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Old 04-08-18, 12:19 PM
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Hetchins Duel

Got back from my group ride yesterday and this was happening in the back parking lot. Not something you see everyday. Well, not unless you frequent Creekside Bikes in Parker, Colorado.

Both are modern frames ordered from Hetchins

Red Hetchins was just finished for a regular customer and is fitted with '74 Campagnolo NR group. Drillium beautifully done by Drillium Revival.

The green Hetchins belongs to the owner of Creekside and has a modern Veloce group. Small differences in headtube, fork crown and downtube decals.

Curly stays for days...
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Old 04-08-18, 12:55 PM
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hoo baby! That's about 6 regular bikes worth of lugs!

I'm not sure where the "lugs and chrome" limit is, but these Hetchins M.O.'s are pretty close. Personally, I love it, especially with curly stays.

Any idea when these frames were built? There was some kerfufle (sp?) about who had the rights to the Hetchins name... about 10 or 15 years ago, I think.

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He said that the red one was just finished as a custom order, and the other one is also a new frame...

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For my part, I love everything about these bikes and am grateful that you shared them. My already excellent Sunday just got surprisingly better by being able to admire them!

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Excessive!

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I want a Hetchins in Black with Blue headtube and seat tube panels to match the Mallard record setting steam locomotive Blue, chrome lugs of course. Hellenic stays too.
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Holy crap, "to the death", fantastic duel!
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Nice bikes, but I know all about "drillium" and those chainrings are not representative of the real thing. There was no decoration, it was pure unadulterated folly. If it is done perfectly, or with any degree of embellishment, it's not legit.

Don't get me wrong, it's nice. But it should be a little awkward and uneven. It was basically up to a guy in a garage with a drill press, and a supply of marijuana cigarettes.
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Nice bling. I wonder what's up with the headset spacers?
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Well Drillium Revival represents the gold standard, not oldschool garage hack. He is highly revered for his excellent work and exceptional results. These are new builds and therefore not subject to the imperfect craftsmanship of back in the day. Suffice it to say this drillium is period for correct for the here and now.

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Nice bikes, but I know all about "drillium" and those chainrings are not representative of the real thing. There was no decoration, it was pure unadulterated folly. If it is done perfectly, or with any degree of embellishment, it's not legit.

Don't get me wrong, it's nice. But it should be a little awkward and uneven. It was basically up to a guy in a garage with a drill press, and a supply of marijuana cigarettes.
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I would bet that is the workaround for "old man back" or "I just want to be more upright" syndrome. Looks pretty good to me without all that bare, skinny quill sticking out (like mine are). Also leaves options for headset and stems down the road.

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Nice bling. I wonder what's up with the headset spacers?
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Originally Posted by jeirvine View Post
Nice bling. I wonder what's up with the headset spacers?
Yeah that makes me nervous.

If you're using extra fork threads to keep your stem's max height/min insert line buried, you might end up with the wedge/cone in the bottom of the threads, and that's a recipe for a busted steerer. That line was designed to keep the wedge/cone below the bottom of what could reasonably be expected to be the bottom of the threaded section. In other words, it is not to protect the stem as much as the steerer.

I'd recommend making good and sure by measuring that that stem's wedge is well and safely below the bottom of the fork threads. Sure would be a shame to have that fork crack open.

Really cool bikes, BTW!
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I think those are long Nitto stems with the min. insertion line well down in the steerer with spacers for aesthetic.

I doubt the shop owner and another premium build customer would commit such a faux pas.

Done safely I think its a good look for an unconventional workaround.

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Yeah that makes me nervous.

If you're using extra fork threads to keep your stem's max height/min insert line buried, you might end up with the wedge/cone in the bottom of the threads, and that's a recipe for a busted steerer. That line was designed to keep the wedge/cone below the bottom of what could reasonably be expected to be the bottom of the threaded section. In other words, it is not to protect the stem as much as the steerer.

I'd recommend making good and sure by measuring that that stem's wedge is well and safely below the bottom of the fork threads. Sure would be a shame to have that fork crack open.

Really cool bikes, BTW!
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Originally Posted by Erzulis Boat View Post
Nice bikes, but I know all about "drillium" and those chainrings are not representative of the real thing. There was no decoration, it was pure unadulterated folly. If it is done perfectly, or with any degree of embellishment, it's not legit.

Don't get me wrong, it's nice. But it should be a little awkward and uneven. It was basically up to a guy in a garage with a drill press, and a supply of marijuana cigarettes.

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the drilling is done for function and weight reduction. if drilling is
slightly off a rider would never be ble to feel it. you ride a bike with
your legs, not your eyes.
noone has ever won a Tour De France using their
eyes. this is not for old men trying to create a museum type bike that they
always wanted.
this is for a person to need to reduce weight and to be
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The red one sure is blinged out. Wow.

A few aesthetic things I would have done differently, namely spacers as mentioned and saddle/bar tape color choices, but that’s quite the build.
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Lovely bikes. Just lovely.

Color me jelly.
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I think the spacers are a unique attempt to recreate the tall headsets so common on Hetchins frames in the 1930s and '40s, using modern components.

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I think the spacers are a unique attempt to recreate the tall headsets so common on Hetchins frames in the 1930s and '40s, using modern components.
I like that idea, as long as it's done safely.

(Those Chater Lea headsets of course only need about a quarer inch of thread, and the headclip secures the stem in the steerer, no expander required.)
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Not sure to the exact reason behind the spacers but I can assure you they are safe and done correctly. This is THE premiere shop in Colorado and like someone mentioned above there is no way the owner would be using anything that wasn't safe and done exceptionally well.

With that being said, it is also worth noting that a lot of the bikes they sell do have numerous spacers albeit they're used with threadless stems. I've included some examples you can find in their shop at the moment. I want me a Pegoretti real bad

I know they pride themselves on bike fit and my assumption is that this is providing a slightly more upright and comfortable fit for the rider. Not really sure? I'd also say a fair number of their clients are getting up there in age. So I guess that would make sense in that regard.

Either way, enjoy the modern eye candy!
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Not sure to the exact reason behind the spacers but I can assure you they are safe and done correctly. This is THE premiere shop in Colorado and like someone mentioned above there is no way the owner would be using anything that wasn't safe and done exceptionally well.
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I know they pride themselves on bike fit and my assumption is that this is providing a slightly more upright and comfortable fit for the rider. Not really sure? I'd also say a fair number of their clients are getting up there in age. So I guess that would make sense in that regard.
I appreciate the reassurance. It is IME a less well-understood principle than perhaps it should be, so I was mainly making a general observation and warning about the matter for others' benefit, not casting aspersions on the shop or owner.
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Originally Posted by rideandgoseek View Post
With that being said, it is also worth noting that a lot of the bikes they sell do have numerous spacers albeit they're used with threadless stems...
Well that's standard procedure with uncut steer tubes on new forks. The spacers on a threaded headset is very unusual, hence my theory about mimicking the old-fashioned headsets.

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Those Nitto Technomic stems are 225mm long with a minimum insertion of 125mm, there is plenty of stem safely in the steerer on these. As I also said early on, this was a calculated fitting move, smartly done, looks good imho.
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Thanks to everyone for contributing comments. You've definitely spiked my interest around these spacers. I'll be sure to ask about them the next time I'm in and will report back!
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Nothing like a good debate to get us thinking. Here's an example from one of the best in the business, if he thinks it's ok, then it is ok.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/mapcyc...7627949086330/



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Thanks to everyone for contributing comments. You've definitely spiked my interest around these spacers. I'll be sure to ask about them the next time I'm in and will report back!

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Nothing like a good debate to get us thinking. Here's an example from one of the best in the business, if he thinks it's ok, then it is ok.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/mapcyc...n/photostream/

those Curtis Odom hubs are just crazy! They make a Hetchins M.O. look pretty tame.


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The hubs are cool no doubt, I was trying to show the headset spacer which I was finally able to do.

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those Curtis Odom hubs are just crazy! They make a Hetchins M.O. look pretty tame.


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