Maelochs

Yeah, there are fewer cycling road rage killings ... because the killers are in cars. Put them on bikes and well .....

icemilkcoffee 

The best solution would be a network of underground tunnels for bikes. That way you are sheltered from the weather and car traffic. And bike tunnels are smaller and cheaper to dig than car or subway tunnels.

Maelochs

^Except in places with high water tables.

Maelochs

Also ... who wants to bike in a tunnel?

tomato coupe

And you could pump all the air out of them to eliminate aerodynamic drag and cut commute times.

Chuck M 

Maybe those are the ones that don't wave and they are just waiting for a reason.

wheelreason

Perfect, no more cyclists.... Thay used to do this in dog pounds...

SoSmellyAir

The buttholes you describe largely behave the way they do because they feel (and practically are) invulnerable in their monster trucks and/or giant SUVs. If they ride bicycles around on their own power (i.e., not e-bikes) their behavior would (hopefully) adjust accordingly.

That said, this is largely a pipe dream since I agree with most of the infrastructure points above.

badger1

This thing will surely be moved to either A&S or P&R (it would fit in either; certainly doesn't belong here)?

base2 

A&S exists because of automobile & oil industry politics influencing urban planning creating the conflict with all other modes that A&S seeks to address.

P&R is for complaining and taking pot-shots that whoever you don't like is the cause of the world's ills & proclaiming whoever it is you do like is the saviour of humanity.

This thread belongs to A&S with all the other wishes & proposals for mode conflict solutions caused by poor political policy.

Pratt

I love bikes, one of the reasons I am here, however, right now it is 7° F outside, even when it is 68° and sunny, I still live 2+ miles up an 8% grade. I'm not sure a bike rack will help.

shelbyfv

Yep, one would think....

Jughed

The city I grew up in...

If you were to commute from most areas into the center of the city - the business district...

You would get shot and have your bike stolen.

Steel Charlie

When cars are outlawed only outlaws will have cars. And the very rich of course.

Or Mad Max on bikes

70sSanO

The adoption of e-bikes by younger generations is the only hope to increase bike use and decrease dependency on cars. It doesn’t solve inclement weather or transporting goods. There will always be a need for cars for some activities.

The other aspect is eliminating cycling as exercise or improving health. While that might be admirable, it will never be an overall motivator for people in general.

Jumping on an e-bike to visit a friend close by or a short non-transport errand on MUP systems laid out to eliminate stops makes it a benefit not a chore.

Our twin sons both ended up in AZ and are a few miles from each other. Neither would ride an e-bike to work or shopping, but to stop by the other’s house it is faster and easier to jump on a e-bike hit a few streets and a MUP. But it will never happen in the Summer.

There are very few who will inconvenience themselves for the benefit of the masses who will not.

John

jon c. 

Bicycles were not a dominant transportation mode before everyone had a car. Hard to imagine that happening now. E-bikes may have a modest impact on reducing auto travel in metropolitan areas. A small reduction is auto usage is the most one can hope for.

I live in a rural area, roughly 10 miles from anything. I love riding for pleasure but for practical transportation I'll always be in a motor vehicle.

terrymorse 

The California government is starting to get involved with e-bike promotion and subsidies:

"Qualifying applicants will get a voucher of up to $1,000 for a regular e-bike and up to $1,750 for a cargo or adaptive e-bike."

What happens in California usually spreads to other states, eventually.

base2 

Before the automobile, horses were the dominant mode of travel. Bicycles were popular because they were just as convenient with none of the cost or upkeep a horse required. It was only mass production that shifted the cost/convenience curve in favor of automobiles.

Livin' 10 miles out of town, you can still ride a horse for your errands. Sure is cheaper than a car these days and probably healthy for the horse to get out of the barn once in a while.

jon c. 

You can certainly acquire a horse for less than a car. But the maintenance costs (and labor) for the horse may override that in the long run.

In the 1800s there was some outcry about bicyclists riding on the roads because they (allegedly) scared the horses. I read an article from the Rochester Historical Society archives on restrictions proposed for bicycles in the city for that reason. Wish I could link it but I've never been able to find it again.

SurferRosa

That'll be great in a few thousand more years when we devolve back into mole like creatures to escape all the nuclear fallout.

SurferRosa

And less **** in the street.

Maelochs

From what I have heard, horses in urban areas were untenable because of the waste issues ..... incontinent animals, high volumes of waste, disease .....

Nothing gets over the biggest issue with cycling---it Is Work. yes, riding a horse takes some effort, but riding a bike takes a lot more .... and riding a horse uphill carrying a sizeable load takes the same effort as riding on the flat, while riding a bike uphill with a big load takes a lot of effort. And a lot of the Earth has hills.

wheelreason

vase,.....vase!....

indyfabz

Fight the power!

70sSanO

Just wanted to make your post current for 2024.

John