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08-06-20, 12:04 PM
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On their web site, the map for the North American distributor is A.bbotsford, Canada, Canada, so I stand corrected... no USA distributor that I'm aware of.
08-06-20, 12:45 PM
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Thanks for the info. I asked LB yesterday what their shipping times are from China currently.
This is the response
"Due to Covid-19 situation, there are few flights. So, we have below two deliveries for your reference.
DHL/Fedex: USD250 for one wheelset , 7~10 days roughly for delivery.
EMS plus delivery: around USD114 for one wheelset, around 12~15 days roughly for delivery.
Standard delivery: USD35 for one wheelset, 20~25 days roughly for delivery.It is a multimodal transport emergency lane, tax included."
Good to know that we are able to avoid the stupid tRump tariff.
This is the response
"Due to Covid-19 situation, there are few flights. So, we have below two deliveries for your reference.
DHL/Fedex: USD250 for one wheelset , 7~10 days roughly for delivery.
EMS plus delivery: around USD114 for one wheelset, around 12~15 days roughly for delivery.
Standard delivery: USD35 for one wheelset, 20~25 days roughly for delivery.It is a multimodal transport emergency lane, tax included."
Good to know that we are able to avoid the stupid tRump tariff.
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08-06-20, 02:38 PM
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They took Paypal...and I cannot remember if I did funds transfer or VISA; but it was like 5% the sale price. It showed up on my statement as 'ISC (BLAH BLAH BLAH" I think...I thought it was fraud and called my bank, they explained that it was a normal international surcharge, due to the billing address being across international borders. The bank also said that if I had used the other method of payment I'd not have been charged.
I cannot remember how I billed it to my PayPal, I think I put it on my VISA 'just in case'; hence the charge....whereas a funds transfer wouldn't have been dinged. Ask your bank or Light Bicycle to be sure.
I cannot remember how I billed it to my PayPal, I think I put it on my VISA 'just in case'; hence the charge....whereas a funds transfer wouldn't have been dinged. Ask your bank or Light Bicycle to be sure.
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08-07-20, 11:21 AM
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This is an old post, I know. I tried the LB pads, but had much better performance with the Swisstop Black Prince pads. Except of course, in the rain. Carbon wheels, rim breaks, and rain are a lousy combination, no matter what.
My new wheels are for a disk break bike. Yeah....
My new wheels are for a disk break bike. Yeah....
08-07-20, 08:51 PM
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08-12-20, 09:41 PM
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Hi Guys,
I got a set of 56mm disc wheels over a year ago, and love them. Now looking at some rim brake sets in 46mm.
What is the experience generally with the braking track? Is the graphene thingie worth the extra 30 dollars?
I got a set of 56mm disc wheels over a year ago, and love them. Now looking at some rim brake sets in 46mm.
What is the experience generally with the braking track? Is the graphene thingie worth the extra 30 dollars?
08-12-20, 10:10 PM
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I have the graphene track and have done some crazy descending in absolute downpours. If you search the thread you’ll see my impressions. But basically, with Black Prince pads, it’s workable in the wet, which is more than can be said about some other brake tracks. My buddy has Farsports with a super slick brake track. He can ride uphill with the brakes on in the wet. He also descends like a demon - out of necessity.
The main downside with the grooves is that is SHREDS the pads if you press hard and in the wet, it feels a lot like nothing-nothing-GRAB, which can be scary if you don’t have a lot of grip to work with. Kiss any semblance of fine modulation goodbye.
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08-12-20, 11:20 PM
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Unfortunately, you won’t find many people who have experience with both the smooth track and the graphene track.
I have the graphene track and have done some crazy descending in absolute downpours. If you search the thread you’ll see my impressions. But basically, with Black Prince pads, it’s workable in the wet, which is more than can be said about some other brake tracks. My buddy has Farsports with a super slick brake track. He can ride uphill with the brakes on in the wet. He also descends like a demon - out of necessity.
The main downside with the grooves is that is SHREDS the pads if you press hard and in the wet, it feels a lot like nothing-nothing-GRAB, which can be scary if you don’t have a lot of grip to work with. Kiss any semblance of fine modulation goodbye.
I have the graphene track and have done some crazy descending in absolute downpours. If you search the thread you’ll see my impressions. But basically, with Black Prince pads, it’s workable in the wet, which is more than can be said about some other brake tracks. My buddy has Farsports with a super slick brake track. He can ride uphill with the brakes on in the wet. He also descends like a demon - out of necessity.
The main downside with the grooves is that is SHREDS the pads if you press hard and in the wet, it feels a lot like nothing-nothing-GRAB, which can be scary if you don’t have a lot of grip to work with. Kiss any semblance of fine modulation goodbye.
08-12-20, 11:22 PM
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No pads from LB but some people seem to like them. Swisstop Black Prince are pricey but popular pads. They are quite soft. It’s pretty much a necessary tradeoff to get solid bite.
08-12-20, 11:36 PM
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Are these the pads that most of you guys recommend/use? And, these would be better than what LB provide?
https://www.bike24.com/p28897.html?q=swissstop%20carbon
https://www.bike24.com/p28897.html?q=swissstop%20carbon
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08-13-20, 08:02 AM
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My set of 56mm rim brakes have some 3000km now, been ridden in hills a lot, braking tracks look almost like new, just slightly "polished/brighter".
When the are very hot they can do squeak/whistle if you brake hard/long, but will work fine. The limiting factor is still not braking harder cuz I'd fly over the bars, so they brake better than I can actually use.
The brake pads are the ones that came with it, LB blue pads. No sign of wear, they just look a bit "dirty", darker blue where it touches the rim.
I use mtb rim tape by SunRingle (what lbs had) 21mm wide (I would have tried wider but lbs had 21mm only so whatever), with 25mm GP5k tubeless tire, zero sealant. Hard to fit but doable with plastic levers. They measure 29mm wide inflated.
Bitex hubs are going strong.
Thats it guys, just buy those babies, they are great. Fast light strong cheap and beautiful, plus crosswinds aren't a concern eventhough I'm light. I only use those now full time, the old Zipps are gone, climbing wheels are gone, 32spoke training wheels are gone. What else could I want?
When the are very hot they can do squeak/whistle if you brake hard/long, but will work fine. The limiting factor is still not braking harder cuz I'd fly over the bars, so they brake better than I can actually use.
The brake pads are the ones that came with it, LB blue pads. No sign of wear, they just look a bit "dirty", darker blue where it touches the rim.
I use mtb rim tape by SunRingle (what lbs had) 21mm wide (I would have tried wider but lbs had 21mm only so whatever), with 25mm GP5k tubeless tire, zero sealant. Hard to fit but doable with plastic levers. They measure 29mm wide inflated.
Bitex hubs are going strong.
Thats it guys, just buy those babies, they are great. Fast light strong cheap and beautiful, plus crosswinds aren't a concern eventhough I'm light. I only use those now full time, the old Zipps are gone, climbing wheels are gone, 32spoke training wheels are gone. What else could I want?
Edit: I saw you answered that a few posts on.
I have the 56 in disc versions, and now want to buy in rim versions. 30mm will not fit my [current Sram - going to r8000] calipers. Would you suggest I go with the 46 deep 28mm wide, or the 55 deep 25mm wide?
08-13-20, 08:11 AM
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08-13-20, 08:48 AM
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Don’t worry about that too much unless you’re doing a TT or something. The difference in drag between a 25mm tire and a 28mm tire will be a couple watts at 30mph on the 56 or even 46 rim, assuming you go for a narrower 28 like the GP5k or Schwalbe Pro One Addix. Even a Vittoria Corsa 28 will be fine. If you want a 28mm tire, get a 28mm tire.
That being said, if you have rim brakes, that might be tough. The new gen Shimano brakes have (almost) no trouble fitting the 56 rims (the brake pads will initially be at an angle), and definitely no issues with the 46 rims. A narrower 28 on the 46 will be doable, a narrower 28 on the 56 will be cutting it close and a fatter 28 on the 56 will probably be too much, depending on how your brake is mounted.
What bike do you have? What is the stated tire clearance for it? Usually rears have more clearance so you could go for a 25/28 combo, which is the best of both worlds.
That being said, if you have rim brakes, that might be tough. The new gen Shimano brakes have (almost) no trouble fitting the 56 rims (the brake pads will initially be at an angle), and definitely no issues with the 46 rims. A narrower 28 on the 46 will be doable, a narrower 28 on the 56 will be cutting it close and a fatter 28 on the 56 will probably be too much, depending on how your brake is mounted.
What bike do you have? What is the stated tire clearance for it? Usually rears have more clearance so you could go for a 25/28 combo, which is the best of both worlds.
08-13-20, 09:00 AM
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Overall context is important also though.. basically LB offers Pillar aero spokes vs CXRays.. The cost difference is $35 for a 20/24 wheelset, which in turn is somewhere in the neighborhood of adding 5% to an overall wheelset price. Some of the language that these are only for those where money is no object or 4-5x the cost etc. is a bit strong IMO.
Are the Pillar aero decent?
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08-13-20, 09:45 AM
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Just finished reading thru [again] this entire thread.
So, a few questions. Getting a couple of wheelsets for wife's and my old rim brake bikes. They have Rival calipers, but looking to upgrade to Di2 with r8000 calipers. Though, as that will happen only when travel opens, I need wheels that will work with current calipers too.
I think 28s should work. 30mm will not. So, first question, should I go with the 28mm 46 depth, or the 25mm 55 depth[ the older rims I think?].
Second, our forks look like this. I think it's matt 3k weave? I was originally thinking of UD, like I got for my earlier 56mm wheelset, but now wondering if matt 3k would go better? Thoughts?
So, a few questions. Getting a couple of wheelsets for wife's and my old rim brake bikes. They have Rival calipers, but looking to upgrade to Di2 with r8000 calipers. Though, as that will happen only when travel opens, I need wheels that will work with current calipers too.
I think 28s should work. 30mm will not. So, first question, should I go with the 28mm 46 depth, or the 25mm 55 depth[ the older rims I think?].
Second, our forks look like this. I think it's matt 3k weave? I was originally thinking of UD, like I got for my earlier 56mm wheelset, but now wondering if matt 3k would go better? Thoughts?
08-13-20, 09:47 AM
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Good question... I don't know. When you go through LB's global wheel builder for the WR50's, the only Finish option you get is "paintless" and for Weave you get "UD" or "3k Twill Vertical". I don't think the 3K Twill is "paintless" as I've seen pictures of other's wheels that are truly paintless with the UD weave and the finish looks very different.
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08-14-20, 07:37 AM
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I know it's an old post, but what calipers with those 30mm wide rims? I just checked and neither SRAM nor Shimano go beyond 28?
Edit: I saw you answered that a few posts on.
I have the 56 in disc versions, and now want to buy in rim versions. 30mm will not fit my [current Sram - going to r8000] calipers. Would you suggest I go with the 46 deep 28mm wide, or the 55 deep 25mm wide?
Edit: I saw you answered that a few posts on.
I have the 56 in disc versions, and now want to buy in rim versions. 30mm will not fit my [current Sram - going to r8000] calipers. Would you suggest I go with the 46 deep 28mm wide, or the 55 deep 25mm wide?
As for rim choice, I got these based on Hambini's wind tunnel test (plus good reviews). I know the older 55 dont follow a similar profile and dont look as aero. The 46x28 look the same proportion, so between those two I'd get the 46.
Just remember that for a rim to be actually aero the tire has to be at the very least 5% narrower than the brake track when inflated. Better if 10%~. So on the 48x28 you install a 23mm and it will widen to 25~26 (the inner width is 21mm if I remember right). I know my gp25mm measure 29mm on and they are already a bit too wide for the 56s (that actually measure 30.4 if I remember right). Plus those 46 and 56 have inner bead hooks good for tubeless. This is more important to the front tire.
The inner width on the 55x25 rim is probably 17 so a 23mm tire should measure actually 23, but in case they are too wide you will be locked to old 22mm Conti Attacks. I wouldnt get those. 46 or 56.
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08-14-20, 07:38 AM
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I know it's an old post, but what calipers with those 30mm wide rims? I just checked and neither SRAM nor Shimano go beyond 28?
Edit: I saw you answered that a few posts on.
I have the 56 in disc versions, and now want to buy in rim versions. 30mm will not fit my [current Sram - going to r8000] calipers. Would you suggest I go with the 46 deep 28mm wide, or the 55 deep 25mm wide?
Edit: I saw you answered that a few posts on.
I have the 56 in disc versions, and now want to buy in rim versions. 30mm will not fit my [current Sram - going to r8000] calipers. Would you suggest I go with the 46 deep 28mm wide, or the 55 deep 25mm wide?
As for rim choice, I got these based on Hambini's wind tunnel test (plus good reviews). I know the older 55 dont follow a similar profile and dont look as aero. The 46x28 look the same proportion, so between those two I'd get the 46.
Just remember that for a rim to be actually aero the tire has to be at the very least 5% narrower than the brake track when inflated. Better if 10%~. So on the 48x28 you install a 23mm and it will widen to 25~26 (the inner width is 21mm if I remember right). I know my gp25mm measure 29mm on and they are already a bit too wide for the 56s (that actually measure 30.4 if I remember right). Plus those 46 and 56 have inner bead hooks good for tubeless. This is more important to the front tire.
The inner width on the 55x25 rim is probably 17 so a 23mm tire should measure actually 23, but in case they are too wide you will be locked to old 22mm Conti Attacks. I wouldnt get those. 46 or 56.
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08-15-20, 08:45 AM
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Thanks Ericoschmitt
Guys,
Between the Bitex RAR9 and the Novatec F482sb-sl, which would you choose? I am sure that the Bitex can be converted to SRAM 12s, but not sure about the Novatec. I see XRD freehubs for the Novatec on Aliexpress, but not on the Novatec site. Bitex shows the XDR freehub on the RAR9 page itself.
EDIT. Novatec also is xdr comaptible
https://bdopcycling.com/product/f482sb-11/
Guys,
Between the Bitex RAR9 and the Novatec F482sb-sl, which would you choose? I am sure that the Bitex can be converted to SRAM 12s, but not sure about the Novatec. I see XRD freehubs for the Novatec on Aliexpress, but not on the Novatec site. Bitex shows the XDR freehub on the RAR9 page itself.
EDIT. Novatec also is xdr comaptible
https://bdopcycling.com/product/f482sb-11/
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08-15-20, 09:44 AM
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So, Graphene track or regular? On WW some guys are saying that dry braking is actually better with regular tracks, and I rarely ride in rain.
