycle against almost anything solid, secure, and easy. You can lean either tire, the handlebar, the seat, almost any part of the bicycle or pannier against a wall, fence, pole, tree, whatever and it is secure.
The SteerStopper and the Click-Stand brake lever bungee make leaning your bicycle against almost anything solid, secure, and easy. You can lean either tire, the handlebar, the seat, almost any part of the bicycle or pannier against a wall, fence, pole, tree, whatever and it is secure.
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Anything can work
Never could catch anything with this piece of junk!