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My grail tourer doesn't fit!

Old 02-27-19, 12:07 AM
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My grail tourer doesn't fit!

I posted my 57cm '91 Miyata 1000 in the frame doesn't fit and didn't get a lotta responses. But I did find a forumite whos Miyata 60cm WOULD fit me, but his was too small for him, so he had no use for mine.
Then we came across another member with a Trek 720, that was too big for him, and we thought a triple swap was in the works, but it turns out my Miyata was to small for him.

So that leads me here, to a fresh thread.

If you have a grail/ high end production touring bike and you'd like to swap it for a same or similar, post it up.

I have a wonderful condition Miyata 1000 that is 57cm and one size too small. Although I can make it work with a riser stem I am...

Looking for a 60cm late 80s early 90s Miyata 1000LT.
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Great thread, thanks for starting this. This could get interesting.

I have:
1) 1983 TREK 720 - 25.5"
2) 1984 TREK 720 - 21"

I'm looking for:
1) TREK 720 - 22.5"
2) Cannondale ST1000 or ST800 - 23"
3) Miyata 1000 - 57cm
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as this will generate some interest in touring bikes here is a repeat of what I posted in craigslist finds




based on a query because of another post I focused on miyata 1000 and found these

this could be a deal hard to tell as person is unsure of size
https://monterey.craigslist.org/bik/...810382941.html

LT1000 Miyata - $400 (Pacific Grove)

Howdy there,

Im selling my classic LT1000 Miyata for 400$ OBO. Super clean bad ass bike and surely well kept. I havent gotten the time to put new tubes in the tires as its been a show piece for my place. Go ahead and send me a text and ill send some pictures! Please disregard the frame and tire size, im not sure how to measure them. Im 5'10 and its a nice firm large bike that fits my frame well.


And there is this

60cm Vintage 1983 Specialized Expedition Touring Road Bike ORIGINAL - $850

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/d/windsor-60cm-vintage-1983-specialized/6805159724.html

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Originally Posted by tarsi View Post
Great thread, thanks for starting this. This could get interesting.

I have:
1) 1983 TREK 720 - 25.5"
2) 1984 TREK 720 - 21"

I'm looking for:
1) TREK 720 - 22.5"
2) Cannondale ST1000 or ST800 - 23"
3) Miyata 1000 - 57cm
This is what I'm talking about! 👍
I have the 57cm Miyata that Tarsi is looking for, but his trades are too big or too small. So if anyone has the 61cm Miyata 1000LT they can trade it to me, then take my 57cm Miayat LT and trade it to Tarsi for a 21" or a 25.5" Trek 720.

Or trade your 61cm Miyata 1K LT to Tarsi for one of his Trek 720's and then he can trade for my Miyata that's in his size.

But these triple trades are near impossible to sort out if we don't have a thread a little more specific than the general "frame doesn't fit" catagory.
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I'm the one with the 60cm 1990 Miyata 1000LT Chr0m0ly referenced.

I'm not necessarily itching to get rid of it, but if a nice, quick, high-end sport touring bike around 62cm were to become available--especially one that can handle 32c tires plus fenders--I might have a hard time saying no. (The bike is to serve as a rando bike.) I could trade that to Chr0m0ly, who could trade his 57cm Miyata for the sport touring bike.

The Miyata is a little small for me. It's 60cm c-t with a 57cm top tube. Something like 62cm c-t would be better, with a top tube around 58cm.
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Google Worksheet

To simplify the process, I've created a Google Worksheet where members can enter their trade candidates as well as their lusted after dream bikes (see link below). If you are not comfortable working with spreadsheets and would rather enter the information directly in this thread I can transfer the information into the worksheet periodically. Please let me know if there is any additional information that would make it easier to identify these potential multi-party trade possibilities.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

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I hesitate to mention this because I don’t want to blur the focus, but what do you think about adding in other high end/grail/hard to find bikes that aren’t touring specific?

I ask because I’ve got a couple sportier bikes that are pretty hard to find. You think they should have a place here? I’m perfectly happy to trade them FOR a touring bike or sport tourer.
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Originally Posted by Chr0m0ly View Post
...what do you think about adding in other high end/grail/hard to find bikes that aren’t touring specific?


I think that's a great idea. I too have a few high end bikes that I may be interested in trading for a one of my dream touring bikes and there may be people out there where the reverse is true. Perhaps limit this thread/worksheet to Complete Bikes so as to not duplicate the "The Frame doesn't fit" thread?

Edit - I've renamed worksheet to "Grail/High-end/Hard-to-find Bikes for Trade", same URL: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

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It seems like the “Frame Doesn’t Fit” thread would benefit tremendously from a spreadsheet.

Maybe what we really need is a new “frame/bike doesn’t fit” thread with a spreadsheet at the top. Eh eh?
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Originally Posted by samkl View Post
Maybe what we really need is a new “frame/bike doesn’t fit” thread with a spreadsheet at the top. Eh eh?
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Added a contact and photo column to worksheet. Let me know what you guys think...

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...kE-3MiPc#gid=0
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Frameset only: 1975 Schwinn Voyageur II (made by Panasonic and the precursor to the '77 & '78 Volare) IIRC this is a 61cm.

Since I don't need any more bikes and I'm determined to N-1 as much as possible, I'll trade it for the cost of shipping and for freewheels (number to be negotiated). Unfortunately I don't have a better picture at the moment. It can take large tires 30mm+++ I also have the wheels, fenders and "Jim Blackburn" racks.

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Originally Posted by samkl View Post
It seems like the “Frame Doesn’t Fit” thread would benefit tremendously from a spreadsheet.

Maybe what we really need is a new “frame/bike doesn’t fit” thread with a spreadsheet at the top. Eh eh?
The old one has a spreadsheet in the first post. There are like, 6 bikes on it...
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Originally Posted by Chr0m0ly View Post
The old one has a spreadsheet in the first post. There are like, 6 bikes on it...
You're kidding, who would have known? I had no idea that sheet existed and apparently a lot of other members didn't either as the spreadsheet I created a few days ago currently has 13 bikes listed on it. I know for myself, I start to review posts in that thread from the bottom up. At a certain point I assume bikes/frames are no longer available based on date of posting and give up. I never make it to the top post so never knew that spreadsheet even existed.

Maybe the solution is a new thread pinned at the top with just a single post with the link to a spreadsheet? The thread should be locked to eliminate new replies that would bury the link. It sounds like the spreadsheet is a more efficient way of managing trade opportunities so there's got to be a way to encourage it's use vs the existing method, I'd think.
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Originally Posted by pastorbobnlnh View Post
Frameset only: 1975 Schwinn Voyageur II (made by Panasonic and the precursor to the '77 & '78 Volare) IIRC this is a 61cm.

Since I don't need any more bikes and I'm determined to N-1 as much as possible, I'll trade it for the cost of shipping and for freewheels (number to be negotiated). Unfortunately I don't have a better picture at the moment. It can take large tires 30mm+++ I also have the wheels, fenders and "Jim Blackburn" racks.

Bob, if that frame is truly a 61cm, c-t, I am interested. IIRC they were either 23" or 25" which is why I sold my orange World Voyageur, too small at 58cm/23"
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Originally Posted by pastorbobnlnh View Post
Frameset only: 1975 Schwinn Voyageur II (made by Panasonic and the precursor to the '77 & '78 Volare) IIRC this is a 61cm.

Since I don't need any more bikes and I'm determined to N-1 as much as possible, I'll trade it for the cost of shipping and for freewheels (number to be negotiated). Unfortunately I don't have a better picture at the moment. It can take large tires 30mm+++ I also have the wheels, fenders and "Jim Blackburn" racks.

May I please be next in line? Definitely a grail tourer for me.
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I’ve got a couple 56cm options (slightly too large for me):
- 1984 Trek 520 complete bike, good shape, looks mostly original. I used it as a commuter and fast weekend trainer. Very nimble frame despite the touring geometry.
- 1992 Trek 790, f&f only, but can probably reassemble if interest is there. This was a grail bike for me as I wanted to make a drop bar gravel tourer and this offered Trek’s top of the line frame — USA made, chromoly, and lugged. In a gorgeous pearl blue. Took me ages to find. Unfortunately, frame is too large. It’s listed as a 21”, but the hybrids of that era were sized differently. Effective top tube is roughly 56/57.


I’m interested in 80s tourers in 54/55cm (21”) sizing, such as post-1982 Trek 720 cantilever tourer (already have the center-pull 1982 model) or 1984 univega specialissima. I prefer a frame swap, but open to possibilities.

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II’m interested in 80s tourers in 54/55cm (21”) sizing, such as post-1982 Trek 720 cantilever tourer (already have the center-pull 1982 model) or 1984 univega specialissima. I prefer a frame swap, but open to possibilities.
I have some 21" frames listed in the online spreadsheet (see link below). While there, add your bikes and what you're looking for so everything is in one location.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...kE-3MiPc#gid=0
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@fender1 and @machinist42 so sorry about the slow response. I'm away on vacation and not been on BF for the past 3-4 days.

When I return March 16 I'll take better measurements. However, I can confirm it is not a 23" because it is larger than my 24"/60cm '71 P-13 Paramount. So it must be the 25" Voyageur II. The paint is not in the best shape, but it is fully chromed underneath and therefore with the silver paint it is not very noticeable. Thanks for your interest and I'll be back in touch after I return.
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This is an "are you looking" post but it fits in here I believe.


https://madison.craigslist.org/bik/d...846992764.html

"1987 Schwinn Voyageur with lugged/double butted Columbus Tenax frame made in Japan. Nitto Rando bars, SunTour Ratchet shifters, Dia-Compe cantilever brakes, new Panaracer Pasela 700x32C tires, Cascadia full wrap fenders, Nitto Technomic Stem. 63cm CTT, would fit someone 5'11" to 6'3". Great commuter for Madison or load it up and tour Wisconsin's driftless region."
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‘85 23.5” Pro Tour 15

Univega Specialissima 58cm


both here: https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...t-ii-2187.html
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This is too new i know but i have a 98 volpe ff in 58cm with brakes, headset, bb and seatpost free for postage.
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Originally Posted by tarsi View Post
Added a contact and photo column to worksheet. Let me know what you guys think...

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...kE-3MiPc#gid=0
Great job and thanks for doing this.
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One at local co-op

I have been eyeing a 1000LT at my local co-op for a year that is too large for me: looks like a 60cm. Very nice shape. I am not sure of the year but it has downtube shifters and no midfork brazeons. Priced at $275 and I keep waiting for it to shrink to 56-57 to fit me.
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This is too new i know but i have a 98 volpe ff in 58cm with brakes, headset, bb and seatpost free for postage.
That's a swell offer. I even thought about doing something crazy like taking you up on this offer,
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