A gentle note to BF members
#101
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Hi guys (and gals too),
I must say that even though I've been a member for some time, I have't posted much. BUT I've felt compelled to comment here. I have had nothing but good feedback and great experiences here, even through PMs. This is contrast to some other forums ( hifi audio stuff) of which I am a member. On those forums there are lots of what I call "audio snobs". Having never gone anywhere but the C&V forums here, I can only say that almost every topic and every post I've read tries to offer the OP good solid advice.
Regarding what others might consider taboos, doing a "tribute" is not the end of the world, as long as it is a tongue-in-cheek tribute (was there a "7-11 tribute bike" here?) or is stated as a reproduction. No harm, no foul. Say you have the exact same frame as a famous race bike. You upgrade the parts to what the original equipment that the original famous bike would have, and perhaps do an as original "halo" paint job, decals, etc. This represents a significant investment. Would I do this? No, but I understand the appeal.
Now regarding faking a bike as something it is in no way related to what it is or being made to appear to be to be a rare or expensive bike. This is what everyone should convince someone from doing. Say good parts on a cheap frame. This is what I call fraudeulent if the goal is to cheat someone. As far as updating a bike with reasonable newer parts is no problem to me. Bicycles that ate ridden wear out parts.
I must say that even though I've been a member for some time, I have't posted much. BUT I've felt compelled to comment here. I have had nothing but good feedback and great experiences here, even through PMs. This is contrast to some other forums ( hifi audio stuff) of which I am a member. On those forums there are lots of what I call "audio snobs". Having never gone anywhere but the C&V forums here, I can only say that almost every topic and every post I've read tries to offer the OP good solid advice.
Regarding what others might consider taboos, doing a "tribute" is not the end of the world, as long as it is a tongue-in-cheek tribute (was there a "7-11 tribute bike" here?) or is stated as a reproduction. No harm, no foul. Say you have the exact same frame as a famous race bike. You upgrade the parts to what the original equipment that the original famous bike would have, and perhaps do an as original "halo" paint job, decals, etc. This represents a significant investment. Would I do this? No, but I understand the appeal.
Now regarding faking a bike as something it is in no way related to what it is or being made to appear to be to be a rare or expensive bike. This is what everyone should convince someone from doing. Say good parts on a cheap frame. This is what I call fraudeulent if the goal is to cheat someone. As far as updating a bike with reasonable newer parts is no problem to me. Bicycles that ate ridden wear out parts.
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You should at least mispell the name....
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Well, there are some announcements here in C&V. There are google calendars for this stuff, and digital social media are becoming good for spreading the word. Facebook is now telling me about events I might want to attend. There's one in PA I think I won't do, but there's one in upstate New York I'm considering. It's more of a race, and there won't be old bikes there except for mine, but that's OK.
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I think this is the most friendly forum Ive known, I dont remenber any unpleasant answer for my stupid questions or about my horrible english.
yes.
good then 'shut up and ride'. that is what we used to say on a motorcycle forum....and what we like about C and V, my stuff is not high end, but high enuf and better than most out there who care less about bikes.
thanks all. the enthusiasm for this old stuff just keeps us going.
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I hate to be old and cranky, but I was here on the day this forum was founded. Thankfully, it's never been a nasty place or really even much less than really, really kindly. I am sure there's been the occasional snark, but for the internet, this place is remarkable.
I once posted a bike of mine on another forum and immediately started getting @#$% about my set up. Er... I'm six two with a six-eight wingspan. It's likely some of my setups are going to strike people as just plain wrong, but never here.
I once posted a bike of mine on another forum and immediately started getting @#$% about my set up. Er... I'm six two with a six-eight wingspan. It's likely some of my setups are going to strike people as just plain wrong, but never here.
And I've met you, and a very interesting other guy (Sykerocker). And was invited to the bicycle yard sale, and it was great. Nothing but good.
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Interesting thread. I am new to this forum. I just posted about a vintage Gitane i picked up today. Sure it is gas pipe entry level etc but it is going to be fun to make it rideable and pretty again.I am not in it for the money but for the fun. Lots of great info on this site.
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I’ve only been treated with kindness, and respect since joining the forum, and I’ve asked a number of eye rolling questions, or made otherwise annoying posts. Well there was one instance were a member came off like a total dick. I ignored it, and he later apologized without any prompting lol. Pretty cool.
While my personal experience has been 99.9% positive, I’ve also observed some folks treating a few others not so gently on occasion. Unfortunate sure, but overall this is the without doubt the most respectful, and civilly behaved discussion forum I’ve ever seen online. And the generosity of knowledge, experience, support, and sometimes material here is always amazing to me.
While my personal experience has been 99.9% positive, I’ve also observed some folks treating a few others not so gently on occasion. Unfortunate sure, but overall this is the without doubt the most respectful, and civilly behaved discussion forum I’ve ever seen online. And the generosity of knowledge, experience, support, and sometimes material here is always amazing to me.
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(Obviously, kidding!)
I'm a big fan of platform pedals myself, all of my bikes have them, except for the few that have those silly triangular Shimano 105 dealies with toeclips. And before I discovered they weren't "cool," I had stem shifters on my one and only bike for the longest time, my '72 Lambert that was equipped with all the old crap I took off my bent 1970s Le Tour. I still have those stem shifters and will probably put them on something, someday.
I remember well that rock-solid-gorgeous Peugeot you brought to that ride we did from Issaquah up to Marymoor Park and beyond that one day; hope to see it again.
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Great thread. Luckily, the C&V crowd is one of the best of the many forums I frequent.
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I mostly agree.
My experience so far is that BF is the friendliest bike forum I've visited.
Have you tried LFGSS? Or any other low self esteem hipster forum? Well, stay out of them if you are sensitive.
Oh. One controversial thing. Never take safety lightly on an american forum. The safety officers will go banans.
My experience so far is that BF is the friendliest bike forum I've visited.
Have you tried LFGSS? Or any other low self esteem hipster forum? Well, stay out of them if you are sensitive.
Oh. One controversial thing. Never take safety lightly on an american forum. The safety officers will go banans.
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If I wouldn't have gone downstairs to take pix and post them to prove I wasn't lying, I wouldn't have realized you didn't say I was lying.
On the plus side- there's now current pix demonstrating the winding direction of silver and gold cantilever springs!
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Commence to jigglin’ huh?!?!
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Commence to jigglin’ huh?!?!
"But hey, always love to hear from opinionated amateurs." -says some guy to Mr. Marshall.
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Again, I'm sorry- and still feel really bad about that- I misread your reply to my post and thought you were accusing me of lying.
If I wouldn't have gone downstairs to take pix and post them to prove I wasn't lying, I wouldn't have realized you didn't say I was lying.
On the plus side- there's now current pix demonstrating the winding direction of silver and gold cantilever springs!
If I wouldn't have gone downstairs to take pix and post them to prove I wasn't lying, I wouldn't have realized you didn't say I was lying.
On the plus side- there's now current pix demonstrating the winding direction of silver and gold cantilever springs!
As mentioned, no hard feelings. I was steaming in the moment, but chose not to react. I think that’s key. Too often folks respond hastily, and emotionally on social media. Some pretty brutal confrontations can come to a head. That’s no fun except for the most childish of spectators imo.
When you offered your apology and explanation, I was absolutely thrilled. Not because of any sense of self gain, but because of your display of humility. I think any time we can role model to others in that way, we’re offering the world something it can really use.
Now, I owe an apology. I’m certain that I deleted the thread. I didn’t consider that it technical benefit to future readers. That may have been haste, and shortsighted.
I do remember the photo you snapped of the springs. I thought “that’s the best damn shot of springs I’ve ever seen!”
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I mostly agree.
My experience so far is that BF is the friendliest bike forum I've visited.
Have you tried LFGSS? Or any other low self esteem hipster forum? Well, stay out of them if you are sensitive.
Oh. One controversial thing. Never take safety lightly on an american forum. The safety officers will go banans.
My experience so far is that BF is the friendliest bike forum I've visited.
Have you tried LFGSS? Or any other low self esteem hipster forum? Well, stay out of them if you are sensitive.
Oh. One controversial thing. Never take safety lightly on an american forum. The safety officers will go banans.
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As mentioned, no hard feelings. I was steaming in the moment, but chose not to react. I think that’s key. Too often folks respond hastily, and emotionally on social media. Some pretty brutal confrontations can come to a head. That’s no fun except for the most childish of spectators imo.
When you offered your apology and explanation, I was absolutely thrilled. Not because of any sense of self gain, but because of your display of humility. I think any time we can role model to others in that way, we’re offering the world something it can really use.
Now, I owe an apology. I’m certain that I deleted the thread. I didn’t consider that it technical benefit to future readers. That may have been haste, and shortsighted.
I do remember the photo you snapped of the springs. I thought “that’s the best damn shot of springs I’ve ever seen!”
On the other hand, when some people are wrong and get defensive and accusatory- I don't react well to that. For example: the guy who didn't like that I informed him that Suntour Barcons are not Retrofriction. I was accused of being "not helpful" and "thread crapping." I didn't take that well- but I didn't feel I needed to.
Regarding the canti springs- I'm sure you did the same thing I did- Googled it- found the BMX thread. I KNOW there's a difference- and know that it's related to what direction the spring is wound... I ran into it when overhauling my roller cams years ago- and I've had several sets of Shimano and DiaCompe cantilevers. Since then I've made sure to keep the springs with their respective caliper- I still couldn't tell you which side the gold and silver springs go on by memory...
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Commence to jigglin’ huh?!?!
"But hey, always love to hear from opinionated amateurs." -says some guy to Mr. Marshall.
Commence to jigglin’ huh?!?!
"But hey, always love to hear from opinionated amateurs." -says some guy to Mr. Marshall.
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I am sure there's been the occasional snark, but for the internet, this place is remarkable.
I once posted a bike of mine on another forum and immediately started getting @#$% about my set up. Er... I'm six two with a six-eight wingspan. It's likely some of my setups are going to strike people as just plain wrong, but never here.
I once posted a bike of mine on another forum and immediately started getting @#$% about my set up. Er... I'm six two with a six-eight wingspan. It's likely some of my setups are going to strike people as just plain wrong, but never here.
And agreed that this is a rare site for the internet when it comes to politeness and support.
I admittedly have commented, in a perhaps negative way about a handful of times, on the setup of other poster's bikes. Its been in an attempt to make sure they know the setup is anything but traditional. I could see it being taken negatively, but it isnt meant that way.
if the setup they have is done for something like long arms, limited mobility, etc then great and fine.
if the setup they have done is due to a simple lack of understanding, then it's perhaps helpful to point out the non-traditional part of the setup.
an example is bars that are tilted upwards and brake levers mounted super high up on the bars.
if those things are needed to get the bike to fit, then cool. But those things usually lead to pain(bent wrists for example) so if that can be avoided then all the better.
its a fine line for sure. This forum is better than anywhere else of toeing that fine line.
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I have gotten away from BF the last year or so, not for any particular reason other than I was spending to much time here. This thread has gotten me back into the site. I have dropped all but one Facebook bike site and thinking of dropping it.
I ride what I like,live where there are few riders and even fewer non bike snobs. I’m old, 74, and can’t and won’t try to keep up but I’ll continue to ride as long as I can.
I enjoy meeting other riders and never denigrate their bikes or equipment and expect them to do the same!
I ride what I like,live where there are few riders and even fewer non bike snobs. I’m old, 74, and can’t and won’t try to keep up but I’ll continue to ride as long as I can.
I enjoy meeting other riders and never denigrate their bikes or equipment and expect them to do the same!
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Well said . . . and it needed to be said.
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Many ways to say the same thing
There are many wants to say the same thing.
I guess that all of us amateurs are looking for constructive criticism regarding our projects or goals.
Forums and emails are a pretty cold way to communicate and sometimes a message can come across as harsh even though it wasn't meant that way.
So I'd say that responders should try to make their messages honest and straightforward but not harsh. And the recipient should try to accept the comments in the spirit in which they are offered.
Bike On!
I guess that all of us amateurs are looking for constructive criticism regarding our projects or goals.
Forums and emails are a pretty cold way to communicate and sometimes a message can come across as harsh even though it wasn't meant that way.
So I'd say that responders should try to make their messages honest and straightforward but not harsh. And the recipient should try to accept the comments in the spirit in which they are offered.
Bike On!
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John I think I really hate you.......not sure if it's the cars, bikes or the man cave...........crap......
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yes - me too.
the fine folks on here have in the past allowed me to rail away on topics as diverse as
my divorce
vintage cars
new steel track bike build
comparisons of new carbon bike to my favorite vintage bike
--- oh, and plenty of vintage bike discussion too