Mountain Bike for Commuting
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Mountain Bike for Commuting
I've been posting over in the Hybrid forum because I'm in the market for a new bike. I'm a road bike rider primarily and looking for a commuter/all-arounder.
Now that warmer weather is coming, this year I have vowed to use my car as little as possible. So I will be commuting to work, running errands, grocery shopping and stuff like that with this new bike.
I'm still debating the front suspension or not (like a Trek DS), but came across the Giant Talon 3. It's basically a hybrid with a bit more travel in the fork and wider tire, but labeled as a mountain bike.
Does anyone commute on a mountain bike? If so, does it slow you down, or do you have to work harder to get where you're going? I'm thinking it would get a soft ride, be sturdy enough to handle anything, and versatile. My commute is 8 miles one way, some small hills, and paved. Although the roads are in bad shape. For running errands and stuff like that, I'm in a small town so everything is within a mile or two.
Now that warmer weather is coming, this year I have vowed to use my car as little as possible. So I will be commuting to work, running errands, grocery shopping and stuff like that with this new bike.
I'm still debating the front suspension or not (like a Trek DS), but came across the Giant Talon 3. It's basically a hybrid with a bit more travel in the fork and wider tire, but labeled as a mountain bike.
Does anyone commute on a mountain bike? If so, does it slow you down, or do you have to work harder to get where you're going? I'm thinking it would get a soft ride, be sturdy enough to handle anything, and versatile. My commute is 8 miles one way, some small hills, and paved. Although the roads are in bad shape. For running errands and stuff like that, I'm in a small town so everything is within a mile or two.
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I wanted a modern trail hard tail mountain bike that would still take racks and tow a trailer. I have kids, you see... so I sold my full suspension bike last spring and I picked a Salsa Timberjack NX in 2018. It’s modern geometry and can take racks, droppers, and different kinds of hubs. That model in particular had a QR 141 hub so it can clamp a trailer hitch like normal, but with option parts from Salsa it can take thru axle 142 or 148 hubs. It carries a standard rack but awkwardly, the Salsa racks are better for it. So I barely ever used it with a kid seat like I intended, also because they’re twins so the trailer works better. Salsa is sold at REI and they ship to store for assembly. Prices went up on Timberjacks this model year due to SRAM Eagle and dropper posts.
I also compared Surly Karate Monkey... it was rigid plus last year, but I just missed the orange color I wanted, only black was in stock. This year it has a suspension fork, a good one. Surly Krampus contended but couldn’t take the rack over the huge wheel. Also shopped Trek Roscoe, limited in hubs but takes standard racks, and Marin Pine Mountain. The Roscoe was out of stock nationwide but I confirmed on a nearly same or identical X-Caliber frame the rack and hitch would work normally. I did test ride the X Caliber but it felt sort of old fashioned with its shorter handlebars and longer stem. The Pine Mountain wouldn’t take a dropper and carried its rack pretty high.
The common thread here is these are all very versatile frames that can be 29ers or 27.5+ and built for either grinding or shredding, but they are all 100% mountain bikes. The modern take on a 90’s MTB.
I also compared Surly Karate Monkey... it was rigid plus last year, but I just missed the orange color I wanted, only black was in stock. This year it has a suspension fork, a good one. Surly Krampus contended but couldn’t take the rack over the huge wheel. Also shopped Trek Roscoe, limited in hubs but takes standard racks, and Marin Pine Mountain. The Roscoe was out of stock nationwide but I confirmed on a nearly same or identical X-Caliber frame the rack and hitch would work normally. I did test ride the X Caliber but it felt sort of old fashioned with its shorter handlebars and longer stem. The Pine Mountain wouldn’t take a dropper and carried its rack pretty high.
The common thread here is these are all very versatile frames that can be 29ers or 27.5+ and built for either grinding or shredding, but they are all 100% mountain bikes. The modern take on a 90’s MTB.
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I'm still debating the front suspension or not (like a Trek DS), but came across the Giant Talon 3. It's basically a hybrid with a bit more travel in the fork and wider tire, but labeled as a mountain bike.
Does anyone commute on a mountain bike? If so, does it slow you down, or do you have to work harder to get where you're going? I'm thinking it would get a soft ride, be sturdy enough to handle anything, and versatile. My commute is 8 miles one way, some small hills, and paved. Although the roads are in bad shape. For running errands and stuff like that, I'm in a small town so everything is within a mile or two.
Does anyone commute on a mountain bike? If so, does it slow you down, or do you have to work harder to get where you're going? I'm thinking it would get a soft ride, be sturdy enough to handle anything, and versatile. My commute is 8 miles one way, some small hills, and paved. Although the roads are in bad shape. For running errands and stuff like that, I'm in a small town so everything is within a mile or two.
For the 8 mile commute though that's another story.
I'd say you probably won't need the mountain bike. The hybrid would do fine on paved surfaces, even crappy ones. The low quality suspension forks on most hybrids will handle a nasty paved road just fine. You don't really need the high end suspension fork until you are going high speed into tree roots and rocks and stuff. But if you like the mountain bike you've looking at...the higher end fork isn't going to hurt you. Plus it gives you versatility to do a more off trail experience should the mood strike you.
What will hold you back on an 8 mile ride is the tires the mountain bike will come with. They will be knobby tires that just aren't made for pavement. They are made for mud and loose dirt and stuff like that. But tires can be easily swapped out for something less aggressive that will do better on a paved surface. Again if it's paved, you don't need much tread. Even if the pavement is bumpy and nasty, tread isn't helping. Tread helps with 'loose' not bumpy. To help with bumpy what you want is a larger tire like a 40-45mm tire that can absorb a lot of impact to cushion the ride. Those come in low tread pavement versions.
What also might hold you back depending on the mountain bike is gearing. Mountain bikes are not built for speed on pavement. They are build for ease of pedaling up hills. So they are often geared lower with a single small chain ring up front and a wide range of gears in the back. But there often isn't a gear option for 'Ludicrous Speed'. Hybrids will generally have gearing that is more conducive to speed. Not like a road bike, but better than a mountain bike. Ironically the gearing on the hybrid will be lower quality than the gearing on a decent mountain bike. But it'll go faster.
The hybrids will make a good 'nasty paved road' bike.
Mountain bikes make a good 'this is not a road' bike.
Road bikes turn a nasty paved road into a 'the nurses at the hospital were great' bike.
The Giant Talon 3 you are looking at is somewhere in between the true mountain bike and a hybrid. It's got faster gearing than a mountain bike bu that 42 tooth large chain ring up front won't be as speedy as a 48 tooth more common on hybrids.
The 100mm travel fork is find for even nasty paved roads. You won't bottom that out. Plus it's got a lock out which you will want for any kind of smooth pavement riding. It's got enough compression that you'll absorb a solid whack into a pot hole.
I'm 50/50 on the tires it comes with. They are not built for speed on pavement. But they aren't heavy duty off road trail blazing mudders either. You may be okay with them. You may opt for something speedier.
You will love the hydraulic brakes on it.
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8 miles? doesn't matter what you ride, so ride what you want to be on. I've used a MTB for commuting, they fine, but you don't need a suspension fork, just nice big fat slicks. but try to find a lightweight tire option. for "commuting" I prefer a drop bar road bike, myself
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What will hold you back on an 8 mile ride is the tires the mountain bike will come with. They will be knobby tires that just aren't made for pavement.
What also might hold you back depending on the mountain bike is gearing. Mountain bikes are not built for speed on pavement. They are build for ease of pedaling up hills.
The hybrids will make a good 'nasty paved road' bike.
Mountain bikes make a good 'this is not a road' bike.
Road bikes turn a nasty paved road into a 'the nurses at the hospital were great' bike.
What also might hold you back depending on the mountain bike is gearing. Mountain bikes are not built for speed on pavement. They are build for ease of pedaling up hills.
The hybrids will make a good 'nasty paved road' bike.
Mountain bikes make a good 'this is not a road' bike.
Road bikes turn a nasty paved road into a 'the nurses at the hospital were great' bike.
8 miles? doesn't matter what you ride, so ride what you want to be on. I've used a MTB for commuting, they fine, but you don't need a suspension fork, just nice big fat slicks. but try to find a lightweight tire option. for "commuting" I prefer a drop bar road bike, myself
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I have a drop bar road bike that I use for long "fitness" rides, but today I just started looking at drop bar bikes that can take a bigger tire. So something in the gravel or touring category. But you're right, it doesn't matter what I ride for the intended purpose of this bike. This is the first time though that I've really put any thought into the purchase. It's hard to walk into the bike shop and see all the shiny new bikes and forget what you really needed in a bike.
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My old school steel framed late 90's early 00's Hardrock has been a great all around bike. Every time I think about upgrading I'm reminded that the engine is still the weakest link and keep riding (and liking) it.
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I’m no longer completely sold on knobby tires being a problem (just like I’m no longer sold on cheap forks being a problem). If you try to ride your commute on soft compound Maxxis Minions that is not going to be great, but there are less aggressive treads and harder compounds that do fine. Any tire marketed for bikepacking will do great.
What I don’t like are inferior bikes copping the style of MTB’s but not delivering.
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While not a dual suspension bike, the Talon 3 is a solid mountain bike that is no where near a “hybrid”. The gearing isn’t even that high for traditional mountain bikes which generally came with 44 tooth outer rings up until just a few years ago. I’ve been riding mountain bikes for most of 40 years that are exactly like the Talon 3.
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I’m no longer completely sold on knobby tires being a problem (just like I’m no longer sold on cheap forks being a problem). If you try to ride your commute on soft compound Maxxis Minions that is not going to be great, but there are less aggressive treads and harder compounds that do fine. Any tire marketed for bikepacking will do great.
What I don’t like are inferior bikes copping the style of MTB’s but not delivering.
What I don’t like are inferior bikes copping the style of MTB’s but not delivering.
I've been posting over in the Hybrid forum because I'm in the market for a new bike. I'm a road bike rider primarily and looking for a commuter/all-arounder.
Now that warmer weather is coming, this year I have vowed to use my car as little as possible. So I will be commuting to work, running errands, grocery shopping and stuff like that with this new bike.
I'm still debating the front suspension or not (like a Trek DS), but came across the Giant Talon 3. It's basically a hybrid with a bit more travel in the fork and wider tire, but labeled as a mountain bike.
Does anyone commute on a mountain bike? If so, does it slow you down, or do you have to work harder to get where you're going? I'm thinking it would get a soft ride, be sturdy enough to handle anything, and versatile. My commute is 8 miles one way, some small hills, and paved. Although the roads are in bad shape. For running errands and stuff like that, I'm in a small town so everything is within a mile or two.
Now that warmer weather is coming, this year I have vowed to use my car as little as possible. So I will be commuting to work, running errands, grocery shopping and stuff like that with this new bike.
I'm still debating the front suspension or not (like a Trek DS), but came across the Giant Talon 3. It's basically a hybrid with a bit more travel in the fork and wider tire, but labeled as a mountain bike.
Does anyone commute on a mountain bike? If so, does it slow you down, or do you have to work harder to get where you're going? I'm thinking it would get a soft ride, be sturdy enough to handle anything, and versatile. My commute is 8 miles one way, some small hills, and paved. Although the roads are in bad shape. For running errands and stuff like that, I'm in a small town so everything is within a mile or two.
DSCN0934 by Stuart Black, on Flickr
IMG_3144 by Stuart Black, on Flickr
The Dean is a hardtail and the Moots is technically a dual suspension bike but the rear suspension is minimal. Both are ridden off-road on trails that parallel a local creek as well as during the winter (the Moots gets studs). I have the choice of two routes that are 9 and 10 miles. The 10 mile route has more trail to ride. It’s hard to say how much slower the mountain bikes are because I don’t ride them strictly on pavement too often. My average speed is about 10 mph compared to about 12 mph on my road commuter but a lot of the speed difference could be the dirt riding.
I’d say to go ahead and buy the Talon then start looking for ways to use it like it was intended. Look for those social trails, short cuts, trails along rivers, etc. where the Talon can shine. Just riding on pavement gets old and it’s nice to ride something that provides a different challenge and, perhaps, a little fun to your commute.
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I’d say to go ahead and buy the Talon then start looking for ways to use it like it was intended. Look for those social trails, short cuts, trails along rivers, etc. where the Talon can shine. Just riding on pavement gets old and it’s nice to ride something that provides a different challenge and, perhaps, a little fun to your commute.
I’d say to go ahead and buy the Talon then start looking for ways to use it like it was intended. Look for those social trails, short cuts, trails along rivers, etc. where the Talon can shine. Just riding on pavement gets old and it’s nice to ride something that provides a different challenge and, perhaps, a little fun to your commute.
I have many different bikes and commute on any of them. I prefer the variety and the quiet green spaces provided by trails when available in the areas I am riding. I use our creeks, parks, greenbelts, dirt trails, shortcuts, decomposed granite trails, etc, whenever possible. Great way to cross under highways and busy arterials as well. And sometimes, I just use the streets and enjoy cutting through the clogged auto traffic at good speed on my bike.
Also, I prefer racks on all of my bikes. Allows me to use any combo of backpack, trunk bag, or up to 4 panniers on four of my bikes. Great for grocery shopping, bike camping, touring, etc. I usually only keep fenders on one bike setup for touring and nearly all conditions. It too is an older Trek steel mountain bike from the 90's but rebuilt with modern drivetrain, tubus racks, handbuilt wheels, sks fenders, brooks saddle, etc.
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Agreed....
I have many different bikes and commute on any of them. I prefer the variety and the quiet green spaces provided by trails when available in the areas I am riding. I use our creeks, parks, greenbelts, dirt trails, shortcuts, decomposed granite trails, etc, whenever possible. Great way to cross under highways and busy arterials as well. And sometimes, I just use the streets and enjoy cutting through the clogged auto traffic at good speed on my bike.
Also, I prefer racks on all of my bikes. Allows me to use any combo of backpack, trunk bag, or up to 4 panniers on four of my bikes. Great for grocery shopping, bike camping, touring, etc. I usually only keep fenders on one bike setup for touring and nearly all conditions. It too is an older Trek steel mountain bike from the 90's but rebuilt with modern drivetrain, tubus racks, handbuilt wheels, sks fenders, brooks saddle, etc.
I have many different bikes and commute on any of them. I prefer the variety and the quiet green spaces provided by trails when available in the areas I am riding. I use our creeks, parks, greenbelts, dirt trails, shortcuts, decomposed granite trails, etc, whenever possible. Great way to cross under highways and busy arterials as well. And sometimes, I just use the streets and enjoy cutting through the clogged auto traffic at good speed on my bike.
Also, I prefer racks on all of my bikes. Allows me to use any combo of backpack, trunk bag, or up to 4 panniers on four of my bikes. Great for grocery shopping, bike camping, touring, etc. I usually only keep fenders on one bike setup for touring and nearly all conditions. It too is an older Trek steel mountain bike from the 90's but rebuilt with modern drivetrain, tubus racks, handbuilt wheels, sks fenders, brooks saddle, etc.
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I may take the bike up to Dean to have them add braze-ons but I will wait until December.
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Stuart,
The Tubus clamps work great. I use them on an 80's vintage road bike and have for a long time.
Both of your mountain bikes are titanium, correct ? Cool that you live near your builders and they are able to add braze-ons to make amazing frames even more versatile. I am in Austin, Tx and find that I don't need suspension on the bikes I use for commuting. For me, old steel rigid mountain bikes from the 90's meet my needs on most trails and make an easy transition to gravel roads, hardpack, and pavement. When riding our trails with big hills, drops, and big rock recreationally, I prefer a more modern suspended mtn bike design with at least shock up front and big floaty tires. I would think the bikes you have would be near perfect if living in Colorado.
The Tubus clamps work great. I use them on an 80's vintage road bike and have for a long time.
Both of your mountain bikes are titanium, correct ? Cool that you live near your builders and they are able to add braze-ons to make amazing frames even more versatile. I am in Austin, Tx and find that I don't need suspension on the bikes I use for commuting. For me, old steel rigid mountain bikes from the 90's meet my needs on most trails and make an easy transition to gravel roads, hardpack, and pavement. When riding our trails with big hills, drops, and big rock recreationally, I prefer a more modern suspended mtn bike design with at least shock up front and big floaty tires. I would think the bikes you have would be near perfect if living in Colorado.
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Stuart,
The Tubus clamps work great. I use them on an 80's vintage road bike and have for a long time.
Both of your mountain bikes are titanium, correct ? Cool that you live near your builders and they are able to add braze-ons to make amazing frames even more versatile. I am in Austin, Tx and find that I don't need suspension on the bikes I use for commuting. For me, old steel rigid mountain bikes from the 90's meet my needs on most trails and make an easy transition to gravel roads, hardpack, and pavement. When riding our trails with big hills, drops, and big rock recreationally, I prefer a more modern suspended mtn bike design with at least shock up front and big floaty tires. I would think the bikes you have would be near perfect if living in Colorado.
The Tubus clamps work great. I use them on an 80's vintage road bike and have for a long time.
Both of your mountain bikes are titanium, correct ? Cool that you live near your builders and they are able to add braze-ons to make amazing frames even more versatile. I am in Austin, Tx and find that I don't need suspension on the bikes I use for commuting. For me, old steel rigid mountain bikes from the 90's meet my needs on most trails and make an easy transition to gravel roads, hardpack, and pavement. When riding our trails with big hills, drops, and big rock recreationally, I prefer a more modern suspended mtn bike design with at least shock up front and big floaty tires. I would think the bikes you have would be near perfect if living in Colorado.
The Moots is my bikepacking bike and I consider to be a “gravel grinder” for Colorado. Our mountain “gravel” has some rather large rocks in it, so the front suspension and the modest rear suspension comes in handy. While the guys on road type gravel grinders are picking their painful way through the rocks, I’m over the rocks and on down the road to the next rock pile.
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I ended up with the Trek Dual Sport 2, so another Trek to add to my stable. I rode the Marlin and DS back to back, and preferred the DS. I think for what I'm going to use it for it's perfect. The closest Giant dealer with my size in stock was 90 miles away, same with the other bikes I was considering. But I like this Trek dealer and they close so that helps. And I guess sticking with what I'm familiar with isn't all that bad.
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