Paramount Tandem help needed
04-07-11, 10:43 AM
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Paramount Tandem help needed
I picked up this Paramount Tandem and I'm not sure of the year and looking for info on it I have been to the waterford website and my serial # does not seem to jive with thier date code system does anyone know anything more about this? Serial # is C9PT102
04-07-11, 10:53 AM
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Try Oldroads.com for the Schwinn serial# data base, looks like late 80's early 90's, cool crankset.
04-07-11, 11:17 AM
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My best guess is that it was produced in March 1969... and it was the 2nd Paramount tandem built in 1969, even though it's not true to the Waterford information. Best bet is to call Waterford if you want to get the no-kidding, best answer.
Waterford's data: https://waterfordbikes.com/now/home.p...aramountdating
My take: The discrepancy I see as being the most plausible is that this bike was so early in 1969 that they used the same serialization for it as the non-tandem Paramounts produced from '66 - '69. Perhaps somewhere along the line in '69 they added the 2nd digit if their example of E69PT109 is taken from an actual tandem.
Waterford's data: https://waterfordbikes.com/now/home.p...aramountdating
Paramount Tandem Serial Numbers
Paramount started building tandems in 1969. Prior to this time, only special team tandems (like Olympic bikes) were made.
Serial Numbering: The first phase started in early 1969 and continued to the middle of 1970. It consisted of the following fields:
•Month Code: This one letter code corresponds to the month with A=January, B=Febuary and so on. Because I is not used, September=J and December=M.
•Year Code: This two digit code is the last two digits of the year - 69 is 1969.
•PT:This code indicated a Paramount Tandem.
•Sequence Number: This three digit number represents the nth frame and/or fork scheduled during the month.
For example E69PT109 was a Paramount Tandem built in May of '69. It was the 9th tandem of the year.
The second phase started in Mid-1970 when Schwinn started using the standard numbering system (and probably a common bottom bracket) with the company's mass production. For example, FF018524 was built in June of 1970, serial number 018524.
All Paramount tandem production had ceased by the end of 1979.
Paramount started building tandems in 1969. Prior to this time, only special team tandems (like Olympic bikes) were made.
Serial Numbering: The first phase started in early 1969 and continued to the middle of 1970. It consisted of the following fields:
•Month Code: This one letter code corresponds to the month with A=January, B=Febuary and so on. Because I is not used, September=J and December=M.
•Year Code: This two digit code is the last two digits of the year - 69 is 1969.
•PT:This code indicated a Paramount Tandem.
•Sequence Number: This three digit number represents the nth frame and/or fork scheduled during the month.
For example E69PT109 was a Paramount Tandem built in May of '69. It was the 9th tandem of the year.
The second phase started in Mid-1970 when Schwinn started using the standard numbering system (and probably a common bottom bracket) with the company's mass production. For example, FF018524 was built in June of 1970, serial number 018524.
All Paramount tandem production had ceased by the end of 1979.
The First Serialized Date Code
This system was used from January 1966 through 1969. It consisted of three components -
•Month Code: This one letter code corresponds to the month with A=January, B=Febuary and so on. Because I is not used, September=J and December=M.
•Year Code: This one digit code is the last digit of the year - 6 is 1966.
•Sequence Number: This two digit number represents the nth frame and/or fork scheduled during the month.
For example, H763 is the sixty-third frame or fork scheduled during August of 1967.
This system was used from January 1966 through 1969. It consisted of three components -
•Month Code: This one letter code corresponds to the month with A=January, B=Febuary and so on. Because I is not used, September=J and December=M.
•Year Code: This one digit code is the last digit of the year - 6 is 1966.
•Sequence Number: This two digit number represents the nth frame and/or fork scheduled during the month.
For example, H763 is the sixty-third frame or fork scheduled during August of 1967.
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04-13-11, 01:56 PM
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That would be after they quit making Paramounts in Chicago (1979). I don't think Waterford ever made a Paramount Tandem.
Also that head badge was used on the Paramounts built in Chicago, not on the Waterford built Paramounts.
And the frame style is more reminiscent of older tandems.
All of which is consistent with the 1969 theory.
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I know zilch about the year or details of the tandem, however if you plan to ride it, it may be a good idea to reroute the front brake cable between what are possibly shifter cables. Might not be an issue if you have other plans to do some work on it.
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04-16-11, 02:16 PM
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We had a 78 or 79 Paramount and that one appears to be older than ours. We had a few braze-ons, if I remember correctly. I don't have any photos or I'd check.
Edited to add that I did find this photo taken in 1989. By looking at this photo, it would appear that the bike did have cable braze-ons and such.
Edited to add that I did find this photo taken in 1989. By looking at this photo, it would appear that the bike did have cable braze-ons and such.
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04-16-11, 09:35 PM
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I have a 72 paramount tandem that seems to have the same fork heads as yours. After consulting with Richard Shwinn at waterford and comparing the serial # it was made in Chicago. Serial # is on bottom of headtube. Mine has a mixte rear and a dual stabalizing set up. The Olympic rings and a paramount decal on the front down tube. It is filet brazed and a great job. Set for 27x11/4 wheels with weiinmann rims on campy hubs. It rides like a classic steel frame and is very comfortable. Have fun and enjoy the ride.
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10-16-18, 06:10 AM
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I would say those are Scott Pedersen Self-Energizing cantis. I added a set of those to our first tandem back in the early 1990’s. As they engaged, the forward motion of the rim caused them to clamp tighter, providing additional braking force and lower effort at the lever.
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10-16-18, 03:23 PM
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AFAIK Waterford started up long after Schwinn was sold off as a name brand,
to to reemerge in mass merchant stores ...
Yes.
I have a couple sets of those, mine came from the Burly Tandem shop. (worked there)
I put mine on my self contained Touring bike ..
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to to reemerge in mass merchant stores ...
I would say those are Scott Petersen Self-Energizing cantis
I have a couple sets of those, mine came from the Burly Tandem shop. (worked there)
I put mine on my self contained Touring bike ..
....
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10-17-18, 08:47 AM
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I know this is an old thread but just for my own clarification, didn't Schwinn move their Paramount fabrication to the Wisconsin location that then later became Waterford?
10-22-18, 11:55 AM
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They've been making frames for at least one recumbent brand also based in Wisconsin, Volae, for quite a while.
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