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Old 08-09-19, 08:28 AM
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Another very satisfied Honda Fit owner here. Owned since new in 2011, I've done many road trips with bikes in it to Montana, Oregon, Arizona, and California.
Super reliable, fun to drive, and economical.

(2) 60cm sized bikes w/o fenders, front wheels removed fit upright in the back with seats folded flat. A 3rd bike will fit upside down in between the two if you remove both wheels from the bike.

Fold down rear seats for 2 bikes by NBend, on Flickr

(1) bike fits upright behind the drivers seat with back seat folded up. (Preserves trunk space)

Fold up rear seats for 1 bike by NBend, on Flickr

One fendered bike will squeeze in the back with rear seats folded down but usually if I travel with fendered bikes, I'll take our 2018 Honda CRV. I can lay 60 cm fendered bikes flat in the back with the seats folded down. Blankets between bikes to protect their finishes.
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Originally Posted by FiftySix View Post
If looking for a used car, a Mazda 5 minivan will hold a bike inside with the rear seats folded down. It's a Japanese/Euro sized minivan with 4 cylinder engine, not an American sized minivan.

I have a 2013 model and have carried 4 different bicycles inside of it one at a time. You could lay two inside by removing front wheels, etc. and separating them with padded moving blankets.

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(Interior view with rear 4 seats folded down and homemade cargo board added)



Probably the best of the used options. I have 2 2008s. On mine you can stow the 2nd row console, remove a 2nd row headrest and put 1 bike in without folding any seats or taking wheels off.(at least up to 56cm) It goes in at an angle with the front wheel between the 2nd row seats. Nothing beats having the sliding glass doors either. I actually hauled some 96" T12 bulbs last night without folding anything.
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Originally Posted by Kent T View Post
Ford Transit Connect minivan. Basically a tall small car. Enough room with a first generation to haul several bikes without issues, no removal of front wheels needed, and plenty of front seat room. Can be had with a tall enough roof easily.
These seem like the obvious choice. They have a 1000lb payload capacity. They are aimed at the empty nester and entrepreneur market. But, they have been plagued with transmission problems that start around 60k. They got a new 8 speed transmission this year. Maybe it will prove reliable. I plan on replacing one of the 5s with one of these. Just waiting for the shifting problems to be worked out as well as a more powerful engine. That's a Ford for you. You know the old sayings. FORD stands for:

Found On Road Dead
Fixed Or Repaired Dodge

Of course the Ford fans say:

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With more space than a Golf or GTI, and cheaper than the newer Golf Sportwagen in the the Jetta Sportwagen. Made from 2009 to like 2014. Holds most any size bike with the wheels on. Plus there is that roof rack.




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Originally Posted by seypat View Post
Probably the best of the used options. I have 2 2008s. On mine you can stow the 2nd row console, remove a 2nd row headrest and put 1 bike in without folding any seats or taking wheels off.(at least up to 56cm) It goes in at an angle with the front wheel between the 2nd row seats. Nothing beats having the sliding glass doors either. I actually hauled some 96" T12 bulbs last night without folding anything.
A couple of issues on the 2nd gen 2004-20010 Mazda 5 if you are looking. Both are relatively easily solved.

They had problems around 2008-9 with the passenger side liquid filled motor mount breaking. Both of mine had this problem. The one with higher mileage did break. I replaced the part on both at the same time. The mount on the 2nd one was beginning to break at 72k when I replaced it. A replacement can be bought for around $30 on the A-Mo-zon. The replacement is easy with no special tools needed. Takes about 10 minutes. There are videos online.

They also had tire mileage/durability issues due to the camber settings on the rear suspension. The factory camber arms were not adjustable. Replace the arms with an adjustable set, realign and the problem is solved. The parts are less than $100 and the job is easy. Videos are online. Other than that, a good vehicle.

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Old 08-09-19, 10:31 AM
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My 2007 Prius will hold two bikes if I take the wheels off and it gets 50 miles to the gallon.
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Old 08-09-19, 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by seypat View Post
A couple of issues on the 2nd gen 2004-20010 Mazda 5 if you are looking. Both are relatively easily solved.

They had problems around 2008-9 with the passenger side liquid filled motor mount breaking. Both of mine had this problem. The one with higher mileage did break. I replaced the part on both at the same time. The mount on the 2nd one was beginning to break at 72k when I replaced it. A replacement can be bought for around $30 on the A-Mo-zon. The replacement is easy with no special tools needed. Takes about 10 minutes. There are videos online.

They also had tire mileage/durability issues due to the camber settings on the rear suspension. The factory camber arms were not adjustable. Replace the arms with an adjustable set, realign and the problem is solved. The parts are less than $100 and the job is easy. Videos are online. Other than that, a good vehicle.
I've got 103,000 miles on my 2013 Mazda 5 with the original motor mounts, so Mazda must have made some changes.

My wife's (now stepdaughter's) 2008 Honda Civic coupe is a motor mount busting machine. I've replaced the upper mount with torque link at least 5 times, and the transmission mount 2 times and the car has 150,000 miles on it. Just three weeks ago, I changed the upper mount, lower mount, transmission mount, and torque link all at the same time.

Back to the Mazda 5, I did replace the rear upper control arms with the adjustable variety just over two years ago. Mazda should have done that, or put in stronger rear springs from the factory, but they didn't.

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Originally Posted by FiftySix View Post
I've got 103,000 miles on my 2013 Mazda 5 with the original motor mounts, so Mazda must have made some changes.

My wife's (now stepdaughter's) 2008 Honda Civic coupe is a motor mount busting machine. I've replaced the upper mount with torque link at least 5 times, and the transmission mount 2 times and the car has 150,000 miles on it. Just three weeks ago, I changed the upper mount, lower mount, transmission mount, and torque link all at the same time.

Back to the Mazda 5, I did replace the rear upper control arms with the adjustable variety just over two years ago. Mazda should have done that, or put in stronger rear springs from the factory, but they didn't.

When I replaced the motor mount on the 5's, I replaced all 3 mounts as well. Now I keep a watch on the passenger side mount. The 5s are really versatile vehicles and fun to drive. They do need more power. I was so disappointed when they were discontinued. If they would have offered it with the Speed 3 engine, what a sleeper it would have been! I have 131k miles on one and 82k on the other. The high mileage one is used as a delivery vehicle at my business. I'll keep driving it until they get the transmission problems worked out with the little Ford Transit Connect.

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Old 08-09-19, 11:49 AM
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I currently just use my Accord sedan and take the wheels off.

I can easily fit 2 like this and 3 should be easy enough as there is still room on the seat. Drop bars are a little more difficult to fit, but they can be tetris'ed in. Plus there is the trunk space. For 1 bike, I usually just put the back seat down and only remove the front wheel.

I am planning on a hatchback to replace it, but their is no reason at the moment. I was looking at a Civic or Impreza hatch, will likely get the Civic as this Accord has no major issues in the last 16 years.
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I haven't seen mention of the Nissan Cube yet, so I'll mention it. I can fit a couple of bikes in there with the front wheel off. I now have a strappy hanger on the back, so bikes stay out, but it's cavernous inside. I once got a full size door home with it packed inside. When we lived in San Francisco, it was ideal for city parking. I see now that it's been discontinued in the US, not sure what the used market is like. We got the ultra-cheapo version with the manual transmission, and I plan to drive it till it dies.
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Honda Element, if you can find a nice one. I have an SC, love it. Two bikes upright with little effort.
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Originally Posted by jiangshi View Post
Honda Element, if you can find a nice one. I have an SC, love it. Two bikes upright with little effort.
Hot commodity around these parts. Over 200K miles will still get you $4K. 100K miles will get you $8K.
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Old 08-09-19, 04:24 PM
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Going a little far afield, in the 70's we had a Ford Econoline stretched body w/o side windows that we used for our shop van. We could fit 7-8 bikes standing upright in the rear plus 7 riders uncomfortably, 8 for a short trip.

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2001 Forester. Two on top and I still have tons of space inside with the rear seat folded. Easily carry a couple of bikes even with both wheels on.

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Volvo 940T vs. Subaru Forester

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2001 Forester. Two on top and I still have tons of space inside with the rear seat folded. Easily carry a couple of bikes even with both wheels on.

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Nice rig. Is that a Specialized bike rack?
@Brad L too.

I had over 250k on my 1992 Volvo 940T wagon. I used it primarily for schlepping bikes around. Could easily fit 2 with the wheels on and the back seat down.

One afternoon about 3 years ago, my neighbor called and said she just saw my Volvo roll down the street. Apparently some idiot broke in and tried to steal the radio out of a 24 year old car.

When they released the parking brake and forced the shift lever out of park to get to the radio, the car started drifting backwards down the hill. They must have jumped out leaving the right side door open. It came to a stop when it ran into another neighbors car. The door was bent back over 120° and the door frame was twisted too. Time to put old Paint down...



The reason I mention this is while the Volvo was a much bigger car than my 1999 Subaru Forester, the rear cargo space with the seats down is the same. Optical illusion!

Several nice things about having bikes inside a car is they are less likely to be stolen by a thief in a hurry plus you don't have to worry about them getting wet if it starts to rain.

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Yes, they are cool.

I went through a string of these in the late 70's, as well as TR-6s.

In fact, our neighbor owns one of my GTs. Pale yellow, wire wheels etc.

However, I must also note that these were among the least reliable autos I've yet to own.

Just miserable little beasts. They loved to strand me in the middle of nowhere on a regular basis.

Luckily they were light and easy to push start. I always tried to park on hills where possible.
Been there, done that.
Blue with white stripes and top.
$2500 in 1980.
$2500 more and it still wouldn't go into reverse.
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Originally Posted by verktyg View Post
Nice rig. Is that a Specialized bike rack?


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Actually more like a Yakima with Specialized decals.
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I'm actually thinking of tracking down a first-generation Honda Odyssey. Crazy cheap, easy to find in good shape, 25+ MPG and built on the early 90's Honda Accord platform, probably the most reliable car in automotive history. I'll have to check one out, to make sure there's enough room for me to car-camp comfortably (sleeping on the floor with middle and back seats removed). I think it'd be a pretty spacious bike hauler, too.

Problem is, I'd then have to get rid of my early 90's Accord, and it's barely broken in with 304,000 miles.
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1967 MGB GT. Sure, you’ll have to get a roof rack to haul bikes, but just look at that thing. Dang.

Runner-up: 1973 Volvo P1800 ES “Sport Wagon.”
I agree, though I'd reverse the order.
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Hot commodity around these parts. Over 200K miles will still get you $4K. 100K miles will get you $8K.
Ellen has been on the lookout for awhile. Still no joy in Mudville.
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The dreaded (and unsexy) minivans can hold two plus bikes inside with the front wheels off...use a fork/axle rack mounted on a piece of 8x10 the width of the rear shelf. I carry one of my bikes on trips in this manner all the time. Lots of extra interior room for luggage and gear too.
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Originally Posted by jiangshi View Post
Honda Element, if you can find a nice one. I have an SC, love it. Two bikes upright with little effort.
I'd take one of those in a heartbeat for our youngest son if I could find one.

Honda should return this model to the market with a similar design. I wonder what their sales numbers looked like when it was discontinued?
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Brit Beasts

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1967 MGB GT. Sure, you’ll have to get a roof rack to haul bikes, but just look at that thing. Dang.
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Been there, done that.
Blue with white stripes and top.
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$2500 more and it still wouldn't go into reverse.
You guys are SICK!

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Originally Posted by gomango View Post
Honda should return this model to the market with a similar design.
Particularly in this day of "we only sell trucks and SUVs."
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I wonder what their sales numbers looked like when it was discontinued?
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