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Old 02-12-18, 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by wphamilton View Post
or distributing of:

(1) Agricultural produce;

(2) Meat and fish products; and

(3) Perishable foods.
I WAS missing something. This is removed from the passage under discussion, but I wonder why they added and there.

It's clearly a series, as denoted by the numbers, so no punctuation or conjunction is called for. In fact the and adds confusion because without it the syntax implies or. Adding and implies that only someone doing all three is exempted, rather than the (probably) intended any of them.
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Old 02-12-18, 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by FBinNY View Post
I WAS missing something. This is removed from the passage under discussion, but I wonder why they added and there.

It's clearly a series, as denoted by the numbers, so no punctuation or conjunction is called for. In fact the and adds confusion because without it the syntax implies or. Adding and implies that only someone doing all three is exempted, rather than the (probably) intended any of them.
Yeah, that's what I was whining about. Ironic isn't it, after all that trouble and money over a comma, then leaving that there to add confusion and maybe more litigation down the road.

I think we don't pick up on it at first because it makes no sense and we tend to gloss over it.
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Old 02-12-18, 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post
1 M in coma.. you are getting sleepy..
Or just checking ...

Originally Posted by wphamilton View Post

By the way, I do hate grammar and also spelling pedants, sometimes, but I do not hate grammar pedants.
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Since this is Foo, "His participle was dangling" is for Post a lie about the previous poster, Part II.
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Hanging participles are the direct results of one failing to appreciate the value of the lowly toilet paper roll's contribution to society especially in the cases of the unwashed masses.
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Old 02-12-18, 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by wphamilton View Post
Yeah, that's what I was whining about. Ironic isn't it, after all that trouble and money over a comma, then leaving that there to add confusion and maybe more litigation down the road.

I think we don't pick up on it at first because it makes no sense and we tend to gloss over it.
An old friend is a lawyer, who's been in practice since the late sixties mainly in real estate. He was very unhappy when cheap copies and word processing became SOP.

Before that most leases and many other contracts used Blumberg forms. Obviously these canned documents usually weren't exactly right, however two or three added clauses could cover all the necessary changes. The form also had the benefit of having been litigated to death over decades, so everybody knew them cold andthere were no traps or surprises.

Computer generated documents killed these off, and since then he'd have to read every word in a contract that another attorney presented to check for traps. At the same time, he had to devote time to checking his own offices work lest a type or grammatical create a loophole. So what used to be 10 minutes work for both sides, now was hours of niggling over tiny details to ensure that the contract said exactly what both parties thought it meant.

You would think that legislatures at all levels would hire legal clerks to read laws before they were submitted for passage to ensure that they actually said what was intended. But I guess not.
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Hanging participles are the direct results of one failing to appreciate the value of the lowly toilet paper roll's contribution to society especially in the cases of the unwashed masses.

I see ahsposo was slow
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Old 02-19-18, 11:47 AM
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A comma is the most versatile of all the punctuation marks. It can be critical at times or of very little importance. Since you can justify it either way, its almost impossible to use it incorrectly.
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Originally Posted by KraneXL View Post
A comma is the most versatile of all the punctuation marks. It can be critical at times or of very little importance. Since you can justify it either way, its almost impossible to use it incorrectly.
Aren't such justifications a willing suspension of disbelief or wonton disregard of OP's valid concerns, concerning the criticality of correct spelling, period...?
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Old 03-26-18, 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by mtb_addict View Post
I don't understand why they couldn't just ask the legislature member who wrote the law what they meant?

Or look at how the industry as a whole is interpretting the law?
We live in a country where the criminal justice system is based on "black latter law", meaning the law as written. It would be fine to ask the legislature to clarify the law, but a charged defendant is entitled to an interpretation where any ambiguity is interpreted in his favor.

A similar rule applies in civil law, where any ambiguity is interpreted against then interest of the one who wrote the contract.
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Originally Posted by mtb_addict View Post
I don't understand why they couldn't just ask the legislature member who wrote the law what they meant?

Or look at how the industry as a whole is interpreting the law?


I mean...use common sense.
It changes with time. Besides, they could be dead by now. In any event, the duty of interpreting the laws belongs to the judiciary.
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We live in a country where the criminal justice system is based on "black latter law", meaning the law as written. It would be fine to ask the legislature to clarify the law, but a charged defendant is entitled to an interpretation where any ambiguity is interpreted in his favor.

A similar rule applies in civil law, where any ambiguity is interpreted against then interest of the one who wrote the contract.
The criminal justice system is abysmal and was born out of oppression and slavery, and contains systemic problems throughout. It seriously needs to be rewritten from scratch.

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I'm the worst for sure.
Words just get messed up in my head. And I cant read long story's my mind wanders
Oh, man! That's funny.
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