Edwardian wood & brass
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Edwardian wood & brass
I've been thinking about this for years, wondering if it's untried, or been done to death.
Just for fun, how about taking a lugged frame and wrapping the tubes (at least the main triangle in veneer right up to the lugs so it appears, sorta, like the wood plugs right into the lugs? This after getting the frame brass-plated. Outfit the bike in as much brass-plated componentry as possible (yeah, I know, prepare for $$$ in plating bills), brown seat and handlebar tape, you get the idea. Sort of an Edwardian Look (do they make bike racks to fit a Mercer Raceabout?) even if the technology of the bike is newer.
I wouldn't do this with a "good bike" maybe pick something up for the purpose. Presuming I didn't go blind X-acto'ing the ends of the veneer to fit right (some degree of fanciness to the lugs a prerequisite), I might like the results; whether to ride or display -- hadn't thought about that.
No idea when I'll get around to it, my self-do kitchen remodel now has a Zager and Evans aspect to it and even the "regular" bikes are neglected. Like everything else, I queue up projects and it might take decades before I commence.
Just for fun, how about taking a lugged frame and wrapping the tubes (at least the main triangle in veneer right up to the lugs so it appears, sorta, like the wood plugs right into the lugs? This after getting the frame brass-plated. Outfit the bike in as much brass-plated componentry as possible (yeah, I know, prepare for $$$ in plating bills), brown seat and handlebar tape, you get the idea. Sort of an Edwardian Look (do they make bike racks to fit a Mercer Raceabout?) even if the technology of the bike is newer.
I wouldn't do this with a "good bike" maybe pick something up for the purpose. Presuming I didn't go blind X-acto'ing the ends of the veneer to fit right (some degree of fanciness to the lugs a prerequisite), I might like the results; whether to ride or display -- hadn't thought about that.
No idea when I'll get around to it, my self-do kitchen remodel now has a Zager and Evans aspect to it and even the "regular" bikes are neglected. Like everything else, I queue up projects and it might take decades before I commence.
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If I wanted to do that, I would look into the period-correct technique of painting metal to look like wood. The guys who were good at that, a hundred years ago, were really good. The basic technique is to paint one solid color, then put a thin coat of a slightly contrasting one over that and smear a wood grain pattern into it. Practice makes perfect!
Copper plating is not that difficult, is it?
Top it all off with hand stitched leather on the handlebars....
Oh, I see you have a Drysdale? Then maybe you'll appreciate this example of hand stitched leather:
Copper plating is not that difficult, is it?
Top it all off with hand stitched leather on the handlebars....
Oh, I see you have a Drysdale? Then maybe you'll appreciate this example of hand stitched leather:
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I thought about this for a while, & even tried drawing out some Victorian/Edwardian (Steampunk, basically) details. After coming up with a bunch of junk which looked tacked-on and tacky, I came to realize that it was a fool's errand. Thing is, a steel frame bicycle is already about 80% in the steampunk pocket as it is: leather, metal, exposed machinery, gears & chains, spokes, chrome, etc. The more ornate English frames are even more so, with a black curly-stay Hetchins being the purest example. For the total steampunk bike, almost nothing outdoes a Raleigh DL1.
No matter what I did, I couldn't improve on that.
Wood-graining might look cool. There are people who do this on old American car dashboards & interior trim, restoring the original finish. Check out Norm Hathaway & Al Link in North Salem, NY.
No matter what I did, I couldn't improve on that.
Wood-graining might look cool. There are people who do this on old American car dashboards & interior trim, restoring the original finish. Check out Norm Hathaway & Al Link in North Salem, NY.
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there used to be a seller on ebay who offered wood-grain print vinyl stickers to cover your whole bike. it looked really silly.
my 2 cents is that lugged bikes were never made of wood, and therefore no matter how well you execute this, it's still going to be obviously fake and weird. like if you made it look as if the bike was made out of stone. plus eventually the vinyl stickers will cut damaged and start peeling.
personally, if you want something that looks retro-Victorian, look into some custom metal finishes like raw steel with gun blue, aged lacquer, brass patina, copper plate, etc. It'll give the same look and wear better as well.
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speaking of steampunk, check out this raw steel fixed gear I built a few years ago:
my 2 cents is that lugged bikes were never made of wood, and therefore no matter how well you execute this, it's still going to be obviously fake and weird. like if you made it look as if the bike was made out of stone. plus eventually the vinyl stickers will cut damaged and start peeling.
personally, if you want something that looks retro-Victorian, look into some custom metal finishes like raw steel with gun blue, aged lacquer, brass patina, copper plate, etc. It'll give the same look and wear better as well.
*edit*
speaking of steampunk, check out this raw steel fixed gear I built a few years ago:
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When care is taken to make sure details are buttoned up, the application of real walnut veneer looks incredible!
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If I wanted to do that, I would look into the period-correct technique of painting metal to look like wood. The guys who were good at that, a hundred years ago, were really good. The basic technique is to paint one solid color, then put a thin coat of a slightly contrasting one over that and smear a wood grain pattern into it. Practice makes perfect!
Copper plating is not that difficult, is it?
Top it all off with hand stitched leather on the handlebars....
Oh, I see you have a Drysdale? Then maybe you'll appreciate this example of hand stitched leather:
Copper plating is not that difficult, is it?
Top it all off with hand stitched leather on the handlebars....
Oh, I see you have a Drysdale? Then maybe you'll appreciate this example of hand stitched leather:
Neat leatherwork on that Drysdale - oh great, another skill to learn?
there used to be a seller on ebay who offered wood-grain print vinyl stickers to cover your whole bike. it looked really silly.
my 2 cents is that lugged bikes were never made of wood, and therefore no matter how well you execute this, it's still going to be obviously fake and weird. like if you made it look as if the bike was made out of stone. plus eventually the vinyl stickers will cut damaged and start peeling.
personally, if you want something that looks retro-Victorian, look into some custom metal finishes like raw steel with gun blue, aged lacquer, brass patina, copper plate, etc. It'll give the same look and wear better as well.
speaking of steampunk, check out this raw steel fixed gear I built a few years ago:
my 2 cents is that lugged bikes were never made of wood, and therefore no matter how well you execute this, it's still going to be obviously fake and weird. like if you made it look as if the bike was made out of stone. plus eventually the vinyl stickers will cut damaged and start peeling.
personally, if you want something that looks retro-Victorian, look into some custom metal finishes like raw steel with gun blue, aged lacquer, brass patina, copper plate, etc. It'll give the same look and wear better as well.
speaking of steampunk, check out this raw steel fixed gear I built a few years ago:
I've heard of "steampunk" but unfamiliar with a specific definition if there is one.
Hmm, nickel plating? Faux marblizing? Alcantara frame wrap?
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check out this raw steel fixed gear I built a few years ago
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I've heard of "steampunk" but unfamiliar with a specific definition if there is one
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real veneer is not that difficult
vacuum bag the stuff on with epoxy.
about the brass plating-why cant flux föow brass over the lugs and then polish them?
vacuum bag the stuff on with epoxy.
about the brass plating-why cant flux föow brass over the lugs and then polish them?
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(B) real brass sounds like a great out-of-the-box idea.. ugh, what's the melting point, couldn't I end up un-lugging the frame?
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Hey Noglider....you wanted to do this to your International didn't you.....where are you now?
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Mike from ANT bikes built this one, copper plated lugs and wood tubes, he brought it by the shop after he finished a number of years back
https://www.bicyclefriends.com/2011/0...-wood.html?m=1
https://www.bicyclefriends.com/2011/0...-wood.html?m=1
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"Zager and Evans aspect"
I'm stealing this. Just heard a medley of their hit yesterday.
Try posting in the Altbike section. Might get more sympathy & understanding. I like the idea, it could turn out real bad or very cool depending on execution.
I'm stealing this. Just heard a medley of their hit yesterday.
Try posting in the Altbike section. Might get more sympathy & understanding. I like the idea, it could turn out real bad or very cool depending on execution.
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I got some contact paper that looks like stone. Ya think I should try that? I still haven't done anything with the frame(set).
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Nah. Edwardians liked their bikes steel, with durable enamel coats and nickle plating. I don't like retro styling, I love old crap. There's a lot of difference between the two.
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I'm going with Italuminium on this, I'm also assuming that you are starting out with a DL-1 (designed 1912, but in production until 1985 by Raleigh, other maufacturers to the present day):
Less brass and more dull nickle plating on the components. I you want to cheap out, oven baked black enamel was the economic choice then as it is now.
Less wood, and more black enamel for the frame, add gold leaf pinstriping at liesure .
Cream tires are best for this, try to remove the logos. Schwalbe and Vredestein make suitable tires for 28 x 1 1/2, 26 x 1 3/8.
https://vintagebicycle.wordpress.com/...turbo-trainer/
Now this is an Edwardian bicycle, with all the features that I've mentioned, excepting the gold pinstriping.
https://vintagebicycle.wordpress.com/...documentation/
This is a bit more recent, from the 30s (although the frame design is from the 1890s), but exemplifies the features mentioned, as well as demonstrating the suitability of the similar DL-1 for this kind of work.
https://sheldonbrown.com/org//hercules.html
On the other hand, what you proposed is more or less what Sheldon Brown did with an old Hercules. In his case, he did it because the paint was non-existant, and had little to lose by covering the frame tubes in wood contact paper.
Less brass and more dull nickle plating on the components. I you want to cheap out, oven baked black enamel was the economic choice then as it is now.
Less wood, and more black enamel for the frame, add gold leaf pinstriping at liesure .
Cream tires are best for this, try to remove the logos. Schwalbe and Vredestein make suitable tires for 28 x 1 1/2, 26 x 1 3/8.
https://vintagebicycle.wordpress.com/...turbo-trainer/
Now this is an Edwardian bicycle, with all the features that I've mentioned, excepting the gold pinstriping.
https://vintagebicycle.wordpress.com/...documentation/
This is a bit more recent, from the 30s (although the frame design is from the 1890s), but exemplifies the features mentioned, as well as demonstrating the suitability of the similar DL-1 for this kind of work.
https://sheldonbrown.com/org//hercules.html
On the other hand, what you proposed is more or less what Sheldon Brown did with an old Hercules. In his case, he did it because the paint was non-existant, and had little to lose by covering the frame tubes in wood contact paper.
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Oh, I'm OK with the lack of "sympathy & understanding". I'd say the topic led to the conclusion that (a) no, it's not common (b) most C&V'ers think it's a bad idea. Might do it anyway... eventually.
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Hey, it's your bike and if it's well finished you might shut up some of the sceptics. The more
cool custom bikes the merrier, and there's no shortage of dl-1's.
cool custom bikes the merrier, and there's no shortage of dl-1's.
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If I wanted to do that, I would look into the period-correct technique of painting metal to look like wood. The guys who were good at that, a hundred years ago, were really good. The basic technique is to paint one solid color, then put a thin coat of a slightly contrasting one over that and smear a wood grain pattern into it. Practice makes perfect!
Copper plating is not that difficult, is it?
Top it all off with hand stitched leather on the handlebars....
Oh, I see you have a Drysdale? Then maybe you'll appreciate this example of hand stitched leather:
Copper plating is not that difficult, is it?
Top it all off with hand stitched leather on the handlebars....
Oh, I see you have a Drysdale? Then maybe you'll appreciate this example of hand stitched leather:
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No, those are not Lauterwasser bars, but rather GB "touring bend" bars. I'm not sure how old they are; at least 45 years I guess. They are hard to find. I sweet talked them away from another forum member, in whose debt I remain.