I just saw someone's bicycle tyre go flat...
12-11-18, 02:04 PM
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Ugh. Acidfast, you're better than this. speed is the rate of change in position. acceleration is the rate of change of speed. "rate of speed" is what somebody ignorant says when they mean "speed" but want to sound more pretentious. (The well-informed way to sound pretentious is to say "velocity")
12-11-18, 03:57 PM
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Meh, cops and criminals all the same to me. I take no joy in the misfortune of others, but without anybody getting hurt, I'd say watching somebody else flat would probably be equally as satisfying. It's like seeing a bald eagle or a coyote or something in the wild. "Don't get to see that every day". And the guy was OK, and he was in town, and able to walk. No harm, no foul. Not like @acidfast7 sprinkled glass on the pavement. Gotta be able to have a sense of humor about punctures.
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12-12-18, 01:50 AM
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Ugh. Acidfast, you're better than this. speed is the rate of change in position. acceleration is the rate of change of speed. "rate of speed" is what somebody ignorant says when they mean "speed" but want to sound more pretentious. (The well-informed way to sound pretentious is to say "velocity")
You'll have to forgive me as I was in awe of never having seen a tyre go flat live. I was awestruck. I was on a Schadenfreude high!
12-12-18, 08:48 AM
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I was on a Schadenfreude high!
I'm also not sure what you're seeing in the videos you posted. In the first, the car was clearly slowing to a stop before the cyclist entered the intersection. I would have ridden right through as well. How do you know he didn't have his hands on the brakes?
In the second, he was instructing a group of less inexperienced riders how to ride confidently in traffic while obeying traffic laws. I can't see a single thing they did wrong.
12-12-18, 09:45 AM
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12-12-18, 11:00 AM
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12-12-18, 11:30 AM
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Researchers have found that there are three driving forces behind schadenfreude: aggression, rivalry, and justice. People who experience schadenfreude usually have low self esteem. Seeing another person fail brings them a small surge of confidence. Whereas, seeing someone who is successful poses as a threat to their sense of self and seeing the 'mighty' fall can be a source of comfort[4].
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I am pretty sure that any preschooler watching cartoon slapstick can experience schadenfreude without feeling low self esteem
12-17-18, 02:08 PM
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Yes, schadenfreude -
Too-fast dude takes a hard turn,
Then he gets a flat.
Too-fast dude takes a hard turn,
Then he gets a flat.
12-17-18, 03:34 PM
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I cycle in a very traffic intense area, see the photos I posted. This person in that video seems oblivious. At a minimum they should have stopped pedaling (freewheeled) and shifted hands/fingers to the front brake lever. This wouldn't have been noticeable to the driver (not giving way at all) but would position the rider with the ability to stop more rapidly. Neither of those occured.
Judgemental maybe, but it is a relatively dark evening and the cyclist is coming out of the tree cover, they should be somewhat more attentive.
Judgemental maybe, but it is a relatively dark evening and the cyclist is coming out of the tree cover, they should be somewhat more attentive.
Additionally, you could not see the cyclists hands, feet nor bicycle. You can't draw any conclusions as to the cyclists readiness to brake if they needed to. Additionally, the cyclist flatted in the middle of the intersection so he was slowing anyway. His hands had to be on the brakes.
Then you don't know much. The YouTube poster was making a left turn in exactly the manner in which he should have either alone or in a group. I could quibble a little with the turn on to the side path...I would have turned onto the street but that is a minor quibble. The motorist was clearly in the wrong as the intersection is clearly marked for left and through/right turn lanes. The motorist overtook the group of cyclists because they didn't want to wait for a clearly legal left turn by the group of bicyclists.
In other words, the motorist was a bone head.
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12-17-18, 03:41 PM
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Prior to learning of this Schadenfreude, I watched compilation videos of bike crashes on YouTube, because I thought they were funny. Now I realize it's only because I have low self esteem, aggression, rivalry, and a lust for justice!
12-18-18, 01:34 AM
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Are you seriously suggesting that bicyclists should slow down every time they approach an intersection where there is a car perpendicular to their line of travel? If the cyclists has a yield sign, then I would agree but the motorists in that video had a stop sign which indicates that the vehicle...car or bicycle...on the road that the cyclist was riding on has the right of way. There is absolutely no reason for the cyclist to even consider slowing in that situation.
Additionally, you could not see the cyclists hands, feet nor bicycle. You can't draw any conclusions as to the cyclists readiness to brake if they needed to. Additionally, the cyclist flatted in the middle of the intersection so he was slowing anyway. His hands had to be on the brakes.
Then you don't know much. The YouTube poster was making a left turn in exactly the manner in which he should have either alone or in a group. I could quibble a little with the turn on to the side path...I would have turned onto the street but that is a minor quibble. The motorist was clearly in the wrong as the intersection is clearly marked for left and through/right turn lanes. The motorist overtook the group of cyclists because they didn't want to wait for a clearly legal left turn by the group of bicyclists.
In other words, the motorist was a bone head.
Additionally, you could not see the cyclists hands, feet nor bicycle. You can't draw any conclusions as to the cyclists readiness to brake if they needed to. Additionally, the cyclist flatted in the middle of the intersection so he was slowing anyway. His hands had to be on the brakes.
Then you don't know much. The YouTube poster was making a left turn in exactly the manner in which he should have either alone or in a group. I could quibble a little with the turn on to the side path...I would have turned onto the street but that is a minor quibble. The motorist was clearly in the wrong as the intersection is clearly marked for left and through/right turn lanes. The motorist overtook the group of cyclists because they didn't want to wait for a clearly legal left turn by the group of bicyclists.
In other words, the motorist was a bone head.
12-18-18, 10:32 AM
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Turning from the straight through lane is both illegal and unsafe. It would have encouraged the motorist to pass them on the left while they were making a left turn. That is hardly a safe maneuver for either vehicle. The motorist had no expectation that they could pass the group in any case and was completely in the wrong.
...As are your thoughts on the situation. They were turning in a legal manner and completely within their rights to make the turn in the way that they did. Any other method of making that turn would place all parties involve in a hazardous situation. The motorist should have turned left behind the group, just as they would have had to if the group was in a bus.
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12-18-18, 10:50 AM
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I said that I wouldn't necessarily go to the bike path but the group did nothing wrong in making a left turn to that path. But they were positioned properly for any left turn, no matter where they ended up. If they were on the right side of the left turn lane, the car still shouldn't have tried to get past them.
Turning from the straight through lane is both illegal and unsafe. It would have encouraged the motorist to pass them on the left while they were making a left turn. That is hardly a safe maneuver for either vehicle. The motorist had no expectation that they could pass the group in any case and was completely in the wrong.
...As are your thoughts on the situation. They were turning in a legal manner and completely within their rights to make the turn in the way that they did. Any other method of making that turn would place all parties involve in a hazardous situation. The motorist should have turned left behind the group, just as they would have had to if the group was in a bus.
Turning from the straight through lane is both illegal and unsafe. It would have encouraged the motorist to pass them on the left while they were making a left turn. That is hardly a safe maneuver for either vehicle. The motorist had no expectation that they could pass the group in any case and was completely in the wrong.
...As are your thoughts on the situation. They were turning in a legal manner and completely within their rights to make the turn in the way that they did. Any other method of making that turn would place all parties involve in a hazardous situation. The motorist should have turned left behind the group, just as they would have had to if the group was in a bus.
I just think is was half assed.
If I was in a big group like them with a lot of inexperienced rider, like they were. I would've stayed in the bike lane as it was green and crossed and stopped at the ****astic sidewalk/MUP. They I wouldn't push the walk indicator and waiting for the green indication. Then crossed that main street.
I think there's significant risk due to the lack of driver education about bikes in the US. In addition, fewer drivers cycle like they do in Europe, so the drivers over here understand the riders better.
Thus, with my method, it would've taken an extra minute or two, the group could've chatted and they're would be no reason for shouting between car and bikes.
What they did was legal but risker risk due to bad driver training in the US. I don't see the need to do it that way.
But, like I said we can fight all day and I can post American cyclists "taking the lane" and/or being ******** (not these guys) or taking additional risk with not net gain (these guys) all day long. I'll relax over here where we all get along with our nice cycling infrasturcture, decent driver training and streetside cafes.
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Simple answer within a question - If it were a car, truck, slow construction vehicle, etc. turning left in that lane, but just going slow, would the driver of that sedan have been justified in turning left from the straight-through lane, just out of impatience?
Also, the move onto the MUP is essentially a RIGHT shift following the left turn; the situation would have been no different if the group had decided to continue on the road after the turn. Anyone else turning left, LEGALLY and SAFELY, would have done so BEHIND them, so it wouldn't matter if they shifted over to the MUP or stayed on the road. The only thing that made the situation unsafe was the conduct of the sedan driver.
As for staying "out of" the traffic lanes, indeed, US car drivers are poorly trained. But cyclists relegating themselves to such options only perpetuates that bad training. Car drivers will NOT learn this stuff from a book, or from a test that they'll eventually pass just by memorizing the right things. They'll ONLY learn by the PRESENCE of cyclists AS traffic, i.e. EXPERIENCE. It's like the adage about the freshly painted park bench - all the "Wet Paint" signs in the world aren't enough for some, who just have to touch it.
Also, the move onto the MUP is essentially a RIGHT shift following the left turn; the situation would have been no different if the group had decided to continue on the road after the turn. Anyone else turning left, LEGALLY and SAFELY, would have done so BEHIND them, so it wouldn't matter if they shifted over to the MUP or stayed on the road. The only thing that made the situation unsafe was the conduct of the sedan driver.
As for staying "out of" the traffic lanes, indeed, US car drivers are poorly trained. But cyclists relegating themselves to such options only perpetuates that bad training. Car drivers will NOT learn this stuff from a book, or from a test that they'll eventually pass just by memorizing the right things. They'll ONLY learn by the PRESENCE of cyclists AS traffic, i.e. EXPERIENCE. It's like the adage about the freshly painted park bench - all the "Wet Paint" signs in the world aren't enough for some, who just have to touch it.
12-18-18, 11:48 AM
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It’s harder to KOM using bike lanes and trails. Always somebody slower in the way. I’m a big boy, like to ride fast in traffic with cars, show ‘em who’s the boss. Nobody passes me until I say so. More KOMs that way too. I even create my own private Strava segments so I can always have some KOMs. My 12 mile commute, I have split into 135 separate segments. I created them all one morning and then had 135 KOMs waiting for me when I got to work, I didn’t even have to ride fast. Next day I rode a little faster, whalaah 135 more KOMs. It’s like Pokémon go for serious, avid, hardcore cyclists such as myself, although can’t think of anybody more hardcore than myself at the moment. I wish I could cash the KOMs in for something at the bike shop like tickets for toys at the arcade. They’d basically owe me a brand new carbon fiber bike, not that I need a lighter bike, mine is already almost down to 12 lbs. I’m basically a local Strava celebrity. Flat tires really make KOMs hard, so I keep a 1 liter of Mountain Dew and an 8 oz bottle of honey in my pannier for “honey shots”, little pick me up after a flat slows me down. I usually KOM a lot after honey shots. This one time this guy on a MTB tried to pass me so I knocked him off his bike and stole his jersey. Talk about king of the mountain. Is it still Schadenfreude if you cause the suffering? He was gonna suffer one way or the other, he was basically asking for it. He barely had any facial hair, just like a little thin scruff on his chin, not a thick glorious beard like mine. It was better to lose his jersey than to have to eat the rubber flying off my rear tire. And better for the environment. He should have thanked me. I took a honey shot right in front of his face and then rode away. People just need to know where they belong, and I don’t mind helping them figure out where it is. Thats basically how I tour, too. KOMs all the way out and back. Man I love KOMs.
12-18-18, 11:51 AM
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Simple answer within a question - If it were a car, truck, slow construction vehicle, etc. turning left in that lane, but just going slow, would the driver of that sedan have been justified in turning left from the straight-through lane, just out of impatience?
Also, the move onto the MUP is essentially a RIGHT shift following the left turn; the situation would have been no different if the group had decided to continue on the road after the turn. Anyone else turning left, LEGALLY and SAFELY, would have done so BEHIND them, so it wouldn't matter if they shifted over to the MUP or stayed on the road. The only thing that made the situation unsafe was the conduct of the sedan driver.
As for staying "out of" the traffic lanes, indeed, US car drivers are poorly trained. But cyclists relegating themselves to such options only perpetuates that bad training. Car drivers will NOT learn this stuff from a book, or from a test that they'll eventually pass just by memorizing the right things. They'll ONLY learn by the PRESENCE of cyclists AS traffic, i.e. EXPERIENCE. It's like the adage about the freshly painted park bench - all the "Wet Paint" signs in the world aren't enough for some, who just have to touch it.
Also, the move onto the MUP is essentially a RIGHT shift following the left turn; the situation would have been no different if the group had decided to continue on the road after the turn. Anyone else turning left, LEGALLY and SAFELY, would have done so BEHIND them, so it wouldn't matter if they shifted over to the MUP or stayed on the road. The only thing that made the situation unsafe was the conduct of the sedan driver.
As for staying "out of" the traffic lanes, indeed, US car drivers are poorly trained. But cyclists relegating themselves to such options only perpetuates that bad training. Car drivers will NOT learn this stuff from a book, or from a test that they'll eventually pass just by memorizing the right things. They'll ONLY learn by the PRESENCE of cyclists AS traffic, i.e. EXPERIENCE. It's like the adage about the freshly painted park bench - all the "Wet Paint" signs in the world aren't enough for some, who just have to touch it.
The only way to gain experience with a cyclist on the streets, is to become a cyclist.
Secondly, even though the cyclists were doing anything illegal. The risk:reward ratio dictates that the minimal gain by not waiting and extra minute at the red light was already lost by having an altercation with a driver. The whole group of people was put in risk for no gain, IMHO.
I would've done it that way myself, but not with the gf who doesn't cycle so often as that looks like it can be a very high speed left turn (25+ mph).
In addition, the cyclists are taking a route that a car cannot, so if they slow down after turning left to enter the MUP, the driver will be even more confused.
It's just to high risk:reward for me given the average driver in the US.
I also think making a chain of cyclist that looks to be 30m (100ft) long is very poor form by the cyclists and probably confusing as **** for the driver who thought they were going to pass one cyclist and then saw a megalong chain, which is most likely why the driver ended up there.
I wouldn't recommend against everything in that video the cyclists were doing expect using the bike lane at the beginning.
12-18-18, 12:11 PM
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It’s harder to KOM using bike lanes and trails. Always somebody slower in the way. I’m a big boy, like to ride fast in traffic with cars, show ‘em who’s the boss. Nobody passes me until I say so. More KOMs that way too. I even create my own private Strava segments so I can always have some KOMs. My 12 mile commute, I have split into 135 separate segments. I created them all one morning and then had 135 KOMs waiting for me when I got to work, I didn’t even have to ride fast. Next day I rode a little faster, whalaah 135 more KOMs. It’s like Pokémon go for serious, avid, hardcore cyclists such as myself, although can’t think of anybody more hardcore than myself at the moment. I wish I could cash the KOMs in for something at the bike shop like tickets for toys at the arcade. They’d basically owe me a brand new carbon fiber bike, not that I need a lighter bike, mine is already almost down to 12 lbs. I’m basically a local Strava celebrity. Flat tires really make KOMs hard, so I keep a 1 liter of Mountain Dew and an 8 oz bottle of honey in my pannier for “honey shots”, little pick me up after a flat slows me down. I usually KOM a lot after honey shots. This one time this guy on a MTB tried to pass me so I knocked him off his bike and stole his jersey. Talk about king of the mountain. Is it still Schadenfreude if you cause the suffering? He was gonna suffer one way or the other, he was basically asking for it. He barely had any facial hair, just like a little thin scruff on his chin, not a thick glorious beard like mine. It was better to lose his jersey than to have to eat the rubber flying off my rear tire. And better for the environment. He should have thanked me. I took a honey shot right in front of his face and then rode away. People just need to know where they belong, and I don’t mind helping them figure out where it is. Thats basically how I tour, too. KOMs all the way out and back. Man I love KOMs.
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Knight Of Movement, I believe, indicating a record time on a Strava segment or really good performance in a stage race.
Or perhaps
Kangaroo Oaring Muddily
Koala Oozing Marzipan
Kippers On Muesli
Kissed On Mustache
Kicker Of Mushrooms
Killing Overmany Manatees
Or perhaps
Kangaroo Oaring Muddily
Koala Oozing Marzipan
Kippers On Muesli
Kissed On Mustache
Kicker Of Mushrooms
Killing Overmany Manatees
12-18-18, 12:33 PM
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I gotta do some honey shots.
Edit: some Fred told me if I shave my legs with honey they’ll be more aero for longer. Is that true? Not that I’d ever have to. Shave my legs. Asking for a friend.