The evolution of SRAM
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The evolution of SRAM
A guy I ride with owns a bike shop and is an avid SRAM fan. He tells me that in late 2013 SRAM road group will be available in 11 speed. He has heard rumors that SRAM will be available in electronic possibly in 2014.
I have Campy now and although I do like it, I am SRAM curious and might switch to Red for my next group.
Anyone else heard anything about this?
I have Campy now and although I do like it, I am SRAM curious and might switch to Red for my next group.
Anyone else heard anything about this?
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Hmm. My favorite thing about Sram is that all of their stuff is mechanical 10 speed. Oh well, I knew it wouldn't last forever.
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If both Campy and Shimano move to 11 speed, SRAM will eventually need to do the same but it may not be across the entire line Campy still makes 10 speed.
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A guy I ride with owns a bike shop and is an avid SRAM fan. He tells me that in late 2013 SRAM road group will be available in 11 speed. He has heard rumors that SRAM will be available in electronic possibly in 2014.
I have Campy now and although I do like it, I am SRAM curious and might switch to Red for my next group.
Anyone else heard anything about this?
I have Campy now and although I do like it, I am SRAM curious and might switch to Red for my next group.
Anyone else heard anything about this?
2013 is olde news (Eurobike and Interbike are done) and I haven't heard a whisper about SRAM 11spd. We don't meet with Sram but we do work with assembly factories and nada. We have also been working with two hub factories on Shimano 11spd stuff and no one has mentioned Sram so unless it is going to be some HUGE surprise at Taipei show (which is within the realm of possibility) I doubt it.
Also, if it is going to be some huge surprise, why the heck would some shop guy know about it? He's so far down the food chain that's he's two years behind stuff PM will book next month.
Sram does need to do something, though and I don't think pretty colours are going to cut it this time.
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11. speed SRAM would not be surprising. a huge selling point for them is that they are compatible with Shimano...now that Shimano revealed their 11sp spec, SRAMcan do theirs.
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Campagnolo has had 11 for years and Shimano will introduce Dura-Ace 11-speed this summer. Electronic might be a fad, but another cog on the cassette is something we can all use. Not that we really need it, but if we had it we'd use it.
Shoot. I'm about to order a Force-spec'ed bike tomorrow, too.
Shoot. I'm about to order a Force-spec'ed bike tomorrow, too.
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Campagnolo has had 11 for years and Shimano will introduce Dura-Ace 11-speed this summer. Electronic might be a fad, but another cog on the cassette is something we can all use. Not that we really need it, but if we had it we'd use it.
Shoot. I'm about to order a Force-spec'ed bike tomorrow, too.
Shoot. I'm about to order a Force-spec'ed bike tomorrow, too.
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Campagnolo has had 11 for years and Shimano will introduce Dura-Ace 11-speed this summer. Electronic might be a fad, but another cog on the cassette is something we can all use. Not that we really need it, but if we had it we'd use it.
Shoot. I'm about to order a Force-spec'ed bike tomorrow, too.
Shoot. I'm about to order a Force-spec'ed bike tomorrow, too.
1. Electronic is not a fad; it's the future of high-end components.*
2. SRAM is working on an electronic group, even as they are insist that the mechanical purity of their groups is a valuable selling point (Yeah. Maybe to a select few. At the moment. While electronic systems still have a price premium.). They need 11-speed, too, but if I'm SRAM, I'm much more worried about developing a competitive electronic groupset.
* And on top of that, I think Shimano has signaled their intentions with Alfine Di2 to trickle electronic shifting down the product line as aggressively as possible. They're going after it like they did SIS, it'll just take a bit longer.
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I had sram gripshift on first bike I bought. A murray mtn bike with 21 speed gripshift. it must have been in 95
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I wonder what does SRAM have in store for Force and Rival. They gave Apex the White group (eh, it's nothing really) but nothing for the other two sets. I'm looking to do another build with a Force or Red since I already have Rival on my main bike that I'd like to transfer onto my other frame.
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March 2013...somethings gonna drop...
Force has Zero Loss for the rear shifting, mid cage rear derailleur, and added the "stiffer" SRAM Red chainrings...available now...
Force has Zero Loss for the rear shifting, mid cage rear derailleur, and added the "stiffer" SRAM Red chainrings...available now...
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Actually in a few weeks XX1 will hit the retail market. So yes, SRAM has gone 11 speed. Ok so it's not specifically a road group, but whatever.
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That said, I just got the new Sram stuff and am quite pleased with it.
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I'm waiting for 15 speed Di2
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once you get to eleven is it feasable to start comparing the bennies to a triple chainraing?
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I have never riden 11 speed but I understand it shifts better and has closer spacing which should be a good thing.
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Bob Dopolina, thanks for your persistence in posting your insider info. The only way to get anything deeper is to hear from a manufacturer's engineer.
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It fits more ratios closer together. There's that "magical" 16t cog that goes missing on some cassettes with a wider range. If you want 11-26 or wider, something in the middle has to go, and the 16t is often the next cog to get deleted. For some people at some speeds, the jump from 15t to 17t is awkward -- 15 feels like mashing while 17 is spinning with no resistance.
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It fits more ratios closer together. There's that "magical" 16t cog that goes missing on some cassettes with a wider range. If you want 11-26 or wider, something in the middle has to go, and the 16t is often the next cog to get deleted. For some people at some speeds, the jump from 15t to 17t is awkward -- 15 feels like mashing while 17 is spinning with no resistance.
Bob Dopolina, thanks for your persistence in posting your insider info. The only way to get anything deeper is to hear from a manufacturer's engineer.
Bob Dopolina, thanks for your persistence in posting your insider info. The only way to get anything deeper is to hear from a manufacturer's engineer.
I find myself using the 15-16-17 rings of my 11-23 cassette while I spin a 170mm crank with a 34/50 chain ring at an average cadence of 90 rpm cruising (35 kmh/22 mph) on flats. The 6 to 7% gear ratio increases of the 15-16-17 are ideal for me. The 17 to 19 shift is an 11% shift is okay. But, on a 11-25 cassette, the 15 to 17 shift, a 13.3% shift, somehow feels too steep. I looked at Sheldon Brown's site and played with the gear calculator before deciding that I needed a cassette with a 15-16-17 ring.
My goal now is to maintain as smooth and constant as possible cadence for my goal of a solo sub 5 hour century.
When facing headwind or going up slight inclines, I will let my cadence drop to 85 before shifting up to bring my cadence back up to 91-92. Conversely, when riding with a tailwind or going down a slight decline, I will let my cadence rise to 95 before shifting down to bring my cadence back down to 90. This is also how I accelerate, increasing my cadence from 89-90 up to 95-96 then shifting down to bring my cadence to 90 again. I am not sure if this makes me a masher or spinner but I hope to raise my average cadence up to 95 without me bouncing up an down. My bike fitter told me that I will probably need to lower my saddle about 5mm, which is exactly what I will be experimenting with my SRAM Quarq-equipped training bike.
That is for my next goal, a solo double century and a solo sub 4.5 hour century.
Mark
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On flat terrain, closer ratios are good. In the mountains and rolling hills, wider ratios are good.