Campagnolo Ergos QS vs BB
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Campagnolo Ergos QS vs BB
So I am looking to purchase used 10V ergos for a C&V build. I keep running into some strange descriptions. How many different versions of 10 speed ergos are there and how are they different?
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Several...and interoperability was such a problem, and Campagnolo never documented it publicly in an easy-to-reference manner...that you have to ask.
In the space of ten years of 10 speed...the techs to know were "BB", "Escape", "QS", and "Ultrashift" (v1), and "Ultrashift" (v2). The items in quotation are stamped on the shifter head for 10s.
All of which causes a tree-chart of incompatibilities which is very hard to keep straight. Which is why, in 2015, Campagnolo started stamping "A" and "C" and so on on the parts to denote compatibility....because this nightmare of product differentiation was very hard to keep straight in your head.
In the space of ten years of 10 speed...the techs to know were "BB", "Escape", "QS", and "Ultrashift" (v1), and "Ultrashift" (v2). The items in quotation are stamped on the shifter head for 10s.
- MY2000 "BB" or "Carbon BB" or "BB System" was the original 10s shifters in 2000, these were originally Chorus/Record tier only...later on they filtered down to Centaur I think?
- 2004...Xenon (bottom tier group)...debuted an abomination known as the "escape" shifter mechanism....no one liked it, and no one wanted it--but Campy pushed it anyway to differentiate product tiers and make incompatibility.
- 2007 QS AKA QuickShift...these changed the FD ratio and the ratchet on the left shifter. Also less lever travel I think. Also in MY2007, everything Centaur and below got that abomination Escape shift mechanism.
- 2009(A) Escape dies, thank goodness; "UltraShift". No more g-springs. Bushings to save money on the cheaper parts, weaker ratchet detents IIRC.
- 2009(B) 11 speed for Chorus/Record/Super-Record....Athena appears as the bottom-of-the-top-tiers groupset.
- 2009(C) is when spare parts got very hard to find, as only assemblies were listed in the parts catalog. IIRC?
- 2011....Athena 11s and Centaur 10s and below...get gimped shifters (only one up and 3-down; as opposed to before where you would downshift 3 gears and upshift all of them)
All of which causes a tree-chart of incompatibilities which is very hard to keep straight. Which is why, in 2015, Campagnolo started stamping "A" and "C" and so on on the parts to denote compatibility....because this nightmare of product differentiation was very hard to keep straight in your head.
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- 2009(A) Escape dies, thank goodness; "UltraShift". No more g-springs. Bushings to save money on the cheaper parts, weaker ratchet detents IIRC.
- 2009(B) 11 speed for Chorus/Record/Super-Record....Athena appears as the bottom-of-the-top-tiers groupset.
- 2009(C) is when spare parts got very hard to find, as only assemblies were listed in the parts catalog. IIRC?
- 2011....Athena 11s and Centaur 10s and below...get gimped shifters (only one up and 3-down; as opposed to before where you would downshift 3 gears and upshift all of them)
- 2010 right 10 speed Ultrashift levers got a new index disc with stiffer detents due to customer complaints in 2009
- 2015 the Ultrashift design changed
Athena 11 speed Ultrashift came with silver aluminum brake blades and shift paddles. One of the 10 speed groups came that way too; IIRC Centaur aluminum (my 2010 Veloce levers are black anodized, and Centaur Carbon are obviously carbon fiber).
IIRC, 2007 marked the transition to black anodizing on aluminum parts.
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10 Speed Campy qualifies as C&V????
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I love the wealth of knowledge on this forum. That's an amazingly detailed answer.
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