cyclic_eric

Thanks ogmtb, caloso!
imo, there are other sites for political rants. I'd rather this one be all about bicycling.

cyclic_eric

Well, you guys were right. After 4 miles I was feeling a little nauseated. Then, some construction barriers through town required I walk on the sidewalk for a block. Briefly, the air felt soothing, even relaxing.... the next instant I realized I was walking behind a smoker...
I held on for another 4 miles, even had a little fun at it, but turned home. I'd not recommend it.
Cheers all.

eja_ bottecchia

eja_ bottecchia

Biker395 

I rode Sunday in the San Gabriels and it was crystal clear. No smoke that I could see or smell, nor any ill effects.

I also rode to work Monday (I'm along the coast about 20-30 miles from the fires). Frankly, I forgot about the crappy air quality, but it didn't seem the least bit smoky to me and the measured air quality was said to be "moderate" (only unhealthy for sensitive persons) ... a fairly common occurrence in LA county, albeit not near the coast.

I drove through the burn area Saturday on the way to SLO. It wasn't what I would call smoky, but oy could you smell how much had burned. Don't think I would be riding up there until after some rain.

Cyclist0108

Here is an interesting photo in today's LA Times. The houses were all incinerated, but the trees are still there:




https://www.latimes.com/local/califo...120-story.html

davester

Here in the SF Bay Area, the smoke has been absolutely miserable. I haven't exercised for almost two weeks and am going stir crazy. Hopefully I'll get out on the bike this Saturday after the rain forecast for Thanksgiving. I will certainly be thankful if it arrives.

As to our friend @rydabent 's rambling and random suppositions regarding the cause of the fire, everything he has said so far flies in the face of all facts. Best information so far is that the Camp fire was likely initiated by failure of power company transformers. Also, much of the burn area had previously burned and had low fuel buildup, so "forest management" had nothing to do with it. It's very clear why it burned...50+ mph Santa Ana wind conditions, high temperatures and incredibly low humidity resulting from five years of drought which are consistent with worldwide climate change. Shortly after the fire started it was expanding at a rate of about 80 football fields per minute. The idea that an enlarged fleet of air tankers would be able to stave off such a conflagration is laughable. Also, fire breaks are of marginal utility in such wind conditions and sometimes increase the rate of fire advance due to the lack of obstacles to stop flying embers moving at 50 mph

DiabloScott

They're talking up to 1-1/2" starting tonight... that will be a nice relief. It's been a tiny bit better every day since Friday, which is the worst air I have ever seen.

After the Sonoma County fires last year there was a real sense of community re-building and solidarity... I expect the same for Butte County even though it's so far from the Bay Area.

rydabent

In the news. Gov Brown has admitted that President Trump that said forest management was lacking has agreed with him. He is going to change logging and management rules. Finally a glimmer of common sense.

In the mean time for years the burned areas will be pretty much useless. Mountain biking thru ashes cant be much fun.

ogmtb

This is, once again, false.

What prompts you comment on something that you have no experience with? Normal folks avoid baseless speculation about things they have no experience with.

davester

You're mixing all sorts of things up to reach unwarranted conclusions. Governor Brown changed some logging rules back in August to incentivize removing of fuel by allowing loggers to log large non-fuel trees on private property that are worth a bunch of money with the condition that they cut small ones that represent fuel too. Unfortunately, almost all of the fire prone forests are not on private property and are under federal, not state, management and there has been insufficient federal money to manage the massive accumulation of fuels in federal forests that has been exacerbated by the drought. Brown's move has nothing to do with Trump's recent statements. The National Forest Service has actually been doing a great job managing forest fire risks within the confines of their budget. The problem is that their budget is far too small given the extent of the forests.

Also, note that this would make zero difference in the recent fires because those were in areas with low fuel load. In particular, the Paradise fire was a structure fire...few trees in Paradise burned, just as is shown in @wgscott 's post on the Malibu fires. Here's an explanation for that:
This is all of great interest to me since I live at the wildland-urban interface and have been following wildfire issues (especially prevention) for some time.

ogmtb

He read, and believed, a FOX news head line. Not surprising given the rest of his uninformed comments.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tru...ement-measures

trailangel

Thank You Davester from Berkeley

Biker395 

As they say in the sports biz ... check that. It may not have been smoky Sunday or Monday, but it sure is today. <cough>

bobwysiwyg

Got to love the Finnish humor, "Rake America Great Again."

Siu Blue Wind

You're back. Still the same. How is Europe?

ogmtb

I never left. Also, not in Europe.

Hopefully you're joking and learned your lesson about using IP addresses to determine posting location. Or maybe not.

fietsbob

Badly done, inadequate clean up, around the Nuclear power plant in So Cal,
added radio active particles to the smoke, in that fire,
that started around the power plant..

nice short term thinking guys..








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ogmtb

“The fire did not burn SSFL facilities that previously handled radioactive and hazardous materials,” Dutton said. “It did not extend to the former radioactive materials handling facility, hazardous waste treatment facility, and sodium reactor experiment area, and other buildings in that area.”

Not a nuclear power plant.

No radioactive particles in the smoke.

Facts matter.

https://www.dailynews.com/2018/11/20...act-nasa-says/

https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2018...-woolsey-fire/

rydabent

Maybe instead of insulting me, you should to to the fire area and try to convince the people there that forest management and fire control is just wonderful in Calif.

BTW do you mountain bike? What do you think mountain biking in the fire areas will be like for the next ten years?

eja_ bottecchia

cb400bill

Thread has been circling the bowel for a while.

Closed.