Hypothetical on the breakaway..
02-03-09, 06:48 AM
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We're still happy with getting a guy in the break and making it stick, but annoyed with the way those guys played and the last thing we want to see is them feel rewarded for being a bunch of tools.
02-03-09, 07:36 AM
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^well, that's getting it done individually and team wise.
does the local points standings have a team category? perhaps this is a team goal of theirs so they want to put as many as they can into "points" positions, and it was lost on them that 5 out of 9 gives them a pretty good shot at lots of points. who knows, but really, what you describe is very negative racing that takes the fun out of it - for them too. if they had 20 in a 100 racer field, they really should be gobbling up series points no matter how the race plays out.
hopefully this isnt a beacon of the racing for your season, racing against a team of 20 intent on negative tactics is tough to interrupt.
does the local points standings have a team category? perhaps this is a team goal of theirs so they want to put as many as they can into "points" positions, and it was lost on them that 5 out of 9 gives them a pretty good shot at lots of points. who knows, but really, what you describe is very negative racing that takes the fun out of it - for them too. if they had 20 in a 100 racer field, they really should be gobbling up series points no matter how the race plays out.
hopefully this isnt a beacon of the racing for your season, racing against a team of 20 intent on negative tactics is tough to interrupt.
02-03-09, 07:43 AM
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How the heck did they get 5 guys into a break, by the way? I'd like to be able to do that.
02-03-09, 07:58 AM
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I would think that trying to take all 5 off the back would just result in the 5 counter-attacking from the gap and going straight around the rest of the break. Being somewhat fresh and anywhere near as strong this is what I would do with my team. Of course, they have to realize what is happening.
02-03-09, 08:31 AM
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What a bunch of bozos. Really.
What were they trying to do? If they were just monitoring the break they didn't need 5 guys. Were they working for a field sprint? You need to have a GREAT sprinter if your going to give up those odds for a bunch sprint.
If they were trying to get as many guys in the break as possible then they'd already succeeded and should be driving. Was there a really strong rider in the break that they didn't want to pull to the line? I could see not working in that case but it just sounds like they didn't have a clue. Next thing you know they will put all 20 riders at the front and form a wall because they heard someone talking about 'blocking'.
I'd either sit on and let the break get reeled in or I'd attack the crap out of these bozos until there were maybe 1 or 2 left.
I hate racing like that.
What were they trying to do? If they were just monitoring the break they didn't need 5 guys. Were they working for a field sprint? You need to have a GREAT sprinter if your going to give up those odds for a bunch sprint.
If they were trying to get as many guys in the break as possible then they'd already succeeded and should be driving. Was there a really strong rider in the break that they didn't want to pull to the line? I could see not working in that case but it just sounds like they didn't have a clue. Next thing you know they will put all 20 riders at the front and form a wall because they heard someone talking about 'blocking'.
I'd either sit on and let the break get reeled in or I'd attack the crap out of these bozos until there were maybe 1 or 2 left.
I hate racing like that.
02-03-09, 08:31 AM
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Every attempt to get a break established brought a cast of those characters. Eventually after reshuffling the deck for 90 minutes everyone decided to just roll with it.
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02-03-09, 09:28 AM
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What a bunch of bozos. Really.
What were they trying to do? If they were just monitoring the break they didn't need 5 guys. Were they working for a field sprint? You need to have a GREAT sprinter if your going to give up those odds for a bunch sprint.
If they were trying to get as many guys in the break as possible then they'd already succeeded and should be driving. Was there a really strong rider in the break that they didn't want to pull to the line? I could see not working in that case but it just sounds like they didn't have a clue. Next thing you know they will put all 20 riders at the front and form a wall because they heard someone talking about 'blocking'.
I'd either sit on and let the break get reeled in or I'd attack the crap out of these bozos until there were maybe 1 or 2 left.
I hate racing like that.
What were they trying to do? If they were just monitoring the break they didn't need 5 guys. Were they working for a field sprint? You need to have a GREAT sprinter if your going to give up those odds for a bunch sprint.
If they were trying to get as many guys in the break as possible then they'd already succeeded and should be driving. Was there a really strong rider in the break that they didn't want to pull to the line? I could see not working in that case but it just sounds like they didn't have a clue. Next thing you know they will put all 20 riders at the front and form a wall because they heard someone talking about 'blocking'.
I'd either sit on and let the break get reeled in or I'd attack the crap out of these bozos until there were maybe 1 or 2 left.
I hate racing like that.
02-03-09, 09:35 AM
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Seriously, this sort of thing sickens me. Race your f-ing bike, you *******.
02-03-09, 10:19 AM
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From that teams perspective.
https://zmotionracing.blogspot.com
https://zmotionracing.blogspot.com
Race Report - Deland Road Race
Another great day of racing for ZMotion in Deland. The Masters team combined forces to field 17 guys in the 35+ race. We raced the seven mile loop eight times and for over five of those laps had total coverage of every single break. Karl spent almost two laps solo off the front between laps three and four.
Then we saw a break form with 11 people and 5 of them some of our ZMotion strongmen. We immediately got up front and totally shut down any attempt to bridge up. Special props go out to Raife as he was constantly blocking.
Up in the break ZMotion was doing the lions share of the work. On the final lap Julio took a flyer but with a guy on his wheel he sacrificed for the team and shut it down. Then Jeff grabbed some wheels and when he went around he never looked back to get win number two.
Julio was temporarily boxed in but got out in time to snag 3rd with Amir, Chuck and Shaun coming in 5th, 6th and 7th. Another Masters domination.
The Pro 1,2 race was again blazing fast with a race length of 63 miles and a decisive late break that stuck. Flaco was involved in some breaks and race rumos said that Wayne, Tiago and Chris all did some good work out there.
Another great day of racing for ZMotion in Deland. The Masters team combined forces to field 17 guys in the 35+ race. We raced the seven mile loop eight times and for over five of those laps had total coverage of every single break. Karl spent almost two laps solo off the front between laps three and four.
Then we saw a break form with 11 people and 5 of them some of our ZMotion strongmen. We immediately got up front and totally shut down any attempt to bridge up. Special props go out to Raife as he was constantly blocking.
Up in the break ZMotion was doing the lions share of the work. On the final lap Julio took a flyer but with a guy on his wheel he sacrificed for the team and shut it down. Then Jeff grabbed some wheels and when he went around he never looked back to get win number two.
Julio was temporarily boxed in but got out in time to snag 3rd with Amir, Chuck and Shaun coming in 5th, 6th and 7th. Another Masters domination.
The Pro 1,2 race was again blazing fast with a race length of 63 miles and a decisive late break that stuck. Flaco was involved in some breaks and race rumos said that Wayne, Tiago and Chris all did some good work out there.
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02-03-09, 10:58 AM
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he said. she said.
I will say that I actually have raced at times with some of this team, and their tactics did seem a bit unbecoming.
I will say that I actually have raced at times with some of this team, and their tactics did seem a bit unbecoming.
02-03-09, 03:56 PM
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I am sorry, I should have made myself clear.
I agree with the OP, the other blog I read all the riders in this race complained along the same lines about this team.
I just like how they spun the facts to make themselves look like they did a great job.
I agree with the OP, the other blog I read all the riders in this race complained along the same lines about this team.
I just like how they spun the facts to make themselves look like they did a great job.
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02-03-09, 04:43 PM
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Unfortunately, sooner or later, this will backfire on them. Every other team out there is going to do everything in their power to make sure that they don't get results. I've seen people go above and beyond their normal abilities simply to spite someone else.
Hopefully the other teams learn from this, and figure out a way to make the rest of the season somewhat respectable.
Hopefully the other teams learn from this, and figure out a way to make the rest of the season somewhat respectable.
02-03-09, 05:43 PM
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This is when you go to the middle of the group and insinuate yourself right up their arses. Wiggle your way through and don't be shy about bouncing off of a few of them. This will push the guys on the outside off the fricken' road as you wedge yourself to the front.
Then jump.
Once one of the clowns follows you you either have a break or the whole thing will fall apart rapidly.
Actually I think it could be a hoot messing with these guys. Fish in a barrel.
02-03-09, 06:10 PM
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Their rolling roadblock also included jumping in front of the field and chopping a front wheel out. I know this for sure, cause I saw it happen just before we hit the deck.
Next time Ken tells me to keep hammering, I should listen.
Next time Ken tells me to keep hammering, I should listen.
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02-04-09, 06:07 AM
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I'm not saying it was intentional, just stupid.
02-04-09, 02:39 PM
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02-05-09, 12:39 PM
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Was this a road race or a crit? If a RR, I've personally seen moto's...encourage...the "blockaders" to get out of the way or get relegated. I'm sure its not legal, but frankly when you get neutralized for the women's cat 4 race, something is wrong...
